Gangsta ‘n Alcohol w/ Dana @thebravoinvestigator

0:24 Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, Hello, beautiful and wonderful mixologists out there. It is your girl Moni, and you are mixing with Moni. You're in the mix with Monni. Oh my god, guys, I'm never gonna get used to it. It's my own show, and I'm never gonna get used to having a name change.

0:37 Speaker 2: Apparently.

0:37 Speaker 1: I'm also just like never gonna get used to technology or like having this podcast overall, even though it's been like what you're three four?

0:45 Speaker 2: Who's counting?

0:47 Speaker 1: Because before getting on the show with my guest here that I'll introduce in.

0:52 Speaker 2: A second, Zoom really Zoom really played me.

0:55 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's Zoom's fault, my wife's fault, or my computer's fault, or just the hours that be that don't want me to talk about these ladies, But we figured it out. More on that to come, and I'm so excited to have the Bravo investigator here herself, Dana.

1:10 Speaker 2: Hello, welcome.

1:12 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me, Thank you so much.

1:15 Speaker 2: For being here.

1:16 Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yes, I had such a great time talking to you the last time on your podcast.

1:21 Speaker 2: That was so fun.

1:22 Speaker 1: I love that we got dove deep into New York and we just kind of established instantly that we are each other's kind of person.

1:29 Speaker 2: Like we talk about these shows like we.

1:31 Speaker 1: Are hearing things differently and we're a little bit more than just like the details of like what happened and what the girls were. It's like, why are you saying this to people? What is wrong with you? Are you okay? Like we're just digging a little deeper, asking some shady but like more in depth questions.

1:47 Speaker 2: And I really liked that vibe.

1:50 Speaker 4: And thank god because I just reached out to you to do my podcast, which is called I Take Bravo Very Seriously.

1:55 Speaker 1: Yes the description as well, guys, thank you.

1:59 Speaker 4: So I to you just having a vibe that we were gonna be the same kind of person and we were, but can you imagine we were?

2:06 Speaker 1: Yeah right, Italy, No, seriously even thank god, we actually do take Bravo very seriously.

2:12 Speaker 2: And I really appreciate that about you.

2:14 Speaker 1: I knew instantly you are not all talk do take it seriously, And I'm like, Okay, who better to talk about where we're at and it's iconic season of Housewives than to have Dane on here and really like kind of dissect what it is that we're in right now, this season of overflow, there's some conspiracy that, you know, when there's this many Housewives shows on at one time, it's because all the seasons are like a little bit like, you know, flops.

2:40 Speaker 2: I'm not getting that vibe yet from.

2:44 Speaker 1: Any of the cities yet. New York is like almost there into flop. Lad with me, but like this what else is new? Like that's been the case for a few years, But like, what do you think about where we are now in the center of this like Housewives cornucopia of Like do you think you are you know they're putting them all together for flop seasons or are we just really blessed?

3:05 Speaker 4: I think we're just really blessed. I think, as you mentioned earlier, we're just people that analyze things deeply. I don't think anyone that works at Bravo thinks that hard about it. I think it just randomly happened this way where they gave us this huge drought for a while and then they gave us this overflow. I think it honestly had no purpose. But I think we're blessed, And I think what's cool about it is, you know, it could be overwhelming, but I feel like with four shows on at the same time, we also get the opportunity to decide what we're really into watching.

3:35 Speaker 4: And the same week I had you on my show, I was deciding, okay, am I going to invest in Potomac? Am I going to invest in New York? And I decided to settle on in terms of my podcast talking about OCA and Salt Lake City because that's just the ones I was interested in. And I feel like still fulfilled. I still feel full yeah, you know, yeah watching everything.

3:53 Speaker 1: But I totally understand that, like I too, I have you know, shipped the podcast of just like not just Bravo, not just talking while all the things obligatorily because it got so tiring, especially during that drought and that time where Housewives was not fun at all. That was definitely something that I.

4:12 Speaker 2: Made a conscious decision of.

4:14 Speaker 1: But now I'm just like, I'll watch them all, but I don't feel the pressure to really like pay attention to the ones that are not giving me joy. And OC I'm having a nice time, But I will not talk about Tama Judge any longer. I can't do it. She's an insufferable person to watch, to listen to. I really think that maybe maybe y'all think we needed her last season, but this current season, wash please, I can't. So we're not talking about OC today. I'm not talking about New York because I don't want y'all skipping to the end of this.

4:45 Speaker 1: I want you to actually listen. So we're gonna get the meat and potatoes going, and we're gonna talk about Potomac and Salt Lake City. So I think that's like a much nicer place these days. How are those treating you right now?

5:03 Speaker 3: I'm good.

5:03 Speaker 4: I mean, like Potomac had that weird little dip and we're so we're so weird as a fandom, Like Potomac was like one of my all time favorites, and then when it got bad, I was fine to just be like I'll never watch this again.

5:15 Speaker 3: Same with New York, right.

5:16 Speaker 4: It just goes away to us or New Jersey even that's like it just may go away and we never see it again and we just sort of forget. But I feel like Potomac has come back.

5:25 Speaker 3: Like I'm really o yessed with.

5:27 Speaker 4: Giselle, like being on her own as just one green eyed bandit, and she's she's fine, like she's doing well, like.

5:34 Speaker 1: She had no man, no sidekick, no nothing, just just hell being chizy, Like, yeah, it absolutely was.

5:43 Speaker 2: It's quite an interesting.

5:46 Speaker 1: Change. But you know, my girls in Potomac, they're never down for too long, you know what I'm saying. Like maybe one or two seasons we took a little break, we all fell off a little bit. But this season they have come back and they have come back strong. There is a lot there, a lot happening. Like starting you can definitely start with Potomac. I it's wild that we started this episode. I mean, for the last couple of episodes, we really are so centered around this GNA event, which we don't really know what GNA is.

6:18 Speaker 1: It's an athleisure brand, it's a brain tumor cancer awareness foundation, it is a lifestyle brand. It's an Instagram account, it's a lot of things. It's vibes, you know, it's just vibes of Giselle and Ashley. It's Gisella and Ashley vibes. Right, I do have.

6:36 Speaker 4: One detail about it you didn't mention. I do believe the ath leisure where soaks up kouchie sweat. That's like the highlight, right.

6:45 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, like that exactly. Of course, how can we ever different it does. It does it changes the game from any other lifestyle brand clothe here.

6:56 Speaker 2: That we've had on Bravo.

6:59 Speaker 1: We're not all what it is what it does, but we know there was an event and it was a real event, and we know the shady Miss Karen, who I said on your podcast, I think is gonna have her first villain era this season. And it looks like correct because Miss Karen really took the swipe the rug from under Jaseel with this invitation in a group chat to an awards dinner for an award that is, she couldn't even tell people what it was, how she won, or how she was nominated, or what she's getting it for. And she sent it the day of or before Giselle's event that everyone already ares VP too.

