Oscars and Potomac Fashion (and reunion talk) w/ stylist Erika Cartledge

0:16 Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, Hello, Hello, beautiful wonderful mixologist. Hi, it is your girl Moni and you are in the mix with Mani again. I'm back because that's what we're doing. We're ramping up production. We're trying to get the bag, We're trying to do what we gotta do. And I could not really just get around how much there was to talk about this past weekend, from the Potomac Reunion to the Oscars happening on the same night, which rest in peace, to the days where like Bravo used to not put a show on an important night of television and now I'm like having compete, go back and forth.

1:01 Speaker 1: We were picking sides. So I talked a lot about the Potomac Reunion with Kendrick. Shout out to that episode, but listen to it. It's great. But I could not look away from the red carpet on the night of the Oscars, So naturally I had to get our favorite stylist, Erica Ceo Erica Cartilage of your Sheik is showing styling agency and beyond like literally like lifestyle you know stylists like it's a lifestyle brand, but it's like Sonia but like real, it's like realize it's it's giving lifestyle. So exactly all you need, all you need, because you're really everything.

1:40 Speaker 1: You have all these cool things going on. So I'm so happy you took a little bit of time out of your busy schedule to talk about these looks with us, because I thought of you immediately watching some of these people in the red car. But I was like, I know, Erica is having a time and a half because as some are fantastic, some are genuinely gagging me.

1:59 Speaker 2: Out, Some people like really really really nailed it, and some people I'm like.

2:04 Speaker 3: Oh what what, what's happening? What do we do?

2:09 Speaker 1: Choices were made and not good some some stilists need to be just because they made it doesn't mean you need to wear it, is where I'm at.

2:18 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good way to put it.

2:21 Speaker 1: Yeahs that like even who makes mistakes?

2:29 Speaker 2: Oh gosh, oh my gosh, Chanelle was it Chanelle val I can't remember.

2:34 Speaker 3: They all make.

2:35 Speaker 1: Mistakes, right, right exactly, That's like the whole they all, they all make mistakes. If your argument is like it is good looking, it was Chanell, you know, Leuyenne is here to tell you that even sell makes mistakes.

2:47 Speaker 2: Now, and there's a difference, right, So some people wore custom, yeah, some people wear off the runway but it's not custom, and then some people chop off the rack and you can tell the difference.

3:02 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, you can tell what people were fitted styled Taylor like who went through the process of looking good for Oscar Night, which I thought would be a lot more people, I guess than looking at you Adam Sandler. First, before we get into our looks best and words, did you think that the Adam Sandler getting kicked out thing for looking like Adam Sandler on any other given day was a bit or like did he just Adam Sandler his way through the ASP?

3:38 Speaker 2: So I thought it was a bit okay, I was like, I don't, only because we have seen Adam Sandler like actually dress up before and I'm like this rodeo yeah, and so I'm like, yeah, he's Adam Sandler ing it.

3:54 Speaker 3: But to me, it still felt like a bit in the show.

3:57 Speaker 2: It felt a little bit like when Jimmy kimmelhosts and he does bits with audience members. So I just assumed it was a bit in a play on like the Adam Sandler like we said just Adam Sandlery. So I didn't mind, but I didn't go back and look for him in the audience anymore. So I don't know if it was a bit and he went and changed and came back, or if they were like.

4:19 Speaker 3: We're just gonna bring you in and then you can go about your business. But I thought it was.

4:25 Speaker 2: I think it's really interesting because one of my gripes with the Red Carpets in general is so much of it.

4:33 Speaker 3: Is pay for play, and so now you.

4:36 Speaker 2: Don't if you look at the Red Carpets, especially the Oscars, and I'd say Oscars and met Gala, but more so Oscars.

4:44 Speaker 3: If you look at the nineties.

4:46 Speaker 2: For example, like the reason we got Celine Dion in a backwards tuxedo, the reason we got Sharer just just sharing, right, the reason we got even like the Gwyneth Paltrow in that pink I think it was Ralph la whe and all that kind of stuff.

5:01 Speaker 3: It wasn't pay to play one.

5:04 Speaker 2: The stars were picking out their own stuff, you know, or they would go to the designers and say will you dress me?

5:10 Speaker 3: So this idea of like a stylist wasn't a thing.

5:14 Speaker 2: And then there wasn't all of this Like, you're tied to this brand. You have to wear this brand, right, You're the face of this brand, so we're paying you to wear our stuff on the red carpet.

5:25 Speaker 3: And so I think you lose some of.

5:28 Speaker 2: The personality of the person if they're not close enough with that design house to have something custom made for them.

5:35 Speaker 1: Got you.

5:36 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's why, And it's why we see the same designers you don't see. You see other designers that you think should be in there getting shut out.

5:46 Speaker 3: Is because it's actually hard to be like you used to.

5:49 Speaker 2: Could be an emerging designer and show up on an Oscar's red cap. But I think about like Michael Costello and Beyonce wore him to the Grammys, right, and that was like a huge deal Rritian Siriano when he was first starting out, Like now everybody wants to go to Christian Siriano.

6:04 Speaker 3: Let us not for yet, Christian Siriano used to have to dress the people that the other design houses when dressed.

6:09 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's also I remember watching so many of his interviews, is that's pretty much the reason why he's even so big and bad now is because he would dress everyone that no one else has to.

6:21 Speaker 3: When no one else dress, they were a different size.

6:24 Speaker 1: Yeah, what's her name, Leslie.

6:28 Speaker 3: Leslie Jones, Yes, Leslie Jones.

6:30 Speaker 1: You know he was doing Gabrielle Citabe. He was doing Danielle from Orange Is.

6:36 Speaker 3: The New Black, Daniel Brooks Ye bok.

6:39 Speaker 1: He would do that because nobody else would, and that made him like the it girl to go Northwest. The manager of that one, Beyonce. Okay, he's dressing miss girl and her mind for red carpets like up a posting project Rundway. We love to see it. I love Christian Siriano he is.

7:03 Speaker 2: I do too, But I think it's really important to remember he really got to start because other places would say, no, we're not going to dress you. We don't have anything that'll fit you. We can't take you. We already have these bigger stars, so you're not it.

7:15 Speaker 1: And that's why he really deserves this level of success. And yes, Graham, because when I saw he was dressing the queen and her mama, I was like, that's crazy. I said, now, this is it. This is it, Christian. You don't surpassed all the other hose girl, this is it, And it wasn't even its first time. It's just that they look good.

7:33 Speaker 3: They looked that good. Oh my god, they were yeah.

7:36 Speaker 1: Like, so let's get into some of these hits and misses. Actually, before we do that, I also want to know your thoughts on this trend of nudity on the red carpet, thinley veiled with various lace and other materials and strategically placed designs.

7:54 Speaker 3: So I firmly believe what you want.

7:59 Speaker 2: I firmly believe that if it makes you feel good, you should show up in it. I think now because like it used to be risque, right, it used to be daring, and now it's literally like showing up in jeans and a T shirt because so many people are doing it, and so I think.

8:20 Speaker 3: There's a place for it.

8:22 Speaker 2: But I don't necessarily feel like people are creative with it.

8:26 Speaker 3: I think they're just trying to go for the like what's.

8:29 Speaker 2: The most shock value the people talking, and so to me, that doesn't actually feel like real fashion, right, because real fashion and real style is showing up like when Little Kim did it at the VMA's that was wild, right, that whole thing, that whole thing was born out of someone being like you could you could go walk with your titties out and the people will love it.

8:51 Speaker 3: And Kim was like, let's try it.

8:53 Speaker 2: And now it's like people don't do that because that's their fashion and that's their style. It's just like I'm trying to have a moment. I'm trying to get the papara to eat, you know, to take my picture. I'm trying to be seen, and so it doesn't actually feel authentic. I feel like if it was authentic, like when Cher showed up at the Oscars and you could see all the goodies, that to me feels authentic to share, right, and so so like I get it and I understand it, but.

9:16 Speaker 3: I'm also like, that doesn't I think most of the people that did it, it wasn't like real for them.

9:21 Speaker 1: Yeah, a moment pate to fashion. Like I'm looking through the list right now and Kindall Jenner, she's in the lace, Kylie's in the lace lace, but not necessarily lace, I mean like the I can see your your your.

