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0:02 Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, Hello, beautiful and wonderful mixologists out there. It is your girl Moni and you are in the mixed with Money and Emily from Bravo.

0:12 Speaker 2: And Botox also known well also known as Bravo and Botox. But you also might listen to our podcast that I have also been on the Bravo Papers. Emily is here to get into it with us about all.

0:27 Speaker 1: The things that are going on in our favorite housewives right now.

0:31 Speaker 2: Not so much for those that are underperforming, but we have some really big thoughts and feels about the girls that are performing right now. Put Toma in Salt Lake City, fire from all cylinders. And I am so excited to get into it with you because I know we have some thoughts.

0:45 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited and I have many, many, many.

0:50 Speaker 1: Thoughts, many thoughts.

0:51 Speaker 3: The thoughts are abundant, so abundant.

0:54 Speaker 1: Like most of the charges.

0:56 Speaker 2: On Karen's long list, Oh God, what, I don't know where you stand on like the whole Karen Stand them of it all. And I don't know if I'm a Karen Stand but the Grand Dom I do respect and love very much. And I feel like this season our Queen is suffering, and it really is.

1:17 Speaker 3: It's hard, it's very hard, and but she still makes it funny. So you know what I mean. This week's episode, I just like, just like you, I just finished watching it, and the funniest moments for me were Karen and Stacy. Stacy's not trying to be funny, but she just is.

1:37 Speaker 1: She really is.

1:38 Speaker 2: She don't know why, but it is like some some moments in her confessionals.

1:43 Speaker 1: Even I was watching and I was just she was like, is she is that what we're to believe? She was a shipper? Right? That's it. She just makes me laugh.

1:55 Speaker 3: She like landed in Potomac on this show, and it's like she had no idea. It just it feels like she authentically doesn't know the show or didn't watch and she's sitting there and she's like, what the hell did I sign up for?

2:11 Speaker 2: And it's I genuinely think that she, like you know, may have known Ashley from like the hosting Foxy See kind of world because as she's on there a lot, so she just thought of it as like something her friend does, right, Like, yeah, some of her friends who are part of this fast and these are to do that and she's a TV personality.

2:31 Speaker 1: And she's thinking that like QBC personality and her being familiar with the girlies, is you know, a good housewife make And little does she know she's actually hitting it pretty well. Yeah, it's just it's so indirectly she's not, but it's really I.

2:46 Speaker 3: Think that's why it's good though. I think whenever they don't try too hard and they're just authentic and themselves, that's when it's always really good.

2:55 Speaker 1: A little compelling because a little quirky, Oh yeah, a little.

2:58 Speaker 2: Compelling, because what do you mean you're you're in love with the man that you're not intimate with?

3:02 Speaker 1: Like, but when she just said it, I'm just like, nobody really lives like this except for our housewives.

3:09 Speaker 3: So what do you think about him? Like what is your vibe from him? Like do you think he's Yeah, it's kind of giving. Like remember Kenya in her first season when she had that guy that she was dating and you could tell him really that into her, like Walter, Yes, thank you, Walter, I forgot his name. So it's kind of giving that except I don't think Stacy is like paying this guy or anything like that. True, but it's just I don't understand what his motive is.

3:39 Speaker 2: I don't understand what his motive is either, because I actually believe her, Yeah, say, she really thinks that he is a great guy and that he would be a really good get and she loves being married and wants that. He just wants it with someone else and something different, and I think I don't understand why. Like we get the flashback of him saying like, I'm just not going to sleep with you. I'm not going to do it, and I'm like, that response is not really that of someone who's like celibate for a particular reason or for the right person.

4:07 Speaker 2: It's just a little bit more like it's very not the mirror. It's very rude, very aggressive, like I'm just not asleep. But he was like, what is the yeah, unless he's the one, Like what is the catch? That just sounds like you're jerking this lady along.

4:22 Speaker 1: For a time.

4:24 Speaker 3: And when he asked, when she asked him, like, on a scale of one to ten, how much do you want me? And he said, like the letter what did he say? Like the letter J or something I can't remember, And he's like, that's how much. I don't think about it or something like that. I was like, well, even if you were like just like what you said, even if you were a celibate and you were just waiting to commit, you would like it's okay, you would express your desire for that person. So that's what seems weird to me, Like something.

4:51 Speaker 1: Is so crazy, that's so no, it's shady as hell. I don't like him, but I don't get side.

4:57 Speaker 3: Yeah, from the Karen, the Karen.

5:00 Speaker 2: We're all over the place, honey. No, it's okay because this episode was also all over the place. I mean, this latest episode and the episode before it. It's kind of in tandem. They're arriving to North Carolina, Wendy's birthday is happening. It's kind of funny because even I said in the first episode, uh, why.

5:20 Speaker 1: Are they going to North Carolina? And then Wendy pretty much confirmed.

5:24 Speaker 2: But we all thought in this second episode, which was because Karen cannot leave the country apparently, like allegedly. You know, it makes it hard, you know from our you know, Roney days with Luanne, and it's it hard to go places, jaw You're gonna go around the corner, you know, right cross state lines, but we can't cross you know oceans.

5:47 Speaker 3: Yes, and it sucks because Potomac has They've been kind of getting a lot of heat from the audience for not having good trips, like you know right, They've been getting a lot of people being like, why are getting more luxurious trips? And I think people kind of were like, yes, this is going to be the year and now or d ui.

6:08 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they got to Panama this year, and I have a special.

6:14 Speaker 1: I think so. I think so it's coming later, I hope. So.

6:17 Speaker 2: I think they go to Panama this year. I saw that in the trailer and I heard some things. But my own family like lives half of them live in Panama. This is not a hilario ball in the moment. I am not Panamanian.

6:29 Speaker 1: That is not a thing.

6:31 Speaker 2: I just my family has chosen to live there because America before, depending on when you're listening to this, America was on some bs a long time ago apparently, and they some people got out right on time, and here we are again, y'all.

6:48 Speaker 3: Know, And it's tomorrow.

6:52 Speaker 2: Depending on when you're listening to this, either today when you're listening, or it's tomorrow.

6:57 Speaker 3: I don't know, but like, well, I'm up we're up here watching and from Canada. I am rooting. I am, I'm rooting, I'll be watching.

7:06 Speaker 2: It is really wild what's going on, and it is please go vote, and yes, everyone take care of each other and like be kind of one another.

7:16 Speaker 1: Just take that with you into the polls. Just saying.

7:20 Speaker 3: Just like how on Potomac they I don't know what I was my transition was going to be. Sometimes they take care of each other. They often don't, but they should.