7:42 Speaker 1: That is some stone cold bitchery.

7:47 Speaker 4: I don't know why she's giving up the very few friends that are standing beside her, because you know, Giselle was there with her in that first episode being like I'm here whatever you need. And you know Karen is not giving anything in a season in terms of her legal stuff. I'm very disappointed about that. It's giving great Erica Jane, Like we're on updil for legal reasons, yeah, you know, and I just I am disappointed we're just not getting that material. But then she's also very hard about it because she's like, oh, well, you know, go read about it somewhere.

8:19 Speaker 1: So we did it on the Montgomery County Circuit Corps website.

8:24 Speaker 4: So if she's gonna go against Gazelle and she's gonna do all these things, she's going to have no one. She's going to be on an island alone, like you said, she's yeah, going to be in her villain and that's not what she's.

8:35 Speaker 1: Trying to Like. Also, so discourse between the other ladies and Giselle, she thinks that it means that, you know, in order for you to be on team Karen, you have to be like resoundingly teen Karen, nobody else and you need to be a ride or die. But like, it's interesting to me because no one's saying the hard truth to this lady of this is your fault, This is a mess own making. You are going through something, Sally. She said that what she is going through, like that phrase four times this last episode, what you're going through is something of your own making, right, Like you don't need anything or need support.

9:13 Speaker 1: You don't. Gizelle didn't need to offer you anything. You need water into call an uber like.

9:18 Speaker 2: That's it, and it's not.

9:21 Speaker 4: I mean, it's hard not to compare it to the Shannon Bador situation, who, in comparison, is taking more accountability and a lot more, you know, And so it's this is very different. I don't know if this was on the show or this is in the news currently, so forgive me and tell me if you remember. But isn't she fighting some of these churches right now?

9:39 Speaker 1: Yeah, right now?

9:40 Speaker 3: Or is it on the show?

9:40 Speaker 1: I can't it both? Okay, like some it's ongoing. This was filmed earlier this year, so that would make sense. And you know, these kinds of things don't go away overnight. It's it's not a small deal, like a dui. But also she said to Ashley when they were having their like I'm skipping ahead, but when they had their final like, let's figure out what went wrong at Stacy's house, she said, I could have died. I could have. Really, I'm like, yes, you could have, so could someone else. And actually the only person saying that, she goes, yes, or you could have killed someone?

10:18 Speaker 1: Like but do you say you could have died as if someone came to you driving, you know what I mean, Like I was in an accident and someone was drunk driver. I can't believe I got out with my life. No, baby, someone's saying that about.

10:30 Speaker 4: You, right, And the other part that pisses me off, And I think it was sort of more at the end of the last episode where she's like, who's gonna stand behind me, who's gonna be like one hundred percent team Karen?

10:40 Speaker 3: But you're also giving.

10:40 Speaker 4: Us no information, right, like he at, what are you telling you about?

10:45 Speaker 2: What about what that you did it or didn't do it?

10:48 Speaker 1: What are you saying? And you're right, she doesn't she's not answering the question. She keeps telling everybody like don't ask, don't tell. But also when Stacy said, we just don't know all the facts, so wait until we see all the facts, which, by the way, she's.

11:00 Speaker 2: A reporter, she's a news host or whatever, so it.

11:03 Speaker 1: Makes sense that she'd want to wait for the facts of an old story. But that even got Karen on her ship list. She's even saying like I don't want to hear hearsay, Well, when we hear the facts and Karen was like, I can't believe she said that we don't need to know any facts. But then she tells the other girlies to read about it in the paper. But the paper was saying that you had a duy and you did not call the uber.

11:27 Speaker 4: So I have some questions, especially at a rest haner.

11:33 Speaker 2: In the city. So how did you get here?

11:37 Speaker 1: Who drove? If Beyonce has a driver, so can I You should have had You should have had this thought last year, right, remember Blue Eyes never really took it with that one.

11:48 Speaker 3: Could they not have got a new one?

11:50 Speaker 4: You could have got brown Eyes?

11:51 Speaker 3: Yeah, right, get her another guy?

11:54 Speaker 1: What do you think about Giselle? Like we started the episode which because of the GNA event, we ended the last episode and started this episode with Gizelle kicking these girls out of her party after they got to Karen's house after it came from Karen's event three minutes later than when Ashley told them to be at Gizelle's event. Granted, Gizelle did say.

12:19 Speaker 4: Three minutes later.

12:22 Speaker 1: And for them to come only three minutes after the time that Ashley said, and Ashley kind of told them to do that as one of the hosts and Gizelle to kick them out before they even crossed the threshold.

12:34 Speaker 2: Honey.

12:34 Speaker 1: The elevated doors opened and they were like, this is nice, and she was like, security, what do you think?

12:41 Speaker 2: What's that rude?

12:42 Speaker 1: I think it's misdirected, honestly, which I think Giselle in the moment was so hurt and confronted by them coming late. She was hurt by that, and she couldn't acknowledge the person who actually hurt her.

12:55 Speaker 2: What did you think? Do you think she was in an apology that it was rude?

12:58 Speaker 1: Where are you at?

13:00 Speaker 3: I mean, it was obviously a power move.

13:01 Speaker 4: And I forget who said it, because was Wendy one of those three?

13:05 Speaker 1: No, Wendy's late at Karen's event because she said, I haven't seen Karen get the award yet, so I'm gonna stay and watch and get the award.

13:14 Speaker 3: Okay.

13:14 Speaker 4: So one of the ladies that were late, I can't remember who it was, was on a podcast this week and said, I swear we were there by eight, but then we had to get miked up, and then we got to walk up and we're wearing these fancy clothes. I'm sure we had actually physically been there, but it doesn't really work like that production wise, So I'm sure we were there and then it takes time to get us already to physically walk in. So given that, and given Giselle knowing that having been on this show for a long time, I feel like it's unfair.

13:42 Speaker 4: It's also in for to the ladies. I mean, I don't know if she knew the entire context at that time, Like they all sort of wake up to this text to be like, h now do this, and they were.

13:50 Speaker 2: Like, right, but what do we do?

13:52 Speaker 1: I don't fault the new girl's frostil making, no, no, no, yeah, what we know about housewives? And I also want to say, who gives a shit if you had to get miked up and you were there at eight it was eight oh four. Everyone relaxed like they it wasn't a fifty four and we close at nine. They definitely were staying there longer. Everyone calmed down. But like, also, we know I've been to a Potomac house I was filming event before. Like we know that the more people of the cast that are at an event, the more likely one that event is to get screen time, and two that those girls are to get screen time, like the fact that they all ended up coming to the Zel's event meant that they were gonna get screen time, right Gizelle thought it was gonna take away from hers because they had to go to Karen's, which it did for a second.

14:39 Speaker 1: But I can't get mad at these girls, especially new girls, for just doing their job. Their job is to show up, Like that's the whole point. It's to show for both new girls that they've never really known before this year and support them in hopes that being miked up at one means they'll be filmed and seen in both.