9:41 Speaker 3: Skin, Yeah, yeah, like what was Olivia?

9:44 Speaker 2: Was it Olivia a while that came in like the lace thing that looked like a dressing gown. But like with Kendel Jenner's I actually didn't mind her lair and I loved it, and that's.

9:56 Speaker 1: A little bit more fashion. It felt like, Yes, it felt like if we're going to show off skin and things, it's like it felt a lot more like constructed versus Yes, I love Hallie Bailey. That was very see through, and I was just like, I don't know if I get the vision of the dress. It feels like it's a little lost, Like the cup sizes were small, but the ripage was like, I don't even know if it makes sense for her body. Yeah, exactly, And I have no problem what you see in the whole thing if it's made well right well.

10:26 Speaker 1: And I think that's the difference, is like it's got to be made well, it's got to be done right, and I think we, like people don't always get that right, you know, like Julia Fox. To me, I'm like, it's all brand for her because she's always showing up that way.

10:41 Speaker 3: But I'm also like, you.

10:43 Speaker 2: Could change your brand into something else, Like maybe it's time to reinvent yourself. I don't even mean reinvent, but like, what's what's the next evolution of you?

10:51 Speaker 3: Right? So maybe not a brand knew you, but like this was you from five years ago? Are you really that same person? I don't think you are.

10:59 Speaker 1: Yeah, I had questions about that. Who else was Oh, Page Disorbo had a very she was on trend with the translucent lace and fabric. Yeah things. What did you think of her look as a host of the Red Carpet? I'm gonna say thought for how they did as actual hosts, and amen, I didn't.

11:23 Speaker 3: I didn't watch.

11:24 Speaker 1: Page like else, Okay, but I do.

11:30 Speaker 3: Here's the thing.

11:31 Speaker 2: When you're a host, you have to like the on trend and everything. So I mean, I think it was fine.

11:40 Speaker 3: I think, like you said, it was on trend. It was trendy. It wasn't anything like. But I also wasn't like wow, oh my god.

11:50 Speaker 1: Well no, you know, unfortunate because for Page, I really wanted this. I mean, I know, you don't want to upstage maybe people on the Red Carpet, but I really wanted this to be a moment for her because she is resident fashion girly. Like if it's not just that they are gigglers or they host the podcasts or whatever, the thing is that Hannah's the comedian type and right the style girl. Like that's how we met her, So I was.

12:13 Speaker 2: Thinking, right, But I also I also wonder, like I think, and this is where like the inner workings of style and all that stuff gets put in because I'm like, I don't know, I don't remember who she was wearing, who dressed her. But like also if there are other people and other celebrities wearing that particular brand, the designers will be like, you can't wear these things, or here's the list of things you can choose from.

12:38 Speaker 3: So sometimes it isn't even like to your point, it's they don't want the hosts to upstage.

12:46 Speaker 2: The celebrities, right, So if you look overall at celebrities that are hosting red carpets, they're dressed beautifully, but they're never dressed better than the celebrities.

12:56 Speaker 1: Okay, she wore may Paris hm hmm.

13:02 Speaker 3: Yeah no, no, no, I don't yeah, I don't. So I don't know. They could have collaborated, they could have worked together.

13:09 Speaker 1: It's me.

13:10 Speaker 3: It's a beautiful dress. She is a woman, she looks good. I mean, she looks fantastic.

13:18 Speaker 2: I just think, like I think, you can't if you're in my carpet host, so you can't upstage.

13:25 Speaker 1: Yes, and that I understand, so she was on trend. I actually thought that Hannah looked good for the perfect amount of like. It wasn't too prom it wasn't too like. She reminded me of like like a regular host, like of any other yeah ptaging, whereas Page felt like she was trying to give Juliana Ransick circa or thousands who always be like decks in a Marquesa gown and yes, everybody on the red carpet and licked back straight, bone straight in a big flip like it was giving very like. But I also thought, if we were going to do that, let's make a moment out of it, because actually used the thing, Juliana could come to that carpet snatch like she ready she used to go.

14:15 Speaker 2: I think Page probably could have made in a moment if the dress was a different color.

14:20 Speaker 1: Ooh, now, I think that would be great if it was like a believe it or not. As soon as I saw it, I wished it was champagne.

14:26 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think it was different Yep. If it was a different color, I think she would.

14:32 Speaker 1: Have had the moment yeah, or even she would have pulled off an actual color quite well.

14:37 Speaker 2: And actually yeah yeah, because of her dark hair and feet.

14:40 Speaker 3: There's a ton of colors that she's.

14:41 Speaker 1: A she edges in her style, and I would have loved to seem like a little bit like if this was red, for instance, like.

14:48 Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, that came to my mind the first color. Yeah, I was like, she.

14:54 Speaker 2: Could have done that and would have been like, I think that would have given you the moment you looking for.

15:01 Speaker 1: Yes, And that's all I wanted from a host, is like, especially if you're gonna be a podcaster, you know, turned like red carpet correspondent.

15:13 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that.

15:18 Speaker 1: You are not in a regular podcast or not bad for a couple of gigglers. Now, Hannah, I'm talking to you. The reason why I'm not even going to really address you or talk about you in this look other than the fact that you were there, is because you did not do a good job. And I just want you to know that you didn't do a good job. You weren't funny. I didn't find you compelling. Some white people I know even found you racist. So it's not just me.

15:47 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, there's that piece of it. Do you think part of it is because she can't go full out with her brand of comedy on a red carpet.

15:58 Speaker 1: I mean no, because because I need you to have more than that. Even if you're if you're gonna do this job, I need you to have that pick as a comedian to be able to do this job. Because also you do this for a living on your podcast brands and you have deals and yes it's your freedom of speech on your own podcast, but like you have to have more. You're not doing a bit or routine on your podcast. You're hosting, so have a little versatility. I need you to take yourself out of it a little bit. Let me tell you that, because one thing Megan Thestalia needs to not know about you is how you listen to her music to fight that.

16:38 Speaker 1: Okay, I'm not even gonna give it the time that it could be talked about, because I think other people did a very nice job of that. But God in Heaven, I said, oh no, And that's why they not. They don't invite y'all. The podcasters straight up like comedians host whole events and they pull themselves very you know, political and can be. He has done The Daily Show many times that he was on there for years. He also just hosted the Grammys and didn't bring politics into it outside of a funny way and didn't be full Trevor, Like, you have to be able to do that if they're going to be the comedian that gets hired.

17:21 Speaker 1: But then I also think that that means that we need to address the elephant of the room, is that Hannah Burner's not funny.

17:27 Speaker 3: Well, there's that part of it.

17:29 Speaker 1: I mean, I watched it special, I didn't find it funny. I'm happy for her, I'm proud, but as like hot white girls go as comedians, there's at least three other ones on there.

17:39 Speaker 3: I was like, there's a long list ahead of her.

17:41 Speaker 1: Okay, Whitney comments, give it to the girl cassrint Ca Kathy something something with a Kay Taylor Tomlinson going out to her, Like there are other girls who are funny who do her bit, like the straight girl who is like doing the call her daddy, like you know, kind of like bloody open thing, but like I'm married someone pulling it back a little. But I used to be fun and cool, like that's already happening for other girls in oty. And if you can't do both, if you can't like separate that from your comedy, but if you're also not versustile enough to go beyond that, then maybe you shouldn't be the host.

18:21 Speaker 3: Well, I think it.

18:22 Speaker 2: I mean, this is way to the left, but it brings up this larger topic of changing who hosts red carpets.

18:29 Speaker 1: Right.

18:30 Speaker 2: I just read and listened to Andre Leon Talley's book again, and he talks about the moment where he was sidelined as the host the on air personality and hosts for the Met Gala in favor of like YouTube personalities and podcasters and things like that. And it's a different skill set, and I think sometimes we forget being a host and doing all that.

18:56 Speaker 3: And one of my best friends is like a host.

18:58 Speaker 2: She gets hired to do you know, giant conferences and red carpets for you know, certain brands and things like that. It's a totally different skill set to host than to be on a red carpet. And then, I mean, there's a reason Andre Leon Tally was on a red carpet.

19:15 Speaker 3: There's a reason Juliana Oransick was.