7:31 Speaker 1: But they should, they will exactly.

7:33 Speaker 2: And so I think that with you know, all that's going on, it's it's at some point they you know, get too good to go out of the country, I guess, and go to Panama. But until then it does feel like we're limited. But it also feels like we're doing a lot with what we have. It's a little bit reminiscent of when Atlanta went to South Carolina during COVID YEP, and they just got in that big house and we were there for some days and a lot of shit went down.

8:05 Speaker 3: I know, And that was a good one. That was a very good one.

8:08 Speaker 2: And I feel like we are pashing some feelings and saying some things and Potomac, like no there's no Bolo or any you know, naked man popping out in knock off chanel, you know, and swimming thingling around. No, but there is you know, Karen and Jacqueline getting into it, people finding out about all of Karen's charges, you know, and what they they're they're they're playing sex and I love it.

8:34 Speaker 1: Yeah, those are the allegations.

8:36 Speaker 2: I'm like, no, no, no, allogations is more what the public or like the blobs maad be saying. These are what the government has said you need to prove or disprove.

8:46 Speaker 1: In poor it's not just the allege, it is more a charge.

8:52 Speaker 3: Right, And I think like my thing with Karen is that at the beginning of the season, I was like, oh, I think she's handling this poorly because she's trying to like be like you all have to be on my side, and she's you know, setting up the waiter to say she's not drinking and all that stuff, and I was like, Okay, she's she should go maybe down the Shannon wrote of like just apologize, take accountability. However, I would like to amend my opinion after this episode. I think she's gone so far down the denial road that now it's like it's likable.

9:28 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny and entertaining. I actually think that's it is. It's charming and she's winning the audience back. I'm not seeing a lot of.

9:40 Speaker 1: Brand dumb.

9:41 Speaker 2: Like she's soaring, so delusional that when she says, it's like, you know, what's all that I've been through?

9:46 Speaker 1: I think it's important that you know, my friends are also around me on the same.

9:53 Speaker 2: Day, And she just feels that way, and I'm you're not going through anything one that isn't the problem of your own making.

10:00 Speaker 1: And too, you're not. Actually I could have died, and yes you and other people.

10:08 Speaker 3: As well, Yes you could have killed someone. But it's like we're like, just like you said, like we're laughing along with her, and I think she.

10:16 Speaker 1: She just such we know that.

10:19 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it's so serious, don't drink and drive all that, but like it's just she does it with such finesse that I just I can't. You know, I'm not on her side for drinking and driving obviously, However, I'm on her side in like her fight with Jacqueline and all this other stuff and me this episode, really, I'm I'm good. First of all, I'm kind of getting good at me.

10:44 Speaker 2: Yeah, the duo is not doing no not they the Green Eye bandits thing. I feel like they are trying to fill the void of Robin and Giselle being that and one I don't believe in there Kim Street at the very least Green not abandons. You knew they were best friends and something about being on Housewives.

11:05 Speaker 1: We love watching friendships do stuff like as.

11:09 Speaker 2: A unit, like even if they're being mean or messy or patty or whatever. We like to see like you know, Tamra and Vicky. We like to see even Kyle and Teddy, you know, fighting over with potato chips in Paris because they don't want to you know, eat carbs late at night.

11:22 Speaker 1: But they like they're funny, Like we like those dynamics and each other.

11:27 Speaker 3: Yeah, do you think that they like I don't think they like each other.

11:32 Speaker 2: I think they know so many of each other's secrets and they have done so many things that could hurt each other that they just kind of have a you know, a blanket, like a blank check on friendship, and like a blanket agreement of like this is just we are best friends and we will do this together and just accept each other's choices, but like they're in it together, but it doesn't feel like they have an authentic like like a like a like to each other, more like a an.

12:03 Speaker 1: Arrangement, and we know me is good for an arrangement.

12:06 Speaker 3: No, it's definitely an arrangement. And it's sort of like there's also there's this underlying like tension and compaciteness, Like when the first thing that Jacqueline does in her confessional is start talking about how Ink was trying to date her, when like that is such a like I'm sorry, but if that was my best friend's like guy who she was with, No, I would not even if she knew about that, I would not be bringing it up in confessional on camera. Like there's no, there's no like real sisterhood between the two of them.

12:41 Speaker 3: I just don't think that they.

12:43 Speaker 2: I think they to so many of each other's secrets and and that's what bonds them and that way. But like, no, I think that they don't want to blackmail each other essentially, and like I just I don't get a vibe that they really like each other. Like Jacqueline also is like I don't want the girls thinking of me as like me as like puppet or Manyon, and we've had that before, but it's more so like it seems like it's ain insecurity that she's kind of projecting like she doesn't want to be too attached to me, even though she came on the show as me is friend of and she's annoyed that that is how people will take it.

13:19 Speaker 2: But you're also acting like me. You're doing me as dirty work. You're also you know, trying to take shots at Karen or shots at Wendy or shots at whomever, and you know, and that's weird. You're doing the same things as she's doing. So of course we're going to associate.

13:35 Speaker 3: And I think this is kind of like a rebuilding season for Potomac, Like you know, they got rid of Robin, got rid of Candae.

13:42 Speaker 1: I think they're sharing a room again.

13:45 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, there's that too, And I think they're trying to rebuild the cast in the season. But I actually think that going into next season, I think they're on a good trajectory. This season is much better. However, I think next season there needs to be more cuts. I don't want to sound brutal, but I think Jacqueline needs to be out. I think maybe Wendy needs to be out.

14:09 Speaker 1: I could see it. I just don't know.

14:10 Speaker 3: I like her, I just don't know what she's like her to do.

14:13 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't really know what her what she you know, brings. But I also think that if we kept Robin. For as long as we kept Robin, I think we could still keep Wendy if we get rid of Jacqueline, just because it is nice to have someone one on Karen's side, but to to kind of be a little bit more of a voice of reason. Because while they were training, even like at breakfast or something, when Karen is yelling, you know, at Jacqueline because Jacqueline is and then the Mia says something to Jessie because of her.

14:45 Speaker 3: Uh, I like boyfriend.

14:47 Speaker 1: I like her too.

14:48 Speaker 3: I love these I think she's hilarious, fantastic. I like her more than the other new girls.

14:53 Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't, but I think they really did a good job with Stacey, Kerna and and jess See. I think that they cast it very well where we found them, Thank you, very good. But I genuinely think that when she when they were going back and forth, when it was like so, then you can't say like she did the lawyer argument, when then you can't say that it's not defamation when you said the same thing about her.