14:57 Speaker 3: Like it's funny.

14:58 Speaker 4: It's almost like they're being thrown into the lions den where they're like, who do I form an alliance with? Right? It's almost like I always say this, people make fun of us for watching these shows, but this is like literally watching a competition show where these two women were thrown in a bunch of girls they don't know and they're like Jersey.

15:14 Speaker 1: It's even like Jersey right now, Like you know, it's intense, like Jersey's intense, Like they really will throw you to the wolves and be like pick a pet, like you only get one choice, one chine. But that's where it seems like we're at we how did we get here? It's really that did this, Like, I'm actually more shocked at her. I know Giselle was rude. I do think she owes them an apology. I'm glad she apologized to Mia, but that was kind of like a given, and I appreciate that she even brought the other girls to a luncheon to get to know them better before she apologized.

15:47 Speaker 1: She was like, I don't know if I owe them an apology yet I don't know them, which is not how apologies work, my girl, shaz, but I appreciate that you extended that olive branch to get to know them without Karen, because she was like, I means know that they're not just so up Karen's ass that they would be willing to make an enemy out of me already, because who do they think they're talking to? Right, I don't know what miss Karen's told you, but I'm also not one to disrespect, like y'all gonna treat my like my event is subpar to Karen's event, and she didn't even have an event until the morning.

16:22 Speaker 4: This was about her father too, right, Like this is so messed.

16:26 Speaker 1: Up in a sad, terrible way.

16:29 Speaker 2: Oh please, it's fucked up up.

16:33 Speaker 1: No, it really is so fucked up because and Karen should know that, Like she lost her parents, she knows that grief is tricky. She's not over it. Gizelle lost her I mean, she's trying to weise awareness because people do not know that. We don't talk about brain timbers. We talk about cancer generally, and breast cancer. That's really the ones that we, like, you know, really bring awareness to. But the fact that this man could be diagnosed with something and then die twelve days later means that it's obviously something that should people more people should have awareness to.

17:05 Speaker 1: You don't want anyone else to feel what you've gone through and juste geling that way. And she's trying to do you know, some good behind that, and I think that's important versus going on a campaign tour of good deeds and good benefits to avoid court time and things being in the press, which they're going to be anyway, because you're on a show because you're drunken.

17:25 Speaker 2: You were driving drunk.

17:27 Speaker 4: And as Mia said, she's just out.

17:30 Speaker 1: Yeah, honestly, like even mean that like speaks of Mia I wrote down and hate talking about people like women's looks that being said does not look great. It's just actually giving that Gordon was probably the actual money bags, and when his money grew up, so did most of her access to the quality things. I'll say, and y'all can take that however, you like, if you saw the episode and you saw those confessionals, then you'd be there's a smortgage border things to pick from of what you think.

18:18 Speaker 4: I'm talking about.

18:23 Speaker 2: I mean, like, I'm like, what do y'all think makeup is hiding?

18:28 Speaker 1: Like it's just it was given Kenya a couple of years ago when Kenya was through her situation with Mark and her skin got like really bad.

18:36 Speaker 2: You could tell she was.

18:37 Speaker 1: Stressing, like stressing a lot, and they would take the makeup on.

18:41 Speaker 2: Which actually only accentuates it.

18:45 Speaker 1: Right, but like that were like missing our facials, Like their wigs aren't anything, look a little cheaper meal, Like the extensions are extensioning the right the right way, and something's going on with the boat tip, something's going on with the boatsops. One cheek's moving a little bit more than the other when we smile. Neither of them look subtle, but both look fresh, but also not fresh enough. I like rite cuties.

19:14 Speaker 4: I always wonder, well, what their process is prior to confessionals.

19:18 Speaker 3: Right, Like maybe she was too soon to it.

19:20 Speaker 4: Maybe it was that morning and you're supposed to let it sett off with three to five days.

19:23 Speaker 3: Like, I don't know the process.

19:24 Speaker 1: I've never done confessionals on like a specific day. Yeah, scheduled it for six weeks before.

19:30 Speaker 3: Right, they never planned it right?

19:33 Speaker 4: Think about did you watch The Valley for example, Yeah, so the first two episodes, Britney's got that like like s around her whole head because she thought her facial whatever she had done to her face her turkey neck. Yeah, something that would be resolved by then. But no, film's an entire new show with this thing around her face.

19:54 Speaker 1: Like didn't we learn from Vicky when you get the facelift, like too soon to filming and you're like not fully healed. But then by the reunion they look great. But when the whole season going ooh, like and that's where I feel like we're at with Mia right now. The airbnbs are small, the apartments are small, the cheeks are small, the hair isn't gray like it's a lot happening.

20:18 Speaker 2: Breakups are hard.

20:19 Speaker 4: The worst part is this whole Jeremiah thing. Though I I we're all talking about it. It's so a.

20:26 Speaker 1: Her entire like situation right now. Was actually really cringe the way she pushed Ink on us and Gordon, Like I'm not like standing up for Gordon or anything, y'all got. You know, it's a cold day in hell if I send the four man on this podcast.

20:39 Speaker 2: But like, woof, like a.

20:42 Speaker 1: Lot, it's a lot like since yeah, once you know Ink he's around and you're okay, right, and also you know you think that he's not your kid, not Ink wants Partannity a test when you think about that, because Ink said that he wants one, So I think I'm gonna get one with Ink.

20:57 Speaker 2: Yeah you know, Ink's.

20:58 Speaker 1: Gonna be at the house and we want to be away from you, like we get it.

21:01 Speaker 2: You're in't in a relationship, okay, you know.

21:04 Speaker 3: What it's giving.

21:04 Speaker 4: It's giving Sheena and Rob right, just like this is the guy. This is you, guys, guys, this is the guy. Okay, Okay, this is always the guy. I promise, I swear, even when I was married to somebody else for like a million years and I had other kids, this was always the guy. Okay, okay, guys, Rob, that's.

21:21 Speaker 1: What this is. Yes, Like literally, I mean I want to know how fast can in hook up a TV? Like,

21:27 Speaker 1: because truly, what is the obsession with this man?

21:31 Speaker 2: He's not.

21:31 Speaker 1: It's not like it's that great based off. It's familiar, and I think she's just scared to be.

21:36 Speaker 2: Single right now. Her days of being like the.

21:41 Speaker 1: What do we call it entertainment waitress, her days of being in that field and being able to be a young, spry bait to catch a man like Gordon are over, and she wasted a lot of well she spent I'll say a lot of those is where she could have netted another with the one she caught, which she usually think that's, you know, the right thing to do. It made no it was no surprise to me that when he lost all his money and I saw that on the Shade Room within like a week, also saw that she filed for divorce or they separated.

22:16 Speaker 2: I said, now that makes sense, Like we all know why you were here.

22:20 Speaker 1: He even knew.