19:18 Speaker 2: Like you had Joan Rivers, who was funny, and then but you had Juliana Ransick, you had Braggaraski, you had the fashion people.

19:27 Speaker 3: You have to talk about the fashion right.

19:30 Speaker 2: Ben and all of them, and so Bettie Smith, Yes, And so I think it actually speaks to this larger pivot of what re replacing people into a place where the skill set is different, and we were asking them to have a skill set that they don't actually have. I think it would have been totally different if they were podcasting live right, that would be different, And I bet it would have been more successful.

19:56 Speaker 1: I think so too, I really do, because I I think that they could have done a good job. I think, and I know people are like, well, Hannah is nervous, and I understand that there is absolutely a learning curve for someone who is new, who is you know, coming into this from a different place like shout out to the remounts of Bravo. They've hosted some red carpets in the last couple of years now, you know, being just podcasters and rights and now they're hosting things. So I get that there's that learning curve.

20:24 Speaker 1: But again, you need to have a different or you need to at least be versatile in how you interview and talk to people, because if you it's just interesting to if you're gonna include personal experience, which a lot of people who interview on red Carpets. Typically don't that. They might give a likit, but they might be like loving your album right now it's getting but you focus on the news. You focus on where they are in the news and what they're wearing and what they're there for. But you telling Megan the Stallion that you listen to her music before you it makes you want to fight.

21:01 Speaker 1: It's problematic. That's more than the learning curve of you just being nervous. And if your nerves get in the way, baby, I need you to have some back up things from your comedian days or whatever someone call from. Then your music makes me want to fight people.

21:16 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it's out of pocket.

21:19 Speaker 1: Okay. So if I go to Ksey Musgraves and say your music makes me want to hunk, he tunk through whatever the fuck and spit to back up, what am I gonna What is she gonna do with that? Shout out to Ksey Muskraves. I absolutely love her and she doesn't make me want to do any of that, which is also the point Megan is Doallion's music doesn't make anyone want to fight? Maybe maybe do all the stuff?

21:39 Speaker 3: Doesn't know it makes me want to I listen to that.

21:43 Speaker 2: That's a my like girl, were about to get it playlist like you.

21:48 Speaker 1: About to either get it with your significant other, you about to get it outside with your girls. You about to go turn up in your car, running your errands, popping your ship with your ice coffee, like your home time.

22:00 Speaker 3: Listen having your time.

22:01 Speaker 1: I'm not fighting anyone, well fighting nobody put on Meg. It's because I don't want to fight. It's because I want to enjoy it, because I have.

22:08 Speaker 2: You that time.

22:09 Speaker 3: You just you want to turn off, you want to be outside. That's exactly the outside.

22:12 Speaker 1: Music like fighting music gets me through four ninety five traffic any day of the week, Meg Stallion, I will turn off if that's happening, because you are going to make me happy and the people on the road are not. So I just was like, what music are you listening to? And why would you tell that lady that what is she supposed to do with that? You get what ninety seconds to three minutes.

22:34 Speaker 2: It's the twenty twenty five version of when Juliana Ransack said, like, Patuli is that's just the that's the modern day and we right, I just want to throw that out there, and that was really offensive because her dad is Jamaican, so people had an issue with that.

22:52 Speaker 1: I'll never forget that one, honey, And they never and they meet her up about that for a minute.

22:57 Speaker 3: She go, yeah, yeah, yeah, she was bad for that.

23:01 Speaker 1: Like you was bad. So I'm just like hann a girl. But this is this is we knew that. But that's what I'm saying, is that the problem that we run into. I'm offering people getting new opportunities, like i mean, if somebody want me to come ho host something, absolutely, but that's because you got to have the issue though with that, is that a person's skill set not being in the thing that you're asking them to do, means you can run into some of those thing. No, listen, we have had real journalists get into these same kind of problems.

23:32 Speaker 1: I'm just saying that if you got three minutes max to talk to an interview, to talk to an interviewee, most accomplished interviewers know that you should not even be talking about yourself. What else? Why are you here? Who are you wearing? Right? Let them talk right, Like, let's get into our best and worst. Let's get it the night. We're gonna do our top five best looks first, and then our worst looks, and then we'll see after we've gone through thought about it, you know, talked a little bit of shit.

24:03 Speaker 1: We could see who really takes the crown in both categories. But let's start with Bess. Would you like to go first? Okay?

24:11 Speaker 3: Sure? So my best of the night.

24:15 Speaker 2: And I think this is from being on thrives, from being on Instagram. I feel like this is a controversial pick, but it shouldn't be controversial.

24:23 Speaker 3: I loved Selena Gomez and Ralph Lauren.

24:26 Speaker 2: I loved I thought the dress fit her body perfectly.

24:33 Speaker 3: It was impeccably made.

24:35 Speaker 2: I actually loved that beautiful like blush color on her her skin tone.

24:40 Speaker 3: I loved the old Hollywood glam. I thought the jewelry was just right. She was my favorite.

24:50 Speaker 2: In a very close second was halle Berry because halle Berry and that Christian Siriano mirrored get like, oh I was gagged like looking at that dress. I just was like chid, like, oh my god. So I don't know on any given day, like I could take a nap and wake up and say halle Berry was number one, So like any given day.

25:14 Speaker 3: But I loved that mosaic mirrred gown.

25:19 Speaker 2: I also loved it because mirrors metallic reflection.

25:23 Speaker 3: The bling and the bling, It's like bling is a trend right now, right, it is a thing. When I thought it was done, but I thought that was done in a creative and unique way.

25:33 Speaker 2: It wasn't just like let me throw sequins and crystals all over everything.

25:37 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I really love that. So like those were let's call it my top two.

25:44 Speaker 2: And then I was like, the rest of my top people are all if they're men. Andrew Garfield in that brown tuxedo, it was tailored to perfection. And one of my beef with a lot of the men on the red carpet was like their pants were they were too long, and so the break which is at the bottom where it like kind of meets their shoe, it looked bunched up and bad like Timothy shallow May had that problem.

26:13 Speaker 3: And I just thought Andrew Garfield like absolute perfection.

26:17 Speaker 2: I actually also really loved Adrian Brody in his taxedo, but I thought he was.

26:23 Speaker 3: Just congratulations to him chef's kiss and.

26:26 Speaker 2: Then rounding out the men, Coleman Domingo, I mean, can can this man do?

26:32 Speaker 3: He can do no wrong? In my opinion. I mean, he just like always gets it. I was listening to the Vogue run through podcast.

26:39 Speaker 2: I don't know if you listened to this, and they said, like Coleman Domingo is like that kid in science class. That is the reason you can't get a curve because you know they're going to.

26:49 Speaker 3: Get the A without the curve.

26:51 Speaker 2: And that's him in the fashion like you just you know he's going to get the A without the curve.

26:56 Speaker 3: Everybody's trying to catch up to him.

26:58 Speaker 2: I mean, read the sash, that modern take on the tuxedo. I loved that brooches were the accessory.

27:05 Speaker 3: For the men this year. I loved it, loved it.

27:09 Speaker 2: I mean I just to me, that was how you stay true to your style and your aesthetic, how you show up with the dress code, but how you also do that in a way that feels real and true and authentic to you.

27:23 Speaker 1: I think that's fantastic. I really do think Poman was in my top and it's rare that man even make it into my top five. I was just saying, where are these things?

27:39 Speaker 3: Well, and then the men brought it.

27:42 Speaker 1: I really think so as well. I was very impressed by the men Cooman looked so good. You know, it was given. Like I love a good fashion moment for a man. It doesn't happen all the time, you know, especially since like Billy Porter has been eating the girls up over the last few years with various trains and gowns of things of that sort. Recently, uh shaboozi. I think on yeah for the Grammys. I love that.

28:11 Speaker 2: I was like, yep, he was, yes, yeah, like the men really, but I love it. I feel like it's giving men permission to like be like I don't have to show up in the same.

28:25 Speaker 3: George Clooney Black talks with the Suton Shop like you can do more, and so I love that.

28:32 Speaker 2: I love that, like they're giving men permission to Andrew Garfield five years ago wouldn't have worn a chocolate brown suit. He no, no, And I'm like, Andrew Garfield should only wear chocolate brown suits because he looked.