15:19 Speaker 3: Blood that's true, you can't say that that's.

15:22 Speaker 1: The fame of her character. That's the fame of her character. And someone needs that.

15:27 Speaker 2: These girls got to know that there is a such thing as like all right and wrong sometimes and a lot of it will give you that.

15:32 Speaker 1: A lot will give you that.

15:33 Speaker 3: And then we yeah, and then we can recognize, like there's a logical fallacy happening here, you know, we see the hypocrisy. Do you think, like, what do you think with this whole? Because I'm still very like about this whole, like Mia paternity Gordon storyline, know what to do with this because I.

15:57 Speaker 2: Think, like, oh, to be just as famous as Mia. He wanted to have a career in radio, so at some point he did want some kind of success in this world, and this is just the way that it's turned out.

16:12 Speaker 3: Well, she unfollowed him on Instagram. Did you see that?

16:14 Speaker 1: I think that's great. I think he might have used her during this time.

16:18 Speaker 3: Don't get too excited, though, because then she re followed him.

16:22 Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, because Mia is just trying to get what she wants, but this is not her final landing place.

16:27 Speaker 1: She will get another big dish.

16:29 Speaker 3: That is true. That is true.

16:34 Speaker 1: Well wow, I mean.

16:36 Speaker 3: I can kind of see she doesn't want to be Ashley, but she kind of already is. Though. She was married to a rich guy for a long time and they both walked away with nothing.

16:47 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.

16:48 Speaker 3: That's just just in different They went down different roads, but they both kind of ended up with nothing if you think about it.

16:54 Speaker 2: Yeah, So what do you think about Karen but dialing the girls one? Do you believe that she did it and said something to the effect of.

17:05 Speaker 1: Those girls think I'm with Ray?

17:07 Speaker 3: I believe it. I think I do too. I don't care, Like, I really don't know her and Ray have an arrangement. I think they are just like a marriage of like, I think they're kind of like friends companions. I don't necessarily think they have a romantic thing anymore, but I think, you know, it's sort of like we're not going to get divorced. At this point. Ray's tired. He just wants to like take a nap.

17:32 Speaker 1: I think the energy. I don't think he has energy to do stuff as long as.

17:39 Speaker 3: You know exactly, I don't think he has the energy to, like, you know, keep her satisfied. But I also think that he doesn't want to be embarrassed, so he wants He's like, go out do your thing, but don't embarrass me, right, So that's why she still is like denied till you die when people try to bring things up. But do I think that all that's true? Yes, but I think no one cares. That's the thing Mia and Ashley, they keep trying to bring this up the fandom, we don't care. We know Karen is always out like it's like this has been going on since literally seasonal.

18:16 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and I think blue Eyes so though, yeah, exactly, I think that Karen also holds some responsibility and that she is making this a bigger deal that the ladies know than it is. It's actually not that big of a deal because as you're right, we don't care.

18:34 Speaker 1: We're actually pretty used to that.

18:35 Speaker 2: It's more like something about like that we're really used to housewives doing a lot. Okay, so especially when it comes to men and women and then they're sleeping with right, So like in this case, Karen, if you're with the driver or whomever missed the blue Eyes no one cares. And it's actually okay if you have some kind of arrangement, no one's going to jump down your throat.

18:56 Speaker 1: But it does.

18:57 Speaker 2: I think the girls know that she's insecure about people finding out about that, and that is why they are pushing so hard to get it on camera, to bring it up, to have snart remarks, because that's the way that they know they'll get they like, you know, hit Karen's buttons.

19:12 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, and it's also deflect from my stuff by bringing up Karen stuff.

19:16 Speaker 1: And it's easy to bring up always going to answer.

19:19 Speaker 3: To that, yes, And Karen's always drunk dialing. She's again, she's got like a Shannon thing going on. She's always drunk con Press exactly, So it's easy to bring stuff up. And I so, yeah, I believe the butt dial. Yes, I believe the butt dolls absolutely, but I don't. But I'm like, whatever, it's just another day with Karen.

19:37 Speaker 1: Yeah. And do you believe that these people is she's calling these people and they are We've heard it from more than one person that she is sounded drunk or like she was drinking.

19:49 Speaker 3: Yeah, I listen, I'm not I'm not trying to out anyone and be like you're an alcoholic. You're an alcoholic. Like, I'm not an expert. I'm not you know, a therapist or a doctor, and I don't think people should be throwing that around. However, do I believe she called them while drinking? Yeah? Probably does that equal alcoholism? I don't know. Yeah, I just.

20:11 Speaker 2: Don't know how you need help and go to rehab and that really that really got Stacey's go.

20:15 Speaker 1: She was upset.

20:16 Speaker 2: She was like, yeah, she wait a minute, but this is beyond just like some regular conversation and some gossip about our friends. You're talking about she needs help?

20:25 Speaker 1: Like do I need to be concerned? And I appreciate it that she actually took it straight to Karen and was like the same, just going straight to you. Should I be concerned?

20:35 Speaker 3: Yep?

20:35 Speaker 2: They're telling me I should be concerned and I need you to be straight with me, like you're saying that there is no real case here, and they're showing me many documents from the federal courts of the county and they're like implicating that you've done some really wild things and that you're being like hell accountable for these things. Whether they get this, sister or not there was enough cause and evidence to link you with those offenses when it happened that like, should we be concerned that you should not be drinking because it means the decision making mm hmm.

21:14 Speaker 3: And I think that they like, I think the thing with Karen is like, even if you know she has a problem, it's the same as on OC Like yelling it in the person's face or trying to out them is just it's not gonna help their addiction. It's not going to help them in any way. And I agree with you. I think Stacy seemed like genuinely concerned. I think she was also a little shocked that oh, yeah, that these girls are gonna go down this road. But I mean this is her kind of initiation. Yeah, they will go, they'll go anywhere.

21:46 Speaker 1: Yeah, they will be you're in there.

21:48 Speaker 2: The court reporters exactly, if someone's in a courtroom on their cast, they're bringing it up to the cows come home. They will bring cards about it, they will write rats about it, they'll put it on cookie do whatever they gotta do to bring attention to.

22:02 Speaker 1: The fact that you have done this thing, you are in this court or doing whatever. Okay, So I I totally see.

22:10 Speaker 2: That, and you know, put this episode a little bit of a filler was pushing ourselves along.

22:16 Speaker 3: You know, I was gonna say I felt the same way. It was like the moment, Yeah, but there was a lot of filler, like there was like, yeah, there was a lot of like slower conversation, a lot watching them sit around on the couch and their phones like there was you know, it was a bit what last week's was much better.