22:21 Speaker 4: I've just never heard anyone say that, Like, did you listen to her on Carlos.

22:25 Speaker 3: King It was a couple of years ago.

22:27 Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't even.

22:29 Speaker 4: Okay, So it's part of my job, like as the bro will investigator on Instagram to like post interesting clips. Every single minute of that was Tea. It was just like constant stuff. She was just saying things, and I'm like, wow, Like we know that people will marry someone for money, but I've just never actually heard someone say that before. It just feels very strange.

22:48 Speaker 1: It does feel stree, but I almost.

22:51 Speaker 4: Don't believe you, Like like it was a couple episodes ago where somebody says that's a long arrangement, right, like eleven years seems like a long arrangement, Like, really, you never loved Although.

23:00 Speaker 2: If it's working, it's working.

23:03 Speaker 1: I think that also, Like what we're not used to is someone admitting it, where we're used to always only speculating it, like we knew Erica jan We're used to Erica James of the Bravosphere like trying to really make us believe that they fell in love with Tom because of his like winning personality, his great wit and his love for life and youth, and people like, no, that's not why, that's not why, because he was sending enough money allegedly to make sure you can have a comfortable lifestyle.

23:32 Speaker 2: That's why get stayed.

23:34 Speaker 1: And I honestly, I feel like Mia being a mom right and having grown up in foster care and with you know, in and out with her mom, she probably was like, I'm giving my kids a really good life and I'm not gonna fuck that up, like she was staying it for as long as possible. I don't think we're in a Ashley Darby situation where she was like, he's rich and the fact that he's like not terrible looking and I can kind of like like him, it's like a good thing, and she fell in love with him. I think me he was like I knew why he wanted me, I knew what I wanted from him, and we were both okay with that for a very long time unless the deal the jig is up.

24:12 Speaker 2: Though, if the money is gone, then so am I.

24:15 Speaker 4: Like, I guess it's hard to relate to someone.

24:18 Speaker 1: It's very hard, and it's also very brazen for her to just like admit this, right, we're not used to that, where again we're used to women really trying to drive home the point.

24:29 Speaker 2: For eight seasons that they.

24:31 Speaker 1: Love this man until they also get divorcing because he has no more money, you know what.

24:36 Speaker 4: We are constantly begging these women to.

24:38 Speaker 1: Be real and he is not holding it that honey.

24:43 Speaker 3: I guess she's giving us what we asked for.

24:45 Speaker 2: He sure is, like my goodness.

24:48 Speaker 1: So who is like of the new girlies on Potomac, who do you think is like really a standout? I think that there's no bad cast right now, except for the fact that like Mia is trying to make Jacqueline happen on us, and like it's just not happening at least not in a world of Stacy, Jazzy and Kiernan, Like you know what I mean, Like those girls are showing up and showing out, closing van doors on OG's fingers and hands, iconic, like the fact that they both took a sip of their of their champagne when Ashley walked in to Stacy's house.

25:27 Speaker 1: They were like, oh this bitch I iconic. I'm it's giving and I was nervous because we don't have canvas, but like this right, but yeah.

25:37 Speaker 4: It's like they understand the assignment. And so I guess I would say Stacy.

25:42 Speaker 3: Because I'm intrigued by her. So she has like.

25:44 Speaker 4: A very like interesting sap story, aren't we all? She reminds me of Brittany from Salt Lake City with this best friend quote unquote where they don't.

25:53 Speaker 3: Have a real relationship or whatever it is.

25:55 Speaker 4: But there's something about her that's also very blank, where I can't read her.

25:59 Speaker 3: Almost in an Erica Jane way.

26:00 Speaker 4: So I don't know if it's just she's afraid of the camera or she's very shy, but like she has a lot of story, but I still feel like we need to crack her as a human, you know, like I just, yeah, I can't read her face something.

26:12 Speaker 1: Her niece persona on you know what I mean, Like she's maybe that makes so stoic like plug though, but not readable, like that's always been the case that they're supposed to like not be like what is it like to try like to cook on the view? And then so she's not used to being the personality she's used to like interviewing the personality.

26:32 Speaker 2: But girl, we have things that we want to know about you.

26:36 Speaker 1: This like man not wanting to sleep with you until he gets married and you like think he's worth the weight, but like that doesn't mean you think you're gonna marry him, does it? Like you just got separated. And then also you hope that you're not seventy doing the dude, you would wait that long.

26:59 Speaker 4: I'm to find it odd that this comes up as often as it does with men on these shows, Like why is this a thing we have to keep hearing about? Even though I can't think of another example right now, I feel like I've just heard this storyline before.

27:12 Speaker 3: That's not having sex with you.

27:13 Speaker 4: It's just weird, And I mean, with the whole separation. In all fairness, we don't really know a lot about her relationship. And I hate to give this man any credit, but Schwartz said something once that I thought was really meaningful, where sometimes when you have actually broken up with someone, the relationship has actually been over for such a long period of time. So when you sort of see someone go from one relationship to the next, it's not always as it appears. You may have been checked out for quite some time.

27:40 Speaker 4: Right, So we sort of don't know that aspect of it. We don't know how long they hadn't been sleeping together, for example, or how long they've been sleeping in separate rooms, or what their relationship really entail because we just met her, right, So, there's mad to think about.

27:54 Speaker 1: But I know who this man is. I was really wondering because she said they are really well on the in the area, and I hadn't looked into it yet because I've been, you know, busy, but living here.

28:08 Speaker 2: I am like, oh, I know exactly who that is.

28:10 Speaker 1: And he's.

28:12 Speaker 2: The vice president of sales for Audi.

28:14 Speaker 4: So the German Man you mean her?

28:16 Speaker 1: Yeah, the x husband is the vice president of sales for Audi and Audi's just Virginia, I think.

28:22 Speaker 3: So, like, what do you think about the whole with the house and they told.

28:27 Speaker 2: The kid that's strange. Yeah, I think also like.

28:33 Speaker 1: It's not. People think that hiding things from your child is great as an educator, especially of the age group that her daughter is, Like, that's actually not the case. Kids can actually handle a lot more than you think, and they do better knowing than not knowing, because when they don't know, the unknown is scarier for them. They're a lot more like I don't know the fate of my life. I've never seen anything else, and so when they're not getting answers, they just feel like they're in the dark and it scared of the dark.

29:01 Speaker 1: So when you tell them, like mommy, and daddy are having some you know, conversations right now, and we don't know what that's gonna look like. How would you feel about like engaging them in the conversation also kind of lets you know, like you don't have to change your mind or your opinion, but it lets you know what they'll need help with settling into or understanding hoping with in the future. And then you just put that child in therapy. You let her teachers know that their parents are getting divorced.

29:26 Speaker 1: The teachers take care of the child during the day, and it's okay, you don't need to.

29:31 Speaker 2: I just I.