28:45 Speaker 1: Amazing, absolutely looks so good. I was very impressed, and like I said, the men absolutely gave it to me this this time around, I think so Koma Domingo was one of my top five deaf. I'm mixing up both like after Party and you know regularly, oh yeah, just because I mean changed me. There's more for me to judge.

29:09 Speaker 3: So and also some of the after.

29:11 Speaker 1: Party offices were better than Yeah, Kylie Jenner, I'm looking at you.

29:18 Speaker 3: I'm definitely looking at Jesus.

29:20 Speaker 1: Way better in the after party than the before party.

29:22 Speaker 4: I said, yeah, okay, sorry, okay, you know you're good.

29:30 Speaker 1: So one of my best. Also just because I love her, but I thought she looked so chic. I loved the material is Kara Delavine, Yes.

29:40 Speaker 3: Studio, and.

29:44 Speaker 1: M like it was excellent.

29:47 Speaker 2: Wellard it?

29:52 Speaker 1: Okay, First of all, I love that posing because I wore his brides maide collection in twenty fourteen to prompt I did not wear a regular prom dress. I wore a mini black lace very but poof got at the bottom, like off the shoulder, well constructed Zach Posen bridesmaid's dress, and I was like, a black bridesmaid's dress that seems weird. I want it, And that's exactly what I wore. So I love Zach Posen and that's why I like it because it's so edgy, the sleeves, the bodice, Like I thought she looked fantastic, but she looked like cheek.

30:26 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, she's the hot girl that everyone in the band wants like. She looks so good and I love Karadelavine. She's so versatile to me, like I can wear some clothes honey. Oh okay, yes, okay, she can wear it, look like. I love Karadelavine. So shout out to her. She gave it to me. Kindle made it into my top five.

30:49 Speaker 3: He looked so good. Great, she looked fantastic.

30:54 Speaker 1: She looked.

30:56 Speaker 2: I also love a person that can go and get archival and look and get archive pieces that look of the moment.

31:05 Speaker 1: Yes, right, because sometimes talk about her being trend. Yes, yeah, a lot of feed through a lot of blaze, but talked about it being way better because it's style. It struck as that.

31:16 Speaker 3: Yes, she looked.

31:19 Speaker 1: She gave me a moment. The sleeves were everything, the collar was everything. Her hair I thought worked really well, Yes, the collar one.

31:31 Speaker 4: Also, this speaks to styling from head to toe, like you have to think about your look as a whole complete look and not just like what is this stress doing?

31:41 Speaker 1: Yes, I think so too. And another My fourth is going to go to Miss Lizzo in Siriano. I'm not even going to get into how snatched her waist is because y'all bullied that lady into getting there, and I'm just glad she looks so good. Y'all mad at her again, looks good, looks happy, yes, all of that happy. Don't care how she did it, because even if she did do the gop ones or whatever, that literally was used to be eating ice on TikTok with her fruit every morning and work out for three hours on TikTok all throughout COVID.

32:17 Speaker 1: So she got to Lizzo forgetting the body that makes her feel so damn good. She looked good as hell. Yeah, yeah, okay, he was feeling good as hell looking good as Helle, and her dress spoke to me. Christian really got her together in a way that made it feel like, Okay, you love your body, you want to say f you to the haters. Then here we're gonna make it do what it do for your body, and it.

32:43 Speaker 2: Is well he he really understands with those bodies, oh yeah, and has always understood because even if you think about our Project Runway when they make them do the one challenge where they have to use a real woman's body and not a model body, and most of them fail miserably. He has always gotten it, he has always understood it, and so I think, yes, the way he designs for women in different shapes, it's just.

33:13 Speaker 1: Just just I'm so like the pride in him is like an understatement, like I think it is so good that I'm like, it's like if he would stop knocking it out of the park with every especially Kirby plush woman that he dresses, I could come up for air. But like he's eating the girls up. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, especially because people can see themselves in fashion. When the honored like him make things like that, oh, putore pieces, real specific pieces, runway pieces like you know, customers, it makes you feel like anyone could do the dress up thing, which it does.

33:51 Speaker 2: It really does what I wish Christian Siriano was Christian Siriano when Jennifer Hudson won the Oscars, because oh, that brown dress in Balero lives in my nightmares.

34:05 Speaker 1: And I just.

34:09 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was like that was that was such the time where the houses wouldn't dress you know, bigger girls and all that kind of stuff, and I'm just like, oh, I wish we could just work and back in time to make her something super beautiful on the night when she was gonna.

34:22 Speaker 3: Win an oscar.

34:23 Speaker 1: Yes, and then of course my top number one is well not number one necessarily of like winners, but my last of my favorite dress this is Halle Berry. I thought she looked amazing, Like did we already know that, yes, but the fact that Halle can come in here this many, like decades after and still be a stunner, Like everyone is talking about her being best dressed and she's been doing this how many red carpets right right, right, right right because she lord, okay, I'm here. I'm hearing her on every other podcast, and she's like she wants best dress man Like she looked amazing, beautiful, effortless, and I just get whatever she got in the You know, I won't buy the group stuff, but whatever Hallie Barry got going on in gab Union, I will buy in bulk.

35:09 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because I'll do that. Like, first of all, Gabrielle Union was on watching It Happens Live the other day and my god, oh, she looked are you thirty?

35:22 Speaker 3: Like girl, she is aging backwards young.

35:26 Speaker 1: I'm like, you look younger than Andy.

35:27 Speaker 3: I'm confused, Like she would like bring it on Gabrielle Union, who was already.

35:33 Speaker 2: When she was bringing it on. Yeah, she's looking like she will, looking like she could go back to bring it on and play a teenager.

35:39 Speaker 1: Absolutely, like she's all that.

35:41 Speaker 3: And playing teenage.

35:44 Speaker 1: I you know, sister sister. Taraji p Hinton and Gabrielle Union were both on there like in guest spots periodically, and they were like considerably older than everybody else on the show when they did it, Like I think Taraji was like twenty five or twenty something like right right right, but you wouldn't know, and you still wouldn't know now, like are you still twenty five? Like did we freeze? Just And I thought Wayne also looked fantastic on the red carpet. Look very old Hollywood, very sophisticated, very like old money, very black.

36:17 Speaker 1: I said, oh, Debor, Deborah, Dwayne and Gap I loved him so much. They're also like the best parents ever. Just putting that out there. Your goals for sure for real? Okay, so our worst are not so great? Like who were the biggest misses of the night? For me? I will start with doja cat No. I don't want it, I don't like it, and it's not I don't care who it was. I don't care how it was constructed. She looked like Jessica Rabbit in a l and leopard print. That's what she went to me. It literally looks like Jessica Rabbit's dress, the complete cut and everything.

36:58 Speaker 1: That hair. I didn't like ford love and natural hair that wasn't the one. The color, the tone color, didn't like that, none of it. I ain't like the scarf, didn't like that, didn't like it.

37:10 Speaker 3: And the scarf trend in general.

37:12 Speaker 1: You know, I don't really love us scarf. I don't think we need as many things around our neck anymore as we thought we did. I have used the statement necklace his back in the day, so in infinity scars. So I think I'm just traumatized, and I'm like, no, no.

37:25 Speaker 2: I think it's like it's this, you know, everything from the late nineties and early two thousands is coming back. And I wore a scarf like that to my problem in two thousand or two thousand and one whatever, and I just I was like, that trend could have stayed back there, Yeah, is how I feel.

37:44 Speaker 1: I think it definitely it could have stayed.

37:46 Speaker 3: It could have That's a trend I did not like on the Red Car. And there were a lot of.

37:51 Speaker 1: Scar yeah, a lot of scarfs, A lot of trains that I didn't appreciate. Draping, Yeah, there was a lot of train action, a lot of like back curtains that I was like, huh, that's a choice, like storm read love her. I thought her dress was great. The cake confused me and I didn't like it.

38:10 Speaker 3: But not dress.

38:12 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, good. But then I'm also like together, it only made sense together. But it only made sense from the front. It only looked good from the front.

38:20 Speaker 3: I don't even take you looks a good from the front. I found it.

38:23 Speaker 1: Aged her, Yeah, okay, she could have.

38:26 Speaker 2: I mean, if she was just gonna go with a short dress, like she should have just gone all.