22:34 Speaker 1: Yeah, last week was much better.

22:36 Speaker 2: So probably the third episode where they're still there the last.

22:39 Speaker 1: Night, that'll probably be you know, a lot.

22:41 Speaker 2: Better love a good bomb show to start and then kind of told out and so that one, you know, Potoma was really nice.

22:49 Speaker 1: It's going well, it was. I think it is episode.

22:53 Speaker 3: I think like I think it was. You know, not every episode this season is going to be like an amazing They're not in like the sweets bought like Salt Lake City is right now. But I would argue that Salt Lake City has had its seasons where it had up and down episodes too, and it's time to like recover from the sort of like rebuilding of the cast. Yeah, I think that, and I think they're right there.

23:19 Speaker 2: It's like a fifth date, Like, you know, you want some consistency to know it's still good, but you don't need it to be like lightning and things every time, or we got work in the morning.

23:29 Speaker 3: Oh my god, I go to take your word for it. I haven't dated. It's in like twenty years.

23:34 Speaker 2: No, No, I haven't either, but well not in twenty years, maybe twenty years ago.

23:39 Speaker 1: I don't think I was dating yet.

23:40 Speaker 3: Well, let me see, last last time I dated was Yeah, I was seventeen years ago. It was probably the last time I dated.

23:47 Speaker 1: For you. Not what happens I've been say regular people.

23:52 Speaker 3: Have, like, yeah, I've been with the city.

23:54 Speaker 1: Worried about people because we watched so much Housewives.

23:58 Speaker 3: I know, I just me everyone's switching partners every like five years, right, and.

24:04 Speaker 2: Everybody's getting divorced. I think everyone's is getting divorced.

24:13 Speaker 3: Yeah that was shocking.

24:14 Speaker 1: A yeah, that was shocking and a little out of left field. And also we didn't care. Why did you make a whole about this?

24:22 Speaker 3: I was gonna ask you, like, was there I'm pretty plugged in with the Bravo news, Like, was there any rumors out there? I didn't hear anything.

24:31 Speaker 1: No, she was just dealing with her health stuff.

24:35 Speaker 2: Someone thought that the blind item recently that came out a few months ago, was it probably about this like the southern California.

24:43 Speaker 3: Even that it didn't really add much info.

24:45 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it was like okay, so what and what so what?

24:50 Speaker 3: Unless something is gonna come out and she's getting ahead of it, now.

24:55 Speaker 1: That's possible.

24:56 Speaker 2: I think that that security company a over there.

25:04 Speaker 1: I just think that they need I've heard stuff careful.

25:07 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I've been hearing stuff ever since we there was a very popular rapper that died of a home invasion at in Airbnb or in a property that was owned and secured by no so ever since oh no, And then remember dear had.

25:30 Speaker 3: With the they came out they.

25:32 Speaker 1: Weren't it wasn't hooked up yet?

25:35 Speaker 3: Well, and didn't they also say? I thought they said later it wasn't Edwin's system. But maybe you're right it wasn't hooked up yet, which is different.

25:42 Speaker 2: Well, I think tiles was that they were like, we had just gotten the security oh yes, because Edwin had done it and it was so good. But they had just gotten a security system and it wasn't hooked up yet. But I do believe like something I don't remember what it is. That car have to go back and rewatch that season. It's been a while. And for why that, I associated her security, hers and a security system when there's robbery too.

26:10 Speaker 3: But well, because because there was people did a lot of people were like, oh my god, it was Edwin's company did it? And then they came out and made a statement. I think it was Teddy and she was like, no, Edwin's company, I guess is gonna was gonna install a new one, but hadn't done it yet, so it was another company or something like that.

26:32 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, but it's looking at yeah, the ladies and the Beverly Hills ladies, like we'll do to keep there, to maintain their status is actually wild. Why I'm not talking about OC right now because Tamra is just so goddamn infuriating. It's hard for me to talk about it without just sounding like a parrot of myself constantly saying Tamra is in the wrong, Tamra is a bad friend, Tamar is trying to manipulate the plot, is right, saying Tamra is bad right now, And there's.

27:09 Speaker 3: Not much life, Yeah, there's not much to add that's what everyone on Twitter, everyone on Reddit, everywhere. So there's really like we all agree, so there's you don't. The only person who disagrees is like Tamara and Teddy.

27:22 Speaker 1: Which the day I give up about Teddy's opinion exactly.

27:26 Speaker 3: No one cares about Ty's opinion.

27:27 Speaker 1: Nobody cares about Teddy's opinion.

27:29 Speaker 2: I saw that they were talking about housewives on their show, and I looked at it and said, now, I don't know what I thought they talked about, but I fordamn sure did not think they were talking about housewives, because who cares about their opinions of housewives?

27:45 Speaker 3: And no, I could not.

27:47 Speaker 2: Think of one thing I cared about less. I actually don't want housewives to go back and Rewatch, that's weird. Don't do that with me.

27:54 Speaker 3: Yeah, it is weird. But apparently people like they do have a fan base, like they're they're very popular.

28:00 Speaker 1: I am not, I am, I'm not knocking it even.

28:03 Speaker 2: I'm just saying I could never bring myself to listen to Tamra speak in my spare time, and I have no meaning about anything Teddy has ever said.

28:10 Speaker 3: Well, she doesn't do the the OC episodes. It's Erica Jane and Teddy, but Erica Jane basically takes on Teddy or Tamra's Like I just saw a clip on Twitter and it's Erica being like basically sticking up for Tamra.

28:28 Speaker 1: Wow.

28:29 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like they have.

28:31 Speaker 2: Jane is probably the third out of those two on my list of people I don't want to hear it speak mm hmm.

28:37 Speaker 1: Agree about anything, especially means nothing to nothing.

28:42 Speaker 2: It is probably very misconstrued anyway, Like I don't understand, but you know, people love it and some people even hate listen, and I get that, So do what you gotta do. Tell me a mass hny because I don't have time, but I'm glad y'all have.

28:55 Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I don't listen to your commute.

28:57 Speaker 3: You know, if there's ever anything juicy like a clip, it ends up on Twitter anyways, so I always find it there, so I don't have to listen.

29:05 Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know what, I don't have any problems with right now.

29:10 Speaker 1: It is so damn good. I don't even know what to do. Salt Lake City is fresh like snow. I love it beautiful.

29:19 Speaker 2: I can never make me hate Lisa Barlow off the top. But also, damn man, what a hard. It's been so good, so good. What's really catching your eye right now?