29:31 Speaker 1: Fear that when they sit her down and say it's all final, it's gonna give her no time to be able to react or process because it's so it's definite, and kids hate that. It's like when it's like the same thing as like when kids come home and the movies and the parents are like, we're moving and they're like what, and they're like, yeah, your whole life is like, as you know, it is over. We're moving to a far away place because your dad got a new job and you have no say, And then they all throw a temper tantrum because no one has involved them in the decision that took weeks and weeks and months like to get there, to give them time to adjust.

30:05 Speaker 1: So I think that it's gonna I hope it doesn't hurt this girl in the long run, but I just fear, especially with her being an only child, she has such a close, probably more mature relationship with you know, both of her parents, that I think she will she might feel slighted by not knowing why this is happening when you could have just given her time and talk to her through the process.

30:25 Speaker 4: Okay, I one hundred percent agree with you, but I want to play Devil's advocate for a second.

30:30 Speaker 1: Please what if?

30:32 Speaker 3: What if?

30:33 Speaker 4: Like obviously, if my parents came to me, which they did recently, which is so hilarious because I am forty years old and my parents at seventy years old just tell me separated and I understand, no, seventy years old?

30:45 Speaker 3: Like seriously, Okay, So.

30:48 Speaker 4: I didn't ask them this question, but you know, the first thing you do is ask questions, right, Like the first thing I Rebella's her name, She's gonna have questions where am I going to live? And Stacy's her whole reasoning is we don't have that worked out yet. So in Stacy's mind, from what she's told us, her reasoning is because we don't have all that stuff ironed out. We don't have living, we don't have school, we don't have all that stuff ironed out. So I'm sort of thinking in the mind of a child, and I'm thinking, you know, my parents are telling me that they're getting divorced.

31:17 Speaker 4: I have a host of questions, right, And if your parents are sort of like, oh, we don't know that one yet, we don't know that, I, as a child, might feel in flux.

31:27 Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it also depends on how they would present it to her. I imagine they wouldn't just say like, well, mommy and daddy haven't figured that out yet. I would imagine it they'd be a little bit more like, have some more attact in that conversation of like, and that's when you start including the child, like that's the thing, and the children't have a lot of questions and it's okay to not have all the answers.

31:47 Speaker 2: Let me tell you, when most kids corrupt me and be.

31:49 Speaker 1: Like miss ma, guess do you know I'm like, no, baby, tell me about it, though, like what is it like? Sometimes they ask meself, I'm like, well, what do you think? And because they have thoughts on it as well, I want to like, well, you know, you would never have to choose, and would you like to stay in the house? Like that might be a thing, like the conversation, it's part of the conversation, and it may be that she likes the arrangement that they have. But telling you that mom is quote unquote working is gonna also make it that no kid wants to be lied to either, like what.

32:19 Speaker 2: Does that mean?

32:20 Speaker 1: And it also gives no time for them to process when you start bringing new people over. So if you've had time to process this separation and started dating someone new or seeing someone new, and your child does not even know that at all, Like you're dating someone and your child doesn't even know that her parents are separating, it just feels like if you're gonna not tell her because you don't have all those things ironed out yet, That's one of those things that would be ironed out, Like that's something I would ask about even as a child.

32:48 Speaker 1: I'd be like, well, am I gonna have a new mommy? Or am I gonna have a new daddy? Like those questions come up along with where am I gonna live? So if you're already seeing people, or he's already seeing people, then you probably should inclue her in because, let me tell you something, third graders talk, they know stuff.

33:05 Speaker 3: That's what I was gonna say. Kids are a lot s murder than we think, and.

33:08 Speaker 4: I know, Oh my god, I don't want to talk about them.

33:10 Speaker 3: See Today.

33:10 Speaker 4: But I don't know if you watched the episode, but it was sort of half about Emily's kids saying something about Heather and Emily saying no, no, no, I would never say anything negative about any of my friends in front of my kids, and the entire fandom is like, that's what you think. They're always listening. Kids are always listening just because you think they're I mean, Arabella is eight years old. I'm sure she's very aware.

33:33 Speaker 1: Of the environment. Eight is not three. No, let me tell you something, and soon speaks three language.

33:39 Speaker 4: I'm sure she can get a sentence right as soon as soon.

33:42 Speaker 1: As kids can start regurgitating what you say, they're saying it. Okay. Again, as someone who works in the classroom, when them kids come into me, they are telling me exactly what they just her mom and dad talk about on the way here, Hey may smirks, guess what my mom like, I've had a kid at five, tell me a couple of years ago when I first started working with kids.

34:03 Speaker 2: He was like, miss Marguess, guess what?

34:06 Speaker 1: And I was like what And he's like, my daddy went on a trip and he's not coming back. I was like, what are you admitting a car? What is And I was like, well where is he? Like you went to New Orleans? Like are you gonna go down there to It's like, no, my mommy's staying here and he's gonna go over there. I said, how do you know that? He said, because he told me goodbye this morning and he said I'm gonna stay there and I was like okay, and then he just went off and went to go play.

34:30 Speaker 2: Like that child is processing it in a different way.

34:33 Speaker 1: I have to check in and make sure that when he cries randomly over like you know, French fries, and it's not because his dad just left this morning. But like your kids are telling your business. You can tell your kids don't tell mommy's business, and please know they're still telling your business the.

34:51 Speaker 4: Second the second they get away from me, trust me.

34:54 Speaker 1: Arabella has told her here at least three times that mommy was staying at home for like she was staying at work. Each this week, she's telling somebody that. So the teachers, and the teachers already think you haven't an affair.

35:08 Speaker 1: Oh my god, oh my god. The teacher's lunge is the best place on earth. The snacks be hitting sometimes, like when you have a good PTA. If you have a good yes, because we have to be a responsible over our own snacks unless they are donated to us like a charity. If you have a good PTA, they put out really good snacks. And then you go in there during like oh, they'll have like a lunch or a sponsored something and you're like ooh, And that's when you catch up and you hear other people's kids saying these things.

35:36 Speaker 1: Or at recess when we're on recess duty, all the teachers, we're talking about what your kids said to us that week, everybody every time, across the country, probably the world, because your kids are talking. So I just want that to be like go on record, housewives and others who listen your children tell on you.

35:59 Speaker 3: Yeah, oh your.

36:00 Speaker 2: Business, and we're grateful for it. I love that for us.

36:05 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna go ahead and take a quick break and move on from Potomac over to the snowy girls of Salt Lake City. Okay, we're back in Salt Lake City. Oh boy, this has been really good, like really good, and we've had left season was pretty good. So it's just even without a giant scandal this season, like a Bravo fan account scamming onto the housewife show that we all watch. Even without that, we have a lot of good stuff. We got Mary and full like glam and costumes. We got Bronwyn, which I really want to get your thoughts on in a second.