38:30 Speaker 3: In with the short dress. And so I just felt like it really really made her look a lot.

38:37 Speaker 1: Older than she Yeah, I think so too. It didn't look good. It didn't look good. Who else another one for me? In worst dress? And I love her And it is no indication of her In fact, she's so talented. Maybe she just doesn't have like the eye for style all the time that she needs to have, And that is one miss overlooked Cynthia Arivo. I didn't like it. I didn't like it. I didn't like it. It wasn't wicked. I didn't like it. I didn't like it at all. I thought it was not good. The accessions weren't good.

39:12 Speaker 1: She's gorgeous. Didn't like the purse with the dress. It really upset me because I'm almost like I can't even decide if this dress is good or not because of the purse, Like I'm confused by what I'm looking at the accession. I didn't like it.

39:27 Speaker 2: So here's what, Oh god, I forgot. Lapita is also on my tip. I'm adding a sixth person, Lapita Nyagoing. But the thing that stressed me out about Cynthia I didn't she didn't make my top five worst dress, but her outfit stressed me out because it was trying.

39:48 Speaker 3: To make too many statements in too many places.

39:51 Speaker 1: Yeah.

39:52 Speaker 2: So, like you had the giant sleeves, right, you had that crazy moleficent neck, you had you know, the hips on the like I would have picked one thing and made it the thing, Like, if you want to do the maleficent neckline, do a streamline dress everywhere else?

40:16 Speaker 1: Yes, I understand and then.

40:17 Speaker 2: And then suddenly you're giving alpha bove. But make it fashion right, right right.

40:24 Speaker 5: If you're gonna do that those giant you know hips in the bottom of the skirt and everything like that, you don't also need that crazy neckline and those sleeves.

40:35 Speaker 3: And so I think it was stressful to me because there was just too much happening.

40:42 Speaker 1: It was way too much happening. An honorable mention to that is like I was really upset because the after party also didn't look good. Oh yeah, I was upset about that heart purse. I didn't said about the necklace. I was like away.

40:58 Speaker 2: The thing about the after a party dress, I will say, is you know how Vanity Fair does the d they have them do, like the videos and all of that stuff. So it's like behind the scenes, if you watch the outfit move it makes sense.

41:12 Speaker 1: Okay, so I watched it move.

41:15 Speaker 3: You did, I didn't.

41:17 Speaker 1: I think again, I think it was like the I think that if we were going to wear that and it be so like abstract. It literally looks like they threw the fabric over her.

41:29 Speaker 2: Body, like they.

41:30 Speaker 1: Went and they're like yeah, then like pinned it and like put a ribbon on top. Then I think we should have been clean everywhere else clean clean, clean everything from stud ear rings and a heel and we're good to go.

41:43 Speaker 3: Yeah, I will give you that. I will give.

41:45 Speaker 1: Accessories were a lot, Like everything was a lot, and I hate to say it as a girl with long nails, but it didn't work with this dress. Her long Yeah, it didn't work.

41:56 Speaker 3: You know, I'm a nail girly.

41:57 Speaker 2: Okay, and I I actually wished that she had.

42:02 Speaker 3: Toned the nails down.

42:03 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I am team extra extra read all about it with the nails. But even I was like, girl, we noticed as a press all these are press all you're gonna pop them off and dumb.

42:17 Speaker 3: Yeah you know what.

42:17 Speaker 1: I'm saying, Have a girl, come and get you a cute little rig coat real quick on your you know, on your nails. And I just felt like she is so beautiful and her head was so clean, her skin looks so good, and it looked like we were going for easy, breezy draping, but they had so much extra.

42:33 Speaker 3: That it was over styled.

42:36 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I didn't love style. So Cynthia was on my worst dressed even though she was most talented this year.

42:43 Speaker 2: But her archival Vivian Westwood that she wore yes when they performed, that was chef's cat.

42:50 Speaker 3: That was cute.

42:51 Speaker 1: That was very cute. I was very happy about that, you know. And also Honorble mentioned is Ariana Grande. I thought she actually liked the the g what is it the architectural oh sculpture.

43:05 Speaker 3: Yeah.

43:06 Speaker 1: I thought she looked great. I thought she looked and it worked for her. She looked like make it fast.

43:12 Speaker 3: She she did look like Linda ever make it fashion?

43:14 Speaker 1: Yea exactly what like if non if Glinda wasn't like cheesy and going to OZ, but was like going to the I Glinda was going to the Oscars.

43:21 Speaker 3: That's what she That's what she would wear and A hundred.

43:26 Speaker 1: I'm one hundred percent. And then I think, what am im? My third or fourth Kim Kardashians. After party looked the white one didn't like it? Fine, I was like, what is it? What did One of her sisters was like, what did you take your Chris Humphries wedding dress?

43:45 Speaker 2: That's exactly what it looked like. It's so funny because I literally was talking to my friend and I was like, why have I seen Kim in this dress before.

43:52 Speaker 3: I know, I haven't seen her, and I was like, I know, it's Valenciaga and they just made it. But I was like, I've seen her in it. That's exactly what it is.

44:00 Speaker 1: And I think was like Shay and her was like, look, she had to take her wedding dress out of retirement and this would it look like it was given? Was given like pre money. Kim went to David's bridal shout out, but this is Kim Kardashian and the oscars not me, like it looked like. She went to the David's bridle. She picked up the first gown in the non chiffon so that it wouldn't be glary and put it on strapless, got a clean face, and put the hair in a bun. She looks like the models of the dresses, like the not like the showing up the dresses like hey, I'm just here and I'm like, Kim.

44:36 Speaker 2: I can't get the Chris Humphries wedding out of my head because the hair was the same.

44:40 Speaker 1: Like it was.

44:41 Speaker 3: I can't. I can't.

44:42 Speaker 2: The hair, the makeup, it was, oh my gosh, I'm never gonna get that out much.

44:48 Speaker 1: It was not good. Didn't love that. And then my last, but not least, is Timothy shallow Man and that girlfriend of his. And now here's the thing, Timothy, let me tell you something. I'm gonna needed you to stick to different colors. Every color doesn't work for everybody. First, it was that pink treck suit that I literally DMed Erica. We were talking about it.

45:05 Speaker 2: We were like, what is what is happening?

45:10 Speaker 1: A Marilyn Monroe moment and you're in your pis suit. It's giving joggers. What are you doing?

45:18 Speaker 2: I'm living your Adam Sandler best Life's so small.

45:23 Speaker 1: Didn't like it. And now this Mustard situation. It was giving Tom standeval ghost to get costumes like he does every year, and I didn't like it. I understand, Muster's the color. It shouldn't be or it shouldn't be on him.

45:36 Speaker 3: It shouldn't know. It was not It was not a good color. The suit, the bottom half wasn't.

45:44 Speaker 2: I actually think if he had had that top half in a different color, like the jacket was actually great.

45:52 Speaker 3: And I loved that he went for like a shorter jacket, a short.

45:55 Speaker 2: Like to me, that is fashion forward and in another color it would have been fashioned black tie fashion and forward, but I can't get over the pants and I wish he had worn his Vanity Fair suit to the Oscars.

46:07 Speaker 1: Yes, now, the Vanity Fair I got into.

46:12 Speaker 3: I really really really liked the Vanities.

46:14 Speaker 1: I think they both looked good going to the they huh everybody more like they're cute outfits to the part like the not cute office to the ceremony.

46:28 Speaker 2: But I think some of that is paid to play, Okay. I think a lot of that is the like you're this brand, you're the random bassador, you have to do this, you have to wear that, and vanity fairs where.

46:41 Speaker 3: You get to wear which could pick out right?

46:45 Speaker 1: I think choices.

46:48 Speaker 2: Kim Yeah, I don't Kimberly Noel Kardashian.

46:52 Speaker 3: I'm not sure why.

46:53 Speaker 1: Not, because I know she has all the resources. I mean I still put on her show to do laundry in the background. And I know you got the resources because every Thursday when I turned it on, you were in somebody's design house going to their archives from like nineteen ninety two.

47:06 Speaker 3: So yeah, I don't, I do understand.

47:10 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know mine. Worse, there were a lot the list could have been a lot longer, but would have been a lot longer.