29:30 Speaker 1: Is it the storylines? Is it the drama? Is it the outfits?

29:34 Speaker 3: What's catching my attention right now is actually an after show thing, which is the whole Bronwyn Lisa Barlow hating each other on the after show. So I'm not sure if if you were all the listeners watched the after show. But this week there was actually a clip that came out on the Salt Lake City after Show where Lisa Barlow claims that Gwen's grandparents thought that Bronwynn had a miscarriage, and Lisa bar Yeah, and Lisa Barlow says, well, the last that they told me that the last they heard that there was no baby because there was a miscarriage.

30:18 Speaker 3: So this clip was on the BravoTV dot com after show and it floated around for like a couple hours. I'm giving you some news, right, and then it got taken down and replaced with something else. Now, Bronwyn says, I do think that that was very hurtful to Gwen, and I do think the grandparents are trying to cover for the fact that they acted like assholes and didn't acknowledge that that got her. So now they're like, oh, well, we thought there was a miscarriage, Like I don't believe that at all. You can tell too when Lisa says it, like it almost kind of looks like she was put up to saying it, like she sort of like like when she says it, she's like they thought there was a miscare Like she kind of says it really.

31:02 Speaker 2: Because why, that's never something that like I would talk about randomly, and especially about somebody else death exactly camera, Like that doesn't seem like even for all, it's a big difference from talking about somebody's like necklaces being from Ali.

31:16 Speaker 3: Express exactly, Like this is a big deal.

31:19 Speaker 1: You don't just say that about that exactly. Like I remember how we all felt when Shaw the Sunset was airing and said to MJ, like, you know that thing, I don't even want to repeat it, but that thing about I know what you mean, you know, you know.

31:32 Speaker 2: Things that she had done, choices that she made that she's allowed to make in her body got willing right now, Oh my god, and she and it was so gross, like everyone has such a deseral reaction to that, like.

31:46 Speaker 1: Why And I think why on camera.

31:50 Speaker 3: And I think that's why they I think Braun went because bron Win saw it and she was tweeting or she put out like a tweet or something to say like her daughter was like that people sent it to her daughter and that Gwen. I don't know wh scent it, but they were really hurt. Obviously Gwen was really hurt. So I think she probably was like, you guys have to take this clip down, which they did so fine. But I don't, like, I don't understand why Lisa would speak on that. I don't understand why Bravo would put that out like I don't I just think that was a bad move all around.

32:24 Speaker 3: But Bronwyn was defending herself because like a content creator was kind of like shading her about it, like saying like, oh, do we believe bronwynn Maybe the grandparents didn't know, and then Bronwyn was getting mad.

32:40 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I was good mad too.

32:41 Speaker 2: That's pretty awful, especially considering as we've seen this season so far, a good portion of, you know, the beef between Bronwyn and Lisa and their contention.

32:52 Speaker 1: Has been her talking about her daughter like you saw that.

32:56 Speaker 2: Her husband was like, basically, don't let me be around these people. They're hanging on by a thread, and I don't like them talking about when period point blank. I don't like it. And we see in upcoming episodes that they might be asked to leave a trip. I can't even imagine a world where Lisa Barlowe is getting kicked out of a trip on TIV.

33:19 Speaker 1: It's gonna be wild.

33:21 Speaker 2: But I also understand so for them to go through this during the season when they were filming, and then to know that what you're saying now that yeah, that there's so much more recent and they're still having this conversation. They're still talking, she's still talking about it.

33:39 Speaker 1: I don't know that. It feels really really icky. I don't like this plan of relevant.

33:43 Speaker 3: I don't like it either because.

33:44 Speaker 1: It's like, you don't need to do it. You're so iconic, you don't need to do.

33:48 Speaker 3: No, she doesn't need to because she's so like she's such a character just like her real social character, she really doesn't need to. But you know what, I was just thinking about what you said because you were like, what's what's standing out to you? I thought of that because it just happened. But what's actually my favorite thing? This season. I don't know if you're gonna like this too. I love the taking down of Heather Gay. I just love it. Yeah, of course I can't stand Heather Gay.

34:15 Speaker 1: I don't want that off the show too.

34:17 Speaker 2: Yes, but I'm not right her too fast.

34:21 Speaker 3: The pompous attitude. She thinks, she thinks she's the queen of the show and she's not. She thinks she should be the boss and in charge. I don't like the way that she's not liking Bronwyn for like feels like no reason. And I love that Mary Cosby's calling her out. I love that bron is calling her out. I'm just I am loving it.

34:43 Speaker 1: I just also and I think that Brown is like such a class act. The fact she needs inviting people to her home.

34:49 Speaker 2: She's like hosting to have conversation, to kind of like have a moment. And I think that's really cute. She's a really socialite, right. It's giving very New York. But I think that it's so interesting that like Heather spent so many seasons trying to take Lisa Barlow down and now she is so upf and but she tried to take her down because Lisa didn't approve of her in season one, right, and from her their past history and schools and things, and now that Lisa is a little bit humbled and a little bit more open, Heather is like ready to take it all in, yeah, and ready to get going and be like all team Lisa to the detriment of almost any other relationship that she has.

35:32 Speaker 2: And I'm not saying I don't like loyalty. It's just like she actually has a history of being so blindly loyal that it almost makes it seem like she's doing that so that when it inevitably comes out that the person was doing the thing that they weren't supposed to be doing, she can fall back on I was just being a good friend. I didn't know I was being a good friend.

35:54 Speaker 1: Now you were.

35:55 Speaker 2: Ignoring signs and you're saying you're being loyal, but it's like you want to be able to say.

36:00 Speaker 1: It's like Vicky with Brooks.

36:02 Speaker 2: I used to feel the same way about Vicky with Brooks, and she was just like, I was just being a good partner. And so when it all flipped on its head, then she was like I was stammed and all the things and I didn't know and I ah, and they were like we all told you, we all said this, he was doing these things like what I was just being a good partner. I was just believing him. And you can't fall back when you're ignorance, being like I was just being blissful ignorance, and so I missed all these signs.

36:32 Speaker 2: So you can't be mad at me. But like Heather, you hated this woman. Well, there's so many seasons, and I.

36:39 Speaker 3: Think Angie clocked it, which is that Heather wants a seat at the cool table. Yeah girls. And I think she didn't really want to take Lisa Barlow down. I think she wanted to be Lisa Barlow's like partner in crime. And now I think after last season and the whole Monica take down, I think Heather thought, Okay, I've secured my seat. I'm the new like Regina, George, Me and Lisa and Meredith and Whitney. We've got our group of OG's and now when the new girls come on, we're gonna haze them and they're gonna have to like prove themselves to us.