36:51 Speaker 1: We have beef between Lisa and pick a person, you know, we have podcast interview was like, I can't believe that brov will still less these people do podcasts, Like I mean, I know it's good for TV, but it feels like like it's such a liability at this point, and then it becomes such a big part of plot every season on so many of these shows that I'm like, I'm surprised that they don't look for something else for some of these women versus like you went on a podcast and talked about me because y'all all go on a podcast and talk about each other.

37:24 Speaker 2: That's the whole point of the podcast.

37:27 Speaker 4: Well, I guess it's become the new form of media, right, so it's more bad instead of us you saying it to us weekly, which still happens. But I guess it's more so it said on a podcast. But this was the most minor thing that's ever been said. So if they had like prevented Whitney from going on this podcast and saying this very minor thing about Lisa, men like it's a.

37:50 Speaker 3: Speck of dust.

37:51 Speaker 1: But I mean, it's no worse than Aaron saying about Brian that there doesn't think that they're I mean she said she doesn't.

38:00 Speaker 2: I'm like, bring, did you hear it?

38:01 Speaker 3: Right?

38:01 Speaker 2: Like she said, I don't think so not?

38:03 Speaker 1: I do think So what if you did? It's nothing burger Like that's the whole thing. So like, yeah, you're right, Like these are small things. But I guess you know, if Tamara can continue to do two teas in a pod, then the girls can go wherever they damn well please, and they're doing.

38:20 Speaker 2: That, what do you think about this whole?

38:22 Speaker 4: Like?

38:23 Speaker 1: And I'm not going to ask you if Whitney gets her joy from Ali Baba because that's irrelevant and also probably true, but it's irrelevant, right. What do you think about Lisa exposing that idea, that concept to people and then being like and also like not letting it even dang across her chest, Like she's like, now I'm leaving it right here. I will not let it be on my body.

38:49 Speaker 4: This whole thing is so confusing, especially like adding in the whole podcaster of it all, because first I thought it was kind of cool that like us are like sort of becoming part of the storyline if you sort of heard the backdrop with this whole thing and it was sort of manipulated by Bravo and it's not. Lisa was like, actually, Dana Wilkie, who was the one who said this, so say words. I don't know, but at the end of the day, I think it was pretty hilarious. How seriously seriously as we take Bravo, how seriously Lisa takes these minor minding things, because at the end she's like calling all of these lawyers and security people and where she's like, I want to take this investigation to the end of the investigation of the the end of the thing, right, know what to call it?

39:36 Speaker 1: Right?

39:37 Speaker 3: It's like very don't sir my name sort of?

39:41 Speaker 1: She is really on She is like, do not call me a liar, Do not say that about me? Like I need to find out when she was born. I need to know her sign like right now.

39:53 Speaker 3: I feel like she's born in nineteen eighty one.

39:54 Speaker 1: December fourteenth. What is that as sage? I think it's a sage.

39:59 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah.

40:01 Speaker 3: They call them so emotional, she's so sensitive.

40:05 Speaker 1: Saget terrorists is what they call them. Shut out to serious out there. Love your emotionally unregulated cells. You're cute, love you like?

40:13 Speaker 4: Can you picture her on oc being screamed up by Tamra being like your house is righted by the FBI? She would be like in a ball on the ground, right, So like, I feel like these trivial things that happen on salt Like. I don't know why she gets so up in arms about it, because the worst thing now that she's now been accused of is telling a blogger that that Whitney gets her stuff from Elie Baba and throwing out a necklace.

40:36 Speaker 3: Is that is that the whole offense?

40:38 Speaker 1: Is that?

40:39 Speaker 4: Right? Yes?

40:39 Speaker 1: I think that's the whole offense, that's the idea of like that is such a shady thing to say, especially for someone like Whitney, who you know is are like resident MLM girly. So for her to be like known as like this the boss Bay would know real business. And then for Lisa to allege you be like the business that you also just started is like not real, a flop, not a real business like your other couple ones that weren't real businesses. I think it's sensitive for Whitney, and she has always wanted a real reason to go after Lisa Barlowe, and she's looking for one every season, and this one, I sing on the cake chef's kiss, like this is it.

41:22 Speaker 1: She's trashing my business. She's calling me cheap, she's saying that I don't do my own designs, and Heather's saying it too, but like you know, no one's yelling at Heather.

41:32 Speaker 2: It's just Lisa.

41:33 Speaker 1: And I think Lisa's whole thing is that like, as a business woman, I would never just talk about someone else's business like and it wasn't true, like I didn't say it. If I said it, I would tell you I said it, like that's really where I feel like she's coming from. So it would be the smallest thing ever. And Lisa's gonna lose her shit every time because she's like, you don't say that I said something that I didn't say, because if I said some shady shit. You know.

42:01 Speaker 4: That's why I feel like I can't take a sight on it, because she's saying she didn't say it, you know what I mean.

42:05 Speaker 1: Right, And I'm like, but I'm okay, she did. Heather is also saying it. She's shadily said in this last episode, if you spent just as well as much time talking about this as you did as the designs.

42:16 Speaker 3: Oh, okay, depends who they want to focus on.

42:20 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean when he is not going to go after her cousin. But I but it's so interesting Heather is the pot star this season because that seems to be bron Win's takeaway as she stirs the pot herself every five minutes. But like, Heather has been the bearer of bad news to quite a few girlies about someone that they didn't know was talking about them, talking about them that they thought they had a good relationship with.

42:46 Speaker 2: So what do you think is Heather the pot star this season.

42:49 Speaker 4: I do think that she is, because even if Angie was being shady about Lisa's parenting set of anger right now, right like, you can tell, like sometimes I say really like nasty stuff out of banger, my sister isn't going and telling that person I said that my sister abusing as an example, because she's my best friend. So you know, you should know someone well enough to know when they're just saying something out of banger just leave it alone. You don't need to like disrupt their entire friendship for it when it's already sort of in this shaky place.

43:16 Speaker 4: At the same time, I also feel like Heather's in a weird place because she came into this season with everyone sort of distrusting her with this whole Black Eye thing. She's in this just weird place with the audience, so she doesn't really know where to go. So she's like clumsily trying to be the Podster and then screwing it up a little and taking it back and stir the wrong way, stir back, stirre the wrong way, and she just sort of doesn't always it doesn't always land, and so she's just trying to find she's trying to like drop little is it Mary who said that, like she's dropping these little flyers and just trying to see where they burn.

43:46 Speaker 2: I do think, yeah, it's kind of like brand over in New York.

43:49 Speaker 1: These amateurs feel like they should Tamra it up right, And the problem is, like with a Tamra who's that kind of a potster who's been on, who's been potstring for so long that people thought that they needed her specific energy to come back to the show because like when she wasn't there, that energy wasn't there. But really we just cast it wrong. But like that whole idea is that like Tamra's been miserable forever, right, it since we met her, since she saw since she was like I'm no longer the hottest housewife, right, So she's always been that way.

44:22 Speaker 1: Whereas I think that Heather and the brims of the world, they're like putting on a persona to.