47:18 Speaker 2: So we agree on storm Read, and we agree on Timothy Shallome. So my other worst dress, and these next.

47:28 Speaker 3: Two really really paying me to say it because his actresses. I love them.

47:31 Speaker 1: Oh no, I think I know, because I have an honorable mention too.

47:35 Speaker 2: Okay, well let's see if your honorable mention is Zoe Saldana or Dave I enjoy Randolph.

47:40 Speaker 1: Okay, so mine is Zoe's Eldonna and Peaky Palmer. Oh loved the dress, ish the bando, this is the place this, didn't like the specific misfit like I got you, I got you. Any other coverage of the hitty area and yeah, I'm with you on that. Just the band of it all. I'm like, no, that's giving throw it on under like my tube top and I'm going to go to the mall.

48:11 Speaker 3: And then yeah, yeah, I can see that. I could see that. I can see that being.

48:15 Speaker 1: A great hand to toe. I love the construction of the chains. I love the bottom. It was just the band, if the middle or sweetheart anything else, yeah.

48:25 Speaker 3: Anything, I'm with you. I'm with you on that.

48:28 Speaker 1: Yeah, go ahead, I did.

48:29 Speaker 2: Not I'm not gonna eat her up from trying to make that my brand, but.

48:38 Speaker 3: Just was like the exact wrong dress for her body, and every single way.

48:44 Speaker 1: Hate when that happens.

48:46 Speaker 2: It's it's like there's I hated the opera gloves with it.

48:50 Speaker 3: I didn't understand the like being sheer.

48:53 Speaker 2: Across her chest but having this very heavy balloon bubble fabric at the bottom juxtaposition didn't make sense to me. The color on her skin tone didn't make sense to me. Like there was just nothing about it that made sense to me. And I get her styles like a little bit edgier, and she wanted you know, she might have wanted to do something like that, but I just don't think this was it. Like I just there was no choice about anything in that look that made sense to me.

49:25 Speaker 1: Mm hmm, not a one. I didn't like it.

49:27 Speaker 3: I just I did. I did what it is and then the Davine Joy Randolph of it all.

49:35 Speaker 2: I love her and we have seen her pull some beautiful looks, like when she was at the Met Gallant and that Dunim gown again from Zach Posen with gap that was beautiful and stunning. I've seen her in magazine shoots. It looked beautiful I hated everything about it. I hated that scarf. It made it look like she had no neck. It was too much going on in the chest that I understand wanting to sinch the waist, but it looked super super exaggerated against the hips. I didn't understand, like the fabric choice, Like I just I.

50:06 Speaker 3: Hated all of it.

50:07 Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't good. It was not good. And again to stand out this year and not good is actually kind of tackling because the list could have been longer.

50:18 Speaker 3: No, and it's like that I.

50:20 Speaker 2: Just pulled up the picture again because there's just so much I dislike that center piece in the middle right, and then I get like the rushing is like I understand what she's trying to do, right, she's trying to create that hour glass figure, but it's too exaggerating when you put the rushing right at the hips. So I'm like, all you're doing is drawing our attention to the hips. You have the scarfall, but your chest is so popped up you actually look like you don't have a neck, right, Like I just I don't.

50:51 Speaker 3: I don't like get anything.

50:52 Speaker 1: About it, and I love I do too, but it didn't work. It did not work. I didn't work Madison's dress. I feel completely forgot about her. I was like, how you gonna win?

51:08 Speaker 2: But I think I think the design house. Yeah, that's her, that's my guest.

51:12 Speaker 1: It's not even her fault is just it is what it is.

51:15 Speaker 3: She's young. I'm like, she's young and it looks old.

51:18 Speaker 1: Yeah, very old, man. A lot of that happened this year too, a lot.

51:21 Speaker 3: She's young, twenty five and she looks old. She looks very old.

51:27 Speaker 1: Like. Notice that I didn't even say, please keep going because.

51:30 Speaker 3: I'll go ahead. What were we gonna say?

51:33 Speaker 1: I completely forgot because I am not trying to bully her, but Millie, I need us to do some work. I need us to have conversations with the right people.

51:42 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, like you said, I think they're just stressing old. Like even Miley.

51:45 Speaker 1: Cyrus is styling old. Yeah, they looked a lot older than they.

51:49 Speaker 3: What they are.

51:50 Speaker 2: And I just I'm like, you know, and I honestly, this Dior dress that Mikey has on, I bet if she had simply changed the top from black to pink or white, it would have totally changed the look of the dress.

52:05 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I can see that. I could. I think the.

52:09 Speaker 3: Necklace is weird to me.

52:10 Speaker 2: I wouldn't have a necklace coming down that low, that close to the bodice.

52:13 Speaker 3: But I think that black looks like heavy and.

52:20 Speaker 2: I just think if she would have chosen a lighter color, it would totally change her makeup is also old like around her eyes makes her look older with like that super dark makeup.

52:30 Speaker 3: My last person that was worst dressed, and again.

52:34 Speaker 2: This is someone I love and I loved his Vanity Fair outfit was Jeff Goldblum. I wish he would have worn the Vanity Fair outfit.

52:41 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I wish he would have too. Jeff. I loved Jeff. He did great, you know, wicked, you know big. We're all looking at y'all.

52:50 Speaker 2: She's fantastic, And normally he's great on a red carpet, like he normally does a risk.

52:57 Speaker 3: In something out of the ordinary and does it be beautifully.

53:01 Speaker 2: I just think this one was a miss, and I wish he would have worn the Vanity Fair outfit to the actual oscars. I think that's where he would have gotten, you know, taking stepping out of the comfort zone, doing something out of the box, taking a risk, but looking just pulled together.

53:17 Speaker 3: Looking debonair, looking dapper, like I just he should have he should have worn the vanity fair.

53:22 Speaker 2: Yeah, the theme of today is all y'all should have worn your vanity fair outfits to the oscar.

53:26 Speaker 1: Yes, and we should have like you, you really played us with that first half, because I was like, this is are y'all new here? This isn't good? Like but also to my young lady's Millie Storm Sophia Richie, who is going down a very Olsen twin path like in a lot of the looks, but like, stop dressing older in the older makeup like. Yeah, I think Kendall and Kylie as fashion girlies did a really nice job looking young and fun but also keeping it fashion like, like we said Kendall's red carpet and other and vanity fair look.

54:04 Speaker 1: I thought eight meet up, I could just as young and fine. Why is Sophia younger than you looking older than you? It's that hell of that old husband. That's what that is. That's what that is. She's like, oh man, yeah he is old. He's like because Sophia is younger than me, like like a bit, and this man is considerably older than me, like by at least fifteen years.

54:27 Speaker 3: So.

54:29 Speaker 1: You gotta be heard two. Speaking of the husbands, before we wrap up our fashion talk, I wanted to know your thoughts on the Potomac Reunion looks. They there was a theme, there were two themes. There were two things. I'd be curious to know what Bravo thought their theme was, because we all thought the theme was titty kitty, I want to display on display, Honey.

54:57 Speaker 3: You always white, like they always have to wear white.

55:01 Speaker 1: I think they do often jewel tones or like that.

55:06 Speaker 3: You're right, because there was that they have the yellows and.

55:08 Speaker 1: The blues, and they they've done pinks, They've done like Champagny and then here we are they ate up yellow. But this was like what yeah, they did?

55:20 Speaker 3: So here's so I like the white okay, and I want.

55:32 Speaker 2: Them to maybe try again. I mean, this is this is this is a wild take. But I actually thought Giselle was one of the best looking.

55:39 Speaker 1: No, it really wasn't that wild of a take. We were all shocked, like used, We were like huh.

55:45 Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't listen.

55:47 Speaker 1: I got a new stylist again, like Wendy stylist.

55:51 Speaker 2: I think again, maybe okay, because I was like in it shows, it's show.

55:56 Speaker 3: So here's.

56:00 Speaker 2: Here's what I think happened. We know the reunion is a sit down reunion. It is and so and so I think it is everyone. Let's make sure we just emphasize it is every year. Every year it's a sit down reunion and everything. I think everyone over emphasized what their outfit was.

56:21 Speaker 1: Gonna look like sitting down got you? You think that was their focus?