37:15 Speaker 3: But that's not happening because Whitney and Angie are not falling in line. So there's that and Bronwyn came in. She's got lots of money, she's got lots of fashion. Mary loves her, so that kind of threw her. So this Heather's planet just didn't go how she wants and now she's spiraling.

37:34 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, honestly, bron when her fashion is a wild outlandish. I know, I have dogs and they don't poop in my house.

37:41 Speaker 1: I just what is up?

37:45 Speaker 3: I'm not a dog owner, Like I had a dog with like a family dog when I was growing up, and I was a kid, so I wasn't responsible. But most of my friends who are dog owners, that is not happening.

37:58 Speaker 1: That's what walks here for back?

38:00 Speaker 3: What's happening?

38:01 Speaker 1: Let their dogs out in the back.

38:03 Speaker 2: My parents do that, Like they just let their dogs out and like they have a fence and then you like hire somebody or play somebody to come and scoop the poop.

38:14 Speaker 3: Well, I think Lauren's gonna learn from watching.

38:17 Speaker 1: TV my house, What does your house smell like?

38:21 Speaker 3: Well, that's what I'm saying.

38:23 Speaker 1: It's crazy. How are you not bothered by that? Well?

38:26 Speaker 3: She also has enough money all.

38:29 Speaker 2: My design of things. Where are your people? What is going on with that house?

38:34 Speaker 1: Though?

38:34 Speaker 2: How often are we in this house that I'm like, I just now noticed there's like a lot of things.

38:39 Speaker 1: On the floor and not on the walls.

38:44 Speaker 3: I guess because she would maybe she didn't move in as long ago as she's trying to make it like. Maybe it was kind of like Jessel moving to the York.

38:53 Speaker 1: You know, we have a lot of ship on the floor.

38:55 Speaker 3: She's got a lot to go.

38:56 Speaker 1: But then you kind of like that's settled, right.

39:01 Speaker 3: Maybe she also I could see that maybe her and her husband might have like another house somewhere else, and then maybe yeah, and they're just settling not that they don't really live there, but they're just settling in. But they don't want to make it out like we just got here, you know, because then if you say you just got here, you get kind of like eating alive. So maybe that's why I don't know, I'm just making all this up. I literally have no idea.

39:24 Speaker 1: I have no idea, just like it just perplexed me. I couldn't get past it.

39:28 Speaker 3: I agree, But yeah, I like I said, I might have been high, but I.

39:32 Speaker 1: Also couldn't take my eyes off of the wall.

39:34 Speaker 3: I was just crazy. But it's also because.

39:40 Speaker 2: Crazy, Yeah, it's like so vibrant that it's hard to not it's hard not to see it, like it's hard to miss.

39:49 Speaker 3: But maybe that's on purpose. Do you think it's purposefully like since I have such vibrant furniture and art, I keep the walls more blank.

39:58 Speaker 2: Well, the thing was like it didn't seem like she does keep the walls planking because all the portraits and things were just on the floor. The opportunity to hang them up again, they're still like wrapped and plastic, Like what's happening?

40:11 Speaker 3: Well, maybe that goes along with the dogs. Yeah, she's not there as much, so there's not like the regular cleaner in people because something's not adding easy. Something is just weird.

40:23 Speaker 2: No, I think they just got this house as well as well houses and like if they're going to have the film crew and their home, it's going to be that one, you know what I mean, not how they actually lay their heads and feel like, you know.

40:37 Speaker 3: She's not the first Salt Lake City housewife who is like renting a different house. Like, let's look, Meredith is in a different house every damn season.

40:46 Speaker 1: Jan started that way.

40:48 Speaker 3: Well, and where is Meredith She's barely on the season. What do you think about that she's talking to me. She hasn't been around like last season she made such an impact because.

40:59 Speaker 2: Yeah, she's been very know this season, even with stations that include her or know her, which is weird.

41:06 Speaker 3: Like, is she gonna get Like I guess she's going to get more involved because we saw that clip. Did you see the clip for like the mid season trailer where Seth is like holds up the phone and is like, we have proof beach or whatever.

41:19 Speaker 2: He says, Oh, I'm so ready, I said something like that gets a little bit more involved.

41:24 Speaker 3: Well, I hope so too.

41:25 Speaker 1: I don't quite.

41:27 Speaker 2: Feel the vibes from her, but I don't want her to wappen, but I don't want her to leave. I think she's serious in like a weird, hilarious way, like opposite Mary as well, I kind of like the of each other, and they're going to get it actually doing a thing this year. Yeah, he's doing well, she's getting along early rate, she's having friendship, she's having fashion.

41:53 Speaker 3: You just know that that Bravo paycheck was big. Oh yeah, yeah, like they that Bravo paycheck is good enough that they they sat down and they were like, listen, we're gonna give you this, but we need you to actually show up to work and like do it and you need to defend you enjoy it.

42:11 Speaker 1: And there's probably enough money that she can leave her grandcast.

42:16 Speaker 3: Right, And I think she was like, okay, I'll play. Yeah, yeah, because he's not around, we don't which I think she likes separating.

42:27 Speaker 1: And I think that.

42:28 Speaker 3: That makes are they officially, I don't know.

42:30 Speaker 2: If it's official, but I think that he he's elsewhere. Okay, I will probably made that up, but else.

42:38 Speaker 3: No, I think you're right. I really I think because he's nowhere to be seen, and I think that's a good thing. And to be honest, I remember Mary on another season saying how like she likes it when he's gone. Like I think she's probably like, yeah, like I'm good, leave me alone. And she's just there with her son, right and his quote unquote wife according to the the Chiron thing that said wife and.

43:05 Speaker 2: Quotation concerned about him to the end that situation. The situation I'm very Cuntmary, I understand. I can really feel like she just wants to make sure her son's okay, but she's like afraid to hold on too tight or he'll like slip away, but also like how do you not intervene with something like this?

43:30 Speaker 3: It's very hard because there's really like you know, I speak from experience, like there's really nothing you can do if you have a loved one who's an addict. There is like people think, like I know, there's people out there like, oh, tough love, you got to kick him out, you got to do this, you got to do that. You literally you can do all of that and nothing's going to change. Like it's people will not get the help until they want to get the help. And like newer thinking about addiction does say that, like you should provide love and a safe space so that they don't you know, you can put them on the street if you want.