44:27 Speaker 2: Do this job.

44:28 Speaker 1: And I think Heather is just like she's like you said, she's casting a lot.

44:31 Speaker 2: Of nets and seeing what sticks.

44:33 Speaker 1: So she's telling this person, this person that thing that feels dangerous to me, right.

44:39 Speaker 2: I don't think that's a strategy.

44:41 Speaker 4: It's dangerous because you're never safe in this Bravo universe, right, Like, yes, you're an og, but we've seen many ogs disappear over time. And if you lose the fandom, you lose the fandom. And if you lose the cast, that's the worst thing. If no one films with you, that's where you end up being screwed. So don't become too much of a liar where no one can trust you, because you know, if someone you need to have allies. It all comes back to that this is all a competitions.

45:05 Speaker 1: The Survivorking Housewives is survivor, Like making it to another season is like making it.

45:11 Speaker 2: To like All Stars or something like.

45:12 Speaker 1: It really feels like that it's never given. It's never a given. It feels like there are emerges when someone leaves. It feels like, you know, there are different challenges of like if they get through this dinner in order for you to go home, Like who're holding the food hostage? So you do this challenge, you can't leave until y'all talk this out and they have to like navigate the next steps. Right, But yeah, no, I mean I don't hate Heather this season. I just really wish I would know, like who where her loyalties lie, because it's like where she thinks that she's coming off like airy and not giving a fuck.

45:44 Speaker 1: It does feel like she has vested interest in certain people having certain like TIFFs with other people. It feels that she has a vested interest in that. And also, I'm like, Whitney seems to not be holding you or fire like holding you to the fire for any kind of involvement in this idea that she gets her jewelry allegedly from Ali Baba, but yet so she's having that loyalty to you, but you are talking about her with Lisa, who you know she doesn't like, Like, yeah, it's just like where are we going, Heather?

46:17 Speaker 3: Make it makes sense?

46:18 Speaker 2: Make it make sense.

46:19 Speaker 1: The math is not mathing, like it's not it's not doing what it's supposed to do, but it is giving good story. Yeah, because let me tell you who took that bait. Ron Win, she bit that neat honey. Okay, every time I had he cast a little fire. Bronwin is there to be like, y'all see this fire. Yeah, it's giving Heaven planted it, I think. So let's look around. I bet you will see some beauty lab and laser somewhere.

46:43 Speaker 3: It's so true.

46:45 Speaker 4: But I'm just loving her this season because she just fits so seamlessly. It feels like she was always there Ronin. Yeah, ron Win, She's giving us so much story. She's giving us fights with people, she's giving us loyalty with others, and it's it just feels like she's most giving.

47:01 Speaker 2: Us friendship with Mary. I love that.

47:04 Speaker 1: I thought they clicked and hit it off seamlessly. A great time watching them. They're very funny and I like in which we never thought I could say something like that before.

47:16 Speaker 3: You never know who Mary.

47:18 Speaker 4: Honestly, anyone that Mary aligns with I'm always surprised by, just because I can't picture with anyone if you think about it.

47:24 Speaker 1: Yeah, but a fashionable girley. I can see it because at the very least Mary loves to look the fuck the okay, But I.

47:31 Speaker 3: Want to ask you something.

47:32 Speaker 4: So when they're sitting in the kitchen together in Mary's house, ron Win starts to tell the story about like her baby's father dying and Lisa knowing the baby's father, and Mary seems to cut her off and like tell her story about like her mother and people are online are sort of like, wait, did Mary do that? I'm sort of wondering if that's production just cutting out that story because we got like a whole episode of ron Win's story last episode, or if Mary is just being Mary and actually never asked Brode.

48:01 Speaker 3: What the rest of that story was.

48:03 Speaker 4: Absolutely think it's married, but absolutely wouldn't be out of the question.

48:07 Speaker 2: No, not out of the question at all.

48:09 Speaker 1: Like I I would believe that more than they cut it out, because if there's any extra content I feel like Bravo has of Mary, They're going to use it because it's all just wild, Like there's not a lot of b roll that goes to waste about Mary. We always get a flashback of her somewhere somehow because it's just truly what's going on in a mad house and shot out to the editors for the son and his quote unquote wife walking in, and they put on their quote unquote wife very cringe. Every time Mary speaks to these young children, it's very cringe.

48:40 Speaker 1: I'm very concerned for her. I feel her frustration and fear for her son because we already know that they they had there was a legal situation like with the girlfriend.

48:51 Speaker 2: I guess running away from home or something.

48:54 Speaker 4: I do believe he's in rehab now though, so I think I don't want to say like rust assured, but I think that he is.

49:00 Speaker 1: They're handling help. He's getting some help, and I think that's great. I hope you know that. You know, I wish them all the best with that. I think that there's a lot, there's a lot that has gone on in that house that if those walls could talk.

49:13 Speaker 4: It's ad to watch.

49:14 Speaker 1: It's a weird thing to watch. It's hard to watch he's at home with a wife. I'm just very like my mom would die. Like it's a lot to process there. But I love seeing Mary talking about her life, yes, with her fears, her insecurities, and also like and investing in friendships and hanging out with Yeah, finally, because she would.

49:40 Speaker 2: I tell you, she's never been able.

49:41 Speaker 1: She's never given a fuck about hanging out with us until this season.

49:45 Speaker 2: Y'all know, Okay, can I say something mean please?

49:50 Speaker 3: When she was talking about how Robert Jr.

49:53 Speaker 4: Didn't have grandparents, which is said that he hasn't met her parents in theory, the concept of that is sad for sure. When she's talking about how he didn't have grandparents, and they would have this grandparents stay at school, and he would want to stay home because he didn't have grandparents, And it was like the saddest thing. Lots of people don't have grandparents. It's actually quite blessed to have your grandparents still be alive. Like it's not given to have grandparents. I mean you know what I'm saying, Like, it's not it's not your parents, right, it's not your right, like to not have a dad, and they have like a dad Day or something like that, but do not have your grandparents.

50:26 Speaker 1: Talk to her parents so that you could ask her why how.

50:29 Speaker 4: Could this could be the only kid in class who doesn't right living grandparents, Because even if you have grandparents, also have to go travel to their grandparents.

50:40 Speaker 1: Like, yeah, it's not very common that they come to grandparents Day often.

50:45 Speaker 4: I feel like I remember in elementary school, like a kid being off from school almost every week, like a different kid almost every week because their grandparent had died. Right, So I can't imagine having a grandparents day where kids almost have to be reminded of that on a frequent basis because that's around the time they're parents.

51:01 Speaker 1: Yeah, not to mention I thought we were all gonna say, because I was waiting for Mary to say on grandparents Day he would ask to take Robert Senior.

51:13 Speaker 2: Somebody's grandpappy.

51:16 Speaker 3: Girl make a meme?