56:24 Speaker 2: And so I think because they yeah, I think that was their focus. So I think that's why we got so much chanty. I think that's why we got so many exaggerated like necklines and shoulder lines and all that kind of stuff. The problem is when everybody does it, it actually clashes mm hmm.

56:40 Speaker 3: So it doesn't look like it goes in.

56:43 Speaker 2: And I know that they don't show each other their looks and they don't talk about it, but this would have been one time.

56:48 Speaker 3: What Bravo needs to do because Bramo has to approve.

56:50 Speaker 2: The outfits, right, So what Brabo needs to do is get the pictures of everybody's outfit and then let a stylist come in and say, okay, if you're gonna do like Wendy and Ashley, were just opposite couches with the same thing happening right Like I couldn't. K's breasts were just so just shot. I was like, they are gonna pop out at any moment.

57:13 Speaker 3: Kay and me. I was just like, y'all.

57:15 Speaker 2: Get a little too hype and we're gonna get a blur because like there's so much. But I think everyone was trying to like focus on how they've looked sitting down. It just actually ended up looking like too much when they were sitting down. I think they all looked better together when they were standing, but when they were sitting, it just was like a big oldmen.

57:34 Speaker 3: I did not like Wendy's dress at all.

57:37 Speaker 1: Yet I did not like Wendy's or Stacy's, and seeing the next to each other was really.

57:45 Speaker 3: I didn't I yeah.

57:47 Speaker 1: Flowers of Stacy's and next because I just don't like floral prints like or floral designs. Yeah, it could be like a three D floral dress. I didn't enjoy. But I thought it was cut well, it.

58:01 Speaker 3: Was very Yeah, it was beautiful. It was cut really really beautifully. I actually I like Keana's dress except for the way the top bit.

58:08 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the top was.

58:13 Speaker 3: Stress out balloons in here.

58:16 Speaker 1: Yeah.

58:17 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I wish the top was like a little bit better fitting. But I actually really really loved hers. I didn't like the top of.

58:22 Speaker 1: MIA's Gazelle did look Bess stressed im in this case, she was the best looking. What do you think about Ashley's I mean, I.

58:35 Speaker 3: Just felt like Ashley's dress looked like how Ashley's dress was always.

58:40 Speaker 1: Yes, the it was very like subdued avant guard, which is like contradictory, but like the bottom is very like regular and the top is like, no, I'll give it a show, which but that's a little much.

58:56 Speaker 2: But yes, but that's what I'm saying, like the we are so heavily concentrated on with the top of the dress lists like, I.

59:04 Speaker 1: Just I would have changed her hair for it too. I wouldn't have done it, half of I wouldn't.

59:07 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah I didn't. I did not.

59:11 Speaker 1: If you're gonna have that neck or that chest line.

59:13 Speaker 3: Now you gotta just like let it pull it up, yeah, pull it up. You gotta put it back.

59:20 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I mean I guess I also you know who's wig?

59:24 Speaker 3: I did not like Stacy's.

59:26 Speaker 1: Yeah, No, Stacey had a bad not good Reunion, to finish, start to finish.

59:32 Speaker 2: Oh my god, wait listen, I had to get on threads. I was like, y'all are letting me watch the Oscars when this was going down.

59:38 Speaker 1: Like it was incredible, chow, it was incredible.

59:42 Speaker 2: They didn't even bring out Greg because Eddie busted the thing all wide open.

59:49 Speaker 1: To bring Edie out. I was chancing for my couch, bring Edie out. And I think that I'm just gonna be asking this question for the next few weeks to every guest. Do you think Stacy is telling me that truth? Do you believe Stacey or TJ? Not explicitly, I mean, like with a grain of salt, do you believe that there was some kind of exchange and deal for him to appear on the show.

1:00:09 Speaker 3: I don't. I do not think she paid him. I do think she told him it would give him exposure and help his.

1:00:15 Speaker 1: Career, and instead we all thought he was a terrible piece of shit because he.

1:00:20 Speaker 3: Was well, yeah, he was trash. But on they only edit what you give them, thank you.

1:00:28 Speaker 2: But I do I do think she said something about it could help You'll get exposure, You'll be in front of.

1:00:34 Speaker 3: More eyes, blah blah, blah blah blah. I don't think she paid him.

1:00:40 Speaker 1: Okay, do you think that there's truth or a possibility that there was like a I will cover your expenses.

1:00:46 Speaker 6: Oh yeah.

1:00:47 Speaker 2: I think she probably was like, I'll pay for your flights to come into DC.

1:00:51 Speaker 3: Yeah, like all of that. I think she absolutely paid for those flights and did.

1:00:54 Speaker 1: All of that.

1:00:55 Speaker 3: But I don't think she was like, let me pay you twenty.

1:00:59 Speaker 2: Five thousand dollars to act like my boyfriend on the show. I think she was come be on the show. We're already really good friends, so we can have a little romantic interest. It's going to help your career, and I'll cover your you know, I'll pay for your flights.

1:01:14 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay. I'm still very curious to hear, like, you know, because it's going people are like, I don't believe him, or I believe her and I believe him. I don't believe either of them because I think that what we think is the justification of what she may have done is just as bad as paying someone to be your boyfriend. You actually just didn't need your best friend who apparently doesn't like you, to come on the show at all. You didn't I understand that she was nervous that she wasn't going to be maybe probably like a full time housewife, you know in the Tuna Sutton, But like RaSE, they.

1:01:45 Speaker 3: Don't know when they shoot the season if they're.

1:01:47 Speaker 1: Yeah, And because her ex husband like they he will not.

1:01:51 Speaker 3: Yeah, he won't.

1:01:52 Speaker 1: Pab Audi, the kid's not going to be on the show. He's not going to be on the show. So like, what was she going to film about? But then let me see you dating or something? But he was not.

1:02:02 Speaker 3: Yeah, he wasn't it.

1:02:04 Speaker 1: I also he just started a relationship or something like y'all had kids or something. I would have told the producers that of anything, but to make us believe like or to say just because you preface it with he's just my best friend, but that's not how you're introducing him to us, because you're trying to say, y'all are dating and he's treating you terribly. I don't give a shit about y'all not having sex or not. He doesn't seem like he's even likes you. He doesn't seem like he likes her. Yes, I'm like, he doesn't like you, and now we know he doesn't.

1:02:30 Speaker 1: So when she said she lost her best friend. But you know, still I.

1:02:33 Speaker 2: Rise, yeah, I mean I thought it was weird too when she said to see how he treated me on the show, like you weren't there when he was having a hissy fit at the party, you know, and all that kind of stuff. I'm like, you were there when he was treating you terribly? Did you just like, did you.

1:02:51 Speaker 3: Fall and bump your head or was it.

1:02:54 Speaker 1: Or did you not care during the time being because it meant you would have a spoil the show?

1:03:00 Speaker 3: Well?

1:03:01 Speaker 2: And do you make a good point, because you know, people change how they feel once they see how the fans react.

1:03:06 Speaker 1: To Bloop Because if anything, I'm like, did you want sympathy? Though? If like, did you want course correct? When did you course correct? And was like, he treated me terribly and that's why we're not friends no more. But you can't say that you broke up in part one of the reunion and you just told you just invited him or told him not to come so that he would not tell his side of the story, because yes, it sounds ridiculous, but still, and then also when the third part say you lost just your best friend, it can't be both unless y'all were not really dating or like, again, I think it's just as bad to be like, hey, come on this show, let's do this mutually beneficial thing for each other.

1:03:45 Speaker 1: That's the same thing to me.

1:03:46 Speaker 2: Is I think it is the same thing for sure, But either way, it's not authentic.

1:03:52 Speaker 1: And that's why I look like how it looked.

1:03:55 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean that's the bottom line is it wasn't you look. I think it's like, we're so I don't care if you get on Housewives and you've watched Housewives. We are so far in to the Housewives universe you have to know people will snuff out fakeness.

1:04:15 Speaker 1: Yes, we're going to every time you have the time, and at the very least girl put something. The area is a small community. One of those girls would have quickly been like same s, when is she date in TJ, which is how they all ended up trying to expose her because they were like, we know it, the streets have been talking and we don't know who y'all. We never seen y'all together together, right, So it's just giving like, you know, do a little bit better still down with.