44:11 Speaker 3: They're still going to be a drug addict. They're just more likely to die. That's actually the truth. They're more likely to overdose, not get help, not get to the emergency room, you know, and.

44:21 Speaker 2: It's ask for help, not feel that sense of conscious concern also, like that subconscious of how their actions are, what.

44:28 Speaker 1: They're doing and the fear that they'll have.

44:30 Speaker 2: Will affect the person that would see them versus if they're on the streets alone, that that doesn't necessarily happen.

44:38 Speaker 3: Yes, And that doesn't mean that Mary can't like have boundaries.

44:41 Speaker 1: Like yeah, and I think she doesn't mean she can't.

44:44 Speaker 3: Have rules and boundaries, but at the end of the day, like she also.

44:47 Speaker 1: Just want some home.

44:49 Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's so easy to say when you're when you're an outsider looking in and like it's not your loved one whose life is on the line, right, Like it's so I really really just emphathize, empathize, and I just feel so much for her. Like those scenes are hard to watch, but I think it's really important that we're seeing, like what the daily life is like when like someone is just out of your control and there's nothing you can do but just kind of watch and hope that they will get help.

45:21 Speaker 2: Yeah, truly, it's really sad because it is it's not necessarily something. I mean, he's already seen some legal issues with drug possession.

45:29 Speaker 3: And he did go to rehab, did he not?

45:31 Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe he did go to rehab.

45:33 Speaker 3: Yeah, it doesn't mean he's clean, but at least.

45:35 Speaker 1: No, I mean it takes a few tries.

45:37 Speaker 3: Yeah, it takes it takes a few tries.

45:39 Speaker 2: Right, but he's gotten the ball rollings. She's really a good you know, she's a good mom who cares very deeply about her son, and that makes me like crazy. One thing I don't like is when any of the women go after the way that people parent, like is heaven see from taking that to Lisa, yes, because that would have hurt my feelings, even from her to be like, I would have rather you told Angie that's a fucked up thing to say. Then come and tell me that she doesn't think I'm a good mom or that I'm not a good mom.

46:11 Speaker 1: Like that's that's really wild. I don't think.

46:15 Speaker 2: I think she's doing the best she can, Like it's all moms are, and I don't like when they do that.

46:21 Speaker 1: I believe when moms.

46:23 Speaker 2: When she said that, I got cringed because I'm a third grade teacher and I don't love the idea of kids.

46:30 Speaker 1: Being on things all the time.

46:32 Speaker 2: But sometimes there are moments where like it's just all you can do for like the simple chaos to stop right, to have a moment to get your mind in order to get them to calm down, to like just do something.

46:48 Speaker 1: It's a resource.

46:49 Speaker 2: It gets them that makes them happy, and sometimes that's all you can ask for.

46:54 Speaker 1: And I can't imagine needing to like run life in home and be a.

46:58 Speaker 2: Mom and then like also have to like entertain a child. I'm telling you, I can't do it. For eight hours of debt. I have a hard time.

47:07 Speaker 1: The children are very hard to please.

47:09 Speaker 3: Right, And we don't even know, like we don't really know how much he's on a screen. It's none of our business business, so what right? And that's Lisa's thing to deal with her godmother.

47:22 Speaker 1: She's trying to do a lot because I also I am hearing her say that she just wants him to have happiness because he's really sad. He misses his brother.

47:32 Speaker 3: Well that's the other thing. He doesn't have someone to like play and interact with as much.

47:36 Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, that's why he's on his iPad or something.

47:39 Speaker 2: He is missing his friend and his partner in current in his house, and he's like the stories that she was sharing about her son, you know, you know, and what's happening with his friendships at school?

47:52 Speaker 3: Oh, I know, that was so sad.

47:54 Speaker 1: It's really sad.

47:55 Speaker 2: And I can understand parents who are just trying to, you know, support one son and wanting what he wants to do and support their other son and how it's affecting him, and you know, and it's affecting him pretty pretty bad.

48:08 Speaker 1: Yeah, So I and I think that all that matters is.

48:11 Speaker 2: That her son feels the safety and emotions to be able to feel, and.

48:15 Speaker 1: That she's providing that. Gives a shit if it's on an iPad or not, like, I don't care. And I bet you that is what makes her a good mom. Yeah.

48:24 Speaker 3: And I bet you that Lisa mentioned it to Angie like in a moment of passing, like, oh, now that Henry's gone, wait with the older one is Jack or Henry?

48:34 Speaker 1: The older one is Jack?

48:35 Speaker 3: The older one's Jack.

48:36 Speaker 1: Okay.

48:36 Speaker 3: She probably said now that Jack is gone, Henry's playing on his video games so much more. It was probably like a passing comment like that, and then Angie was mad at her. So she just latched onto something right like we don't really know, like because how would Angie know. Angie doesn't like it the home either.

48:54 Speaker 2: But it's like the wild the thing that that's something you would latch onto, and that's what she was saying. There's a lot to say about Lisa Barlowe.

49:00 Speaker 1: My god, there is so much, so much to say before I even get to the point of her being a bad mother, like at all.

49:08 Speaker 3: No, what did you think.

49:11 Speaker 2: About the husband's meeting up and their differences, which one we don't get to see positively all the time. So I love it. We took yeah, very nice. The women could take a note.

49:24 Speaker 1: We really want them to, but they could take a note.

49:27 Speaker 3: They come.

49:28 Speaker 2: They It was very sweet that we go from you know, throwing Vita tequila things down the drain to having you know, old fashions and.

49:42 Speaker 1: Potatoes, mashed potatoes or so the mashed potatoes, smashed potatoes.

49:49 Speaker 3: They made me want that.

49:50 Speaker 1: I would lead you.

49:51 Speaker 2: I don't like smashed potatoes. I've had before, and I'm like, damn, these are good.

49:55 Speaker 3: Yeah they are. Well Listen. The first thing I noticed, the funniest thing, and I think what that fight really gave us, which was a blessing, was watching John Barlow try to parallel park. That was probably the best part of the whole episode they did. That's so bad to him that they product. I was like, production is such assholes for doing this. But that being said, it was hilarious. But I'm a little torn on this situation because in one sense. I'm like, Okay, Lisa, why did you have to walk up to Justin and engage him and be like your wife's a liar or whatever.

50:33 Speaker 3: Lisa was saying, like just leave him out of it. But then on the other side, Justin could have just been like and just ignored her and you know, kept it moving season he does. Did you see his little mischievous smile in his confession. I think he loves it. He loves it. He's like he wants to be in the way woman's business. He's you know, I think he loves it. He's so that's why I'm kind of like, I think there was I think everyone was sort of wrong in this in the sense of like John maybe overreacted like the second time.