51:17 Speaker 1: Yeah for real, Like that's where I like with it, Like Robert Senior would have to step in and take them. I thought she was gonna with a straight face, and I was gonna be like that makes sense, that makes it. Mm hmmm, yeah, Mary's grand husband, but he's got to step in, step up. Oh my god, listen, it's a mess over here. The mixed with MANI and I's like, Dana, I hope you know that you're gonna be back here so many times I'm gonna ask, You're gonna get sick of me. But like it has been a hoot and a holler having this time with you, Like from the moment that we got on the zoom where y'all, I was like five or six minutes late to my own goddamn meeting because we had completely closed.

52:04 Speaker 1: Apparently it got uninstalled on my wife's computer and doctor Maid did not tell me that. So I'm trying to open it and it's like no, it's closed. So it's like okay, sign in. I sign in, it's still not opening. I had to put in the meeting number of the meeting that I started, it's your own meeting. They took my own meeting hostage and told me that I couldn't get in. It was like no access denied. How am I gonna be do not access to my own event? That is some crazy many.

52:37 Speaker 3: It is like mm hmm.

52:39 Speaker 1: So somebody out there must have been like a Whitney fan or something as zoom been trying to get a hold, or a Karen fan, which y'all just Karen Fannies are gonna have to take the l on this one.

52:50 Speaker 2: Okay.

52:50 Speaker 1: It's just the season's gonna be hard. It's gonna be rough. Everybody's fade has one. It'll be okay, Dana, Before I let you go, thoughts real quick on the Beverly Hills trailer.

53:03 Speaker 4: I'm excited to see some tension and some fighting between Jerreete and Kyle.

53:08 Speaker 2: Finally, I'm so excited about it.

53:09 Speaker 3: I heard that.

53:10 Speaker 4: Mauricio filmed a lot, which is bizarre, but I.

53:12 Speaker 2: Hope I saw that coming immediately.

53:15 Speaker 1: I always thought that because one thing that they both love together is the fame.

53:21 Speaker 3: See, I hate to think I hate to believe.

53:23 Speaker 1: That buying Beverly Hills case in point. Right, Mauricio is a realtor. Realtors don't need to be on TV unless they're a million dollar listing, right, And the fact that he can't be on that show because he was on his wife's show, He's gonna milk that for all that he can, especially because the million dollar listing people, most of their agencies aren't even nearly as big as the agency, right, So he's like, he feels like he's slighted. But also they're friends, they love each other. They just can't be married right now because Kyle wants something different.

53:55 Speaker 1: Y'all just just just trust me on this. I think she wants to explore, and I think we should love her. Maybe I'll like her a little bit more in this new era. But also, like I I want to, I'm here for her in Durite having a little beef. It's been a long time coming, especially if you ask the the Reddit internet streets about Deree and rumors that have gone on.

54:21 Speaker 2: I don't believe them, but you've not heard them.

54:24 Speaker 3: No.

54:25 Speaker 1: People have often thought that Deret and Mauricio allegedly like had something going on. I doubt it, but like the fact that both of them are separating right now and then not leaning on each other is I really want to know how that happened. I really want to know how we got to this dynamic because this is the time that they should be bonding and doing like a Sonya Luwain, you know, trip around, crappy late type of thing. We're both single, but none it.

54:49 Speaker 3: Was the text. It was her releasing the text.

54:51 Speaker 1: Yeah, always always, Isn't that so ironic? Like Beverly Hills. It's releasing things. But yet y'all catch Evander pump out because you thought she leaked a story terriode Our online, So any none of us are above it. I just want to remind us of that. So when y'all hell Lisa to a high standard where we can be leaking stories and telling the press or doing that, it's very weird because we never did. That's a Lisa Runna who always told us what was going on in the season, and we're not doing that now.

55:20 Speaker 1: So it's just, you know, it's a little interesting, but I'm here for it. I can't wait for Eric to find out that Tomas hail liable. I want to know if they will talk about it. I doubt it, but I want answers. I really want answers how she feels. Now, keep asking her until this man is sentenced yes, and then ask her again. Yeah, like girl, Hello, the judge said that the earrings had to go. What do you think about that?

55:45 Speaker 4: She does talk a little bit about her divorce or like her marriage and little bits onto teas. Did you see that she does it now?

55:52 Speaker 2: Yeah?

55:53 Speaker 4: With Teddy, So it's worth actually like listening to her on it, just like her opinions on the show. It's worth a listen because she gives little tidbits about things like that, so it's okay, it's worth picking up on.

56:03 Speaker 1: Just okay, listen, y'all advice and listen to an interview if you like. Listen more.

56:12 Speaker 3: Why are we promoting to teas?

56:16 Speaker 1: Both those teas I cannot stay listen to, but I know that they good, really they give good tea. The girls turn me out all the time, and I thank you all all you wonderful mixologists and other investigators out there who bring us the clips and the info when we me can't listen, don't want to listen because I hear that they spill a lot of teas, so I'm not surprised about that.

56:41 Speaker 2: So if y'all can stomach it, go listen, come back and report.

56:44 Speaker 1: I'm into that. Yeah, guys, thanks so much for listening, Dare, thank you so much for being here.

56:50 Speaker 2: This was such a joy.

56:52 Speaker 4: Thank you so much for having me. I really appreciate it, and I hope you'll have me back.

56:56 Speaker 1: Oh my god, please, I'm not already like okay, so when the reunion comes out, I'll add it. So Dana, please plug yourself. Tell people where they can find you, they can listen to you, and where they can also become Bravo Investigators.

57:08 Speaker 2: That's plug guys.

57:10 Speaker 3: Oh gosh, where can you find me?

57:12 Speaker 4: Well, if you don't mind, I would love if you guys would listen to my new podcast, Take Bravo very seriously, and you can follow me on Instagram at the Bravo Investigator.

57:20 Speaker 3: And did I take Bravo very seriously?

57:23 Speaker 2: Awesome?

57:23 Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much for listening, for hanging out, uh, you know, being patient. Lots of life updates and stuff coming soon. It's just too early for me to tell, but just know that I am watching, I am keeping up, and I will be trying my hardest, end damnedest to get more episode and content out to you a lot faster, and you know, thinking about doing a Patreon Love is Blonde after the reunionaires because ill, this whole season has been like a giant slap in my DC bound face. I'm very upset about it, did a very dirty but so naturally you need to talk about it on Patreons.

58:04 Speaker 1: So I'll definitely be doing that, and I'd be loving to know, you know, I'll be getting some questions, some thoughts from other people about what they thought of the season too, some quips.

58:14 Speaker 2: If you had thoughts, Dana.

58:15 Speaker 1: Let me know them when we are no longer recording, so that you know, I can quote them, you know, on this because I know I thought that we're both we were watching this season. Oof. Y'all, take care of yourselves, watch some good TV, like I don't know, rewatch Ozark. That's a fun time, have a nice time. Take care of yourselves and each other. Love you Bye,