1:04:38 Speaker 3: This whole cast, because if you bring her back.

1:04:41 Speaker 1: I think they absolutely should Okay, absolutely. I think it worked out for Kenya as bad as I'm like, you know, send the money or whatever on Walter paying for Ubers or whatever. On TJ. It worked. We did the third part of the reunion folks on a New Housewife. I think that is facts, you know what I think about that. Though her sheet, I mean her Wendy because they now have this thing in a baby. I think Stacy is extremely thirsty, I really do, and I like it. I think she is a very smart woman.

1:05:17 Speaker 3: I think she's smart.

1:05:19 Speaker 1: I think that contrary to what Gazelle believes of her, saying that do we know Stacy to be educated? I think that Stacey is at the very least strategic, and she has goals for herself, and she is thinking about herself long term. And I think we should keep her on this show. I think it works well on Potomac.

1:05:38 Speaker 3: I like it. I like it. I'm with it.

1:05:40 Speaker 1: I do, and I thought that they all. I think Stacey, even for her first reunion, though I don't like the floral, I think she did pretty well in first reunion Housewife. Listen, it took Giselle all these years to get a funnel.

1:05:52 Speaker 1: How she loves and for her to be dressed. Wow, is it because Karen was in jail? Though I mean, sorry, no she's not. She wasn't in jail at the time. But is it because is that? Why did you Zelle just get like default? Because it was like less is more for her and Karen Knight? You know, because because.

1:06:10 Speaker 2: If you think about it, that dress is in the vein of what a lot of Like I'm thinking about that blue dress that had the crystals and the long sleeves, like Giselle's never going to be like, let me put a beaded gown on top to bott like she doesn't do that. So I was like, I actually think this is still in the vein of what she wears. I think it's a better style, it's a better cut, it's made better for her body.

1:06:36 Speaker 3: I just think I thought element, Yeah, her hair breakup was beautiful. I think she just elevated.

1:06:42 Speaker 2: Now did she get to elevate because caroll't unclean?

1:06:46 Speaker 1: Confident? Maybe she felt sure, but she just I mean she yeah.

1:06:51 Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't know if it's empty nest of Giselle.

1:06:55 Speaker 3: I don't know if it's now stylid. I don't know what it is but like, let's keep this one because.

1:06:59 Speaker 1: This and whoever who helped you to get this little probably wasn't col because you know, we know with the work he does. But let me tell you keep that person around because this.

1:07:09 Speaker 3: Was all this this is Yeah, this was our best dress.

1:07:13 Speaker 1: I thought this was Gizelle's best reunion to date. She was too messy, she was not too crazy. She was hilarious, very shady, very bad, very mean. But I don't she didn't even take the cake.

1:07:25 Speaker 3: She wasn't, but she you know what. I thought it was interesting when Andy said about like the Wendy Giselle tag team.

1:07:31 Speaker 1: I was like, I really enjoyed that. I think that they should do more of that. Actually, my husband, they're not together like Giselle and Wendy when they're not on the same page.

1:07:42 Speaker 2: Yeah, my husband is so funny because well listen, all your followers or all your mixologists don't know.

1:07:49 Speaker 3: My husband want just photomac.

1:07:51 Speaker 2: But he said, do I think Giselle was like this and more likable because Robin wasn't there. Wow, you think that they put they put a battery in each other's back.

1:08:02 Speaker 1: Probably they really do.

1:08:05 Speaker 2: Well, they put a battery in each other's back, and because they know they're always gonna have that other person holding them down, that they don't.

1:08:12 Speaker 1: Let them do.

1:08:13 Speaker 3: Yeah, they can choose to just be like, I'm not engaging. I'm not doing that like.

1:08:17 Speaker 2: You're They're not forced to sit down and have some of the conversations and all that stuff.

1:08:21 Speaker 3: Of the thrust of them is and Robie.

1:08:22 Speaker 2: Not being there forced her to do that, and I actually think it was better for her.

1:08:26 Speaker 3: I never thought about it till you asked me the question.

1:08:28 Speaker 1: Yes, okay, come on, husband, Yes, you know he can stay. Eddie can stay. Shout out to Eddie. I love that man. I thought he was also on my best dress. His tups looks beautiful. He was great, he was fantastic. I just think he had a great reunion. Gaselle and Eddie had the best reunion. That's layers best reunion. Yes, first chairs. I am so proud of them, and Erica. I'm so proud of you. I'm so happy for you. You picked off your business like full time, full time. You are thrived, And please tell people where they can connect with you, where they can get more of your fabulous fashion.

1:09:05 Speaker 1: Y'all are doing some you have like a little team now like you're doing an amazing social media things, some of the collections of like Black History, Moms Style and how we've shaped style and fashion in the black culture and for women's history. I was like, oh, eating it up, eating it up, because then you know, I love me some fashion. Where can they have all that engage with you and get to know you as your style expertise?

1:09:26 Speaker 2: Oh thank you well, so definitely hop on over to Instagram.

1:09:30 Speaker 3: Your chek is showing. I'm on there.

1:09:33 Speaker 2: I got a social media person that is helping me out, but I make a point to go in and answer the dms and talk to the people and talk.

1:09:39 Speaker 3: To the girls.

1:09:40 Speaker 2: So yes, it will really be me and you DM and you know, commenting and all of that. You can also Threads has also been like my new favorite place. So I've been hanging out around a lot on Threads and still your cheek is showing, And then you can go to our website your sheek is showing dot com. I'm trying to make this easy for all of you all to see all of the late stuff that we're doing, the latest events, and make sure you subscribe to our email list because our email list, which you can do it on the website.

1:10:08 Speaker 2: You can do it from our instagram. She could do it from our friends. You can put an email list in all the places. But they're the first ones that find out about any collaborations we're doing, any events that we're doing, any sales that we're doing, any just like I do shopping guides for people, and we do everything from high end, some more accessible, but we email shopping like all of that stuff. But make sure you're on the email list, because you're gonna get the good good and you're gonna.

1:10:32 Speaker 3: Get it first.

1:10:33 Speaker 1: Yes, please be on the email list, y'all and get into it with Erica and her business and brand. Or she could shown she made sure and my wife looked fantastic and it was looking real bleak. During the wedding time, man, me and my wife were actually just reminiscing on like what's our wedding was actually not very fun. We actually had a terrible tame I'm planning it. It was just a lot of stress consistently, Like her parents came in and they were asas sixteen and she is very much.

1:10:59 Speaker 2: Like half that.

1:11:00 Speaker 3: Like, yeah, yeah, it was a lot of things.

1:11:03 Speaker 1: But listen, Erica made it work, made it do what it do. And I was like, and I couldn't have no hand in it, and I make everything work and I don't know how, but it did not.

1:11:12 Speaker 3: We kept you, We kept you in the dark.

1:11:15 Speaker 2: But it was one of my most so word clients, one of the best experiences.

1:11:19 Speaker 3: I loved it.

1:11:20 Speaker 1: I'm so grateful for you and so thankful for you to come on and get into it with these fashions. Listen, I was like, I'm watching Potomac, but I am on this red carpet and I'm on this Instagram and E is giving a lot of glad box the people that don't need slow motions of these.

1:11:34 Speaker 6: Things podcast episode, Okay, like please like soone and you can tell when they're a little shady because they'd be like someone so just arrived and they're just like hard eyes.

1:11:49 Speaker 1: In a moment, like and not look stunning, not stunning, just here, you know, el Fanning is here and her dress was terrible. So there you go. Listen, y'all, thank you so much for listening. A lot more random episodes coming to you in the middle of the week, because again we're trying to get this coin. Shout out to all the machine just happening in our government because your girl is out of a job again. But it's fine because we have more time to talk, more time to get into this. But also the podcast is has new representation, New Hope, new Blood, so we finally have joined the network.

1:12:28 Speaker 1: We're really excited about it and we're gonna get into this. So you're gonna just like Kendrick, We're gonna be popping up on your every day, like, hey, let's and when I saw these looks, I said, oh, we need to talk about this because what difference is we're all thinking the same thing. So from our couches, from our pjs, from our snuggies and blankets, let's judge the looks together. Guys. Thanks for you know, listening. Shout out to everyone who has been writing reviews and trying to get me back on the charts and things lately and following.

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