51:14 Speaker 3: Justin should have just ignored it the first time. So I think they both kind of owe each other in apology. But then I also think that Justin, like the whole like pouring the vita tequila.

51:24 Speaker 1: Out like that was kind of so dramatic.

51:26 Speaker 3: That's like a bit much like can we like he wants to be on the show, he like you him dumping that out that would get that would get edited into the episode, like he knew that.

51:39 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, because I'm not going to get Yeah, what's.

51:42 Speaker 2: Not going to get you know them longevity on this show is her doing a she Ba Chay and taking things off of you know, wholesale websites from the countries and passing it off as something worth more than four dollars and twenty eight cents.

51:58 Speaker 3: Well, and Whitney wants us to care so much about like who leaked her jewelry line gossip, no one cares or not. Whitney always does this though, like you exploited my vagina, Like she does. She tries to make like something into like this big conspiracy that she thinks the whole audience is going to be into, and it never works. She's just not good at it.

52:23 Speaker 1: It does, it's not good at it. And because Heather is such a Heather goes off of being such a loyal friend, but she's always like Wishy washed it with Whitney and we're in right now.

52:36 Speaker 3: I think Heather's the one who leaked it. If I'm gonna be honest, I think Heather's you know, Heather's the one that found that jewelry picture, probably sent it to a couple accounts from her burner.

52:50 Speaker 2: Lisa also probably just say something in past because that will do exactly. Doesn't even know who she's talking to. She's not one of those women who like Ramona. She doesn't even know she's famous. She be talking yes in.

53:01 Speaker 3: This cast, and they love doing this. This cast loves the social media, like let us like dig stuff up like they're all their whole show is based on it, and they've done a great job with it. Don't get me wrong, I'm.

53:13 Speaker 1: Not receipts exactly all over the world.

53:17 Speaker 3: No one does it better than them. I'm gonna be honest. They really.

53:22 Speaker 1: Stride.

53:23 Speaker 2: I mean, ladies, I'm having a really nice time. Yeah, like cylinders, I have no notes same.

53:33 Speaker 3: I'm even coming around on Brittany.

53:36 Speaker 1: Listen.

53:37 Speaker 2: I'm confused by her, but I'll continue to listen.

53:43 Speaker 3: Like I don't like it, I don't love her, but like ever since she did that heart hands thing, I was like, she's kind of camp, you know what I mean, Like she's a little camp.

53:54 Speaker 2: Kind she kind of I think that she reminded me of and I want to say brand but that's also too easy. But like she reminds me of like oh god, no, she reminds me of like this woman.

54:12 Speaker 1: Who really believes in love and just doesn't know quite how she is supposed to know what it feels like. And she's one of the people who's like, so, have you everseelt it before? I think so, but they say that you'll know when you have it'.

54:28 Speaker 3: Like it's giving she's a little errantp like she's.

54:31 Speaker 2: A little bit not here, and like, how many different ways is this man to tell you he does not want to be with you?

54:36 Speaker 1: It's very clear. I can't imagine that this is the first time if he's saying it on camera, so like concisely, and you're crying, like, but I love you still, and then I don't understand, and he's like, Okay, you should go hang out with.

54:48 Speaker 2: Him, baby, baby girl, Okay, just take that and go ahead, and we should never have this conversation again. You should never see that man again. Each old you go take the hype with that other man.

55:04 Speaker 3: I know he's a weirdo. I don't care.

55:12 Speaker 1: That this beautiful woman will do well back and forth for him.

55:17 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that makes him he's a dick.

55:19 Speaker 1: It was so weird. What's wrong with the men over there? I don't know.

55:23 Speaker 3: And they don't seem to like do they not have that many to choose from? Like, I don't know what it does. It's like Orange County. It feels like there's five people.

55:32 Speaker 2: Yeah, guys, there's really only like five people. Literally apparently is the only one that's currently available, and so he's the new slate of the group. Oh man, oh my goodness, this was so much problem.

55:54 Speaker 1: Oh my god.

55:54 Speaker 2: I remember doing your show and being like, you know, it was a good time. Oh and it was absolutely my time over at the Bravo Papers. Please tell everyone where they can find you, where they can listen to you and get involved in all the things you got going on.

56:10 Speaker 1: Yo. She does a mean Twitter round up or like me round up. You should thank you. Well, I don't tag people. That's very rude.

56:18 Speaker 3: Well, you can tag people as long as they're not the Bravo celebrities. Yes, that's what I mean, because I get blocked all the time. I'm still blocked by like Ashley Darby basically the whole cast of Summer House. Anyways, you can find my podcast anywhere that you get your podcast, the Bravo Papers and on Instagram, Twitter, I'm at Bravo and Botox and please come take a listen. And you know, I'm hoping that Manny will come back on my podcast again as a guest. And we had a great time. So you can go back and listen to that episode.

56:58 Speaker 3: Come and follow me with all the things.

57:01 Speaker 2: Yes, go and follow her Bravo and boat hooks and the Bravo papers and get into it like we had.

57:07 Speaker 1: A nice time.

57:07 Speaker 2: You see how we like to die, dive deep. Let's figure it out and be like, notice the weird things and go now how does that play a part? Oh my god, I'm such a little actor. It's very clear that study delivered and we.

57:19 Speaker 3: Go in like natural directions, like everything connects to the next thing. We don't even have to force it, which I love.

57:27 Speaker 1: Don't even have to force it.

57:28 Speaker 3: And you know, to sound like blow, but we love that.

57:32 Speaker 1: Yeah, we love that.

57:33 Speaker 2: Okay, on this I do I want to a distance, Like, my god, you can never make me hate her.

57:40 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm so sorry.

57:42 Speaker 3: You don't have to apologize.

57:44 Speaker 1: We are like Lisa and I'm over here giving a Karen a hard time. But also you can never make me hate her either.

57:50 Speaker 3: No, I will never hate Karen.

57:51 Speaker 2: Hugar are in the wrong. But when they're in the wrong, but they're so right.

57:58 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like they're so good.

58:00 Speaker 3: I feel the same way about like Shannon. Shannon is a fucking mess, but I just I will just always like Shannon.

58:09 Speaker 1: Yeah, and she's having the season and not everybody else.

58:16 Speaker 3: And I don't always agree with Shannon, but I just I even when I disagree, I just enjoy the chaos that she brings and I just can't help me. It's entertaining.

58:24 Speaker 2: Absolutely. Oh my god, guys, thank you so much for listening. Thank you so much.

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