The Mix w/Kara—Secret Lives of Mormon Wives Recap

0:16 Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, Hello, Hello, beautiful and wonderful mixologists out there. It is your girl Money and you're in the mix with Money and Cara Berry from everyone's business but mine, which is still, I think, to this day even above my own, the most iconic podcast name ever.

0:43 Speaker 2: It's just because that's.

0:44 Speaker 1: Literally the vibe that is on her show. But that's like what I live by. Literally anybody else's business but my one. Because we don't got a lot of drama going on in my house.

0:55 Speaker 2: We're chilling and.

0:56 Speaker 1: I like it just like that. But everybody else, let's talk about it. And for our subject today, I could not have anybody else other than Kara. Thank you so much for coming back on. It's been a minute. I'm so glad you're here.

1:09 Speaker 3: It's been like two minutes. I'm so happy to be back. Yeah, we have a lot to talk about.

1:15 Speaker 2: Girl.

1:16 Speaker 3: I'm like that scene from Me and Girls, Like I can't stop talking about it.

1:20 Speaker 1: Yeah, I like the more I was talking about it, the more I was like hoping someone will bring it up, Like I don't know else to text about the secret lives of Mormon wives. If you didn't know, that's what we're talking about. That is what we are freaking talking about today.

1:36 Speaker 2: I am out of people to tell.

1:38 Speaker 1: I know my mom won't watch, and I'm still like debating should I just be like, just you won't get it, you won't understand anything, but you just see if you have the same draw dropping moments that I do. Like when they just slide the fact that they do ketamine in there and then start spelling other people's secrets. I'm just like, like, Utah is a wild fucking place and.

2:05 Speaker 3: We need to start really mentioning it all about that, because yeah, be out here, wow on the fuck out and they're just like living and it's like almost like do we live in the same country, because.

2:17 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like this is not it's not a real place. It can't be a real place. It Like it's so interesting.

2:25 Speaker 1: It's like the contrast of the white snow white people status quo. Like all the girls look the same, that's like the whole trope.

2:36 Speaker 2: Like all these.

2:37 Speaker 1: Young mommy blogger type they want to like there's like a carbon copy photo that they take to beauty lab and laser and ask for that, like they want that book of each other. But like that contrasted with like all the weird nuances because of rules and their workarounds of the rules. Uh so there's like soda shops like so like not old school but like modern coffee house vibes like go in and get a doctor Pepper mix up, Like what is happening?

3:15 Speaker 2: Like it's not a real place.

3:19 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean like speaking like the need to be a part, Like I really thought that that was mostly like a Heather Gay insecurity thing, but like, come to find out, not only do they want it, they like I think it's ridiculous that you wouldn't want to look exactly like your homegirl next to you and the homegirl next to her. That really was eye opening for me.

3:39 Speaker 1: Yeah, because in their mind it's like, well, we know the prototype works. We know that it's very stepfort wives, and we know this is what sells. This is where we are, Like, this is what makes even being traditional wives like you know, tradwives, Mormon wives, whatever, this is what makes like it okay to do that because we look modern and we look cute, and we have highlights and we're zesty and we still listen to hip hop and we know how to work and that's okay. And so they have to just redo the same formula over and over and over because they're like, we know it works, and to be honest, it does.

4:19 Speaker 1: They are all they all look the same, They all do the exact same content literally together. It looks like Alabama Rush talk when they all look alike, and they all still are making like exorbitant amounts of money off of doing what they're doing even though it all looks the same.

4:38 Speaker 2: So apparently in bloom or whoever really.

4:41 Speaker 1: Lights like beach waves highlights and duck lips with no parts. Yeah, two Tululemon sports bra and comfy you know leggings like combo.

4:56 Speaker 3: And I really I also want to unpack the pnant belly exposure, like what's gone? Like I don't care, Like I'm not, I don't.

5:06 Speaker 1: Care, but I didn't know it was like the thing you're bringing, Like it's like you're a little it's like either you have a little lemon like fanny pack or a belly.

5:15 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it almost feels like a flex to have, like a perfect no stretch mark belly, Like I I gotta show that off.

5:23 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like it's not even weird flex but okay, like it's a nice flex.

5:27 Speaker 2: Like there are a lot of one people are like, god damn it.

5:29 Speaker 1: Like if I could have wore crop tops and a cute Lulu and all my Lulu slats, I would have had a nice time, Like my athletic sports brawl was not fitting over that, Like and I understand that makes so much sense, But so how did we get here? I famously like how did you find mom Talk? And the how we how we got to this show? Like did you already know about it? Did you find out about it? I mean you cover all the best pop culture and all the TV shows, but like where did your journey start specifically with mom Talk to leading to this show?

6:07 Speaker 3: Definitely with the Swinger scandal, Like I'm always on TikTok, but I'm not on the we're dancing the QTc kind of stuff, like their brand of TikTok is not in that neck of the.

6:20 Speaker 2: Woods my algorithm at all.

6:22 Speaker 3: But you were talking about being a little hoe. Oh that will be on my for you page, so that like, okay, let's talk about this woman. I really wasn't sure like racially what was going on with Taylor. So I'm like, oh, here's this like ethnically ambiguous woman who is just admitting that you know, the girls that you see me doing a to count with are also the ones who were, you know, hooking up with my husband and vice versa. And also I took things a little bit too far. We're playing, you know, had sausage and that was against the rules and I'm like, okay, well yeah, I know.

7:07 Speaker 1: But seriously, I think for me it was kind of the same you know, famously friends to the show where a mom'sa Bravo. Vanessa and Abby we're doing like a deep dive because they're on mom talk, which would make sense. They're both moms, they're cool moms, and like that content like fell into their world right, and it was and remarkably in kind of like a weird, like comical way, like in a laughing at sometimes because it's sometimes ridiculous that these women just dance around and put questions and answers like that no one really asked or wanted to know, right captions while they're doing a dance, like that's really all it is.

7:45 Speaker 1: There's nothing, you know, there's no new content that's actually happening. They're not making skits and songs and anything like that. So they were like kind of in like a mocking way of like, look, at these vives, these moms doing these things, but they're having a nice time and then boom scandal. And my thing is if you're telling somebody's secrets or if you say story time on my fo you page, that's it's happening. Like both both this came to my for you page and Resa Tisa who tot I marry, like, I want you to spell secrets, tell me a scandal.

8:18 Speaker 1: I'm always down for a story time. And they started covering the whole swinging community of these Mormon wives soft swinging as Taylor called it, and I think that piqued everyone's interest, like what the hell is soft swinging.

8:33 Speaker 3: Like with a couple named Tate and Taylor like oh wow, you know?

8:40 Speaker 1: And you know? And also I think it was refreshing, which I never understood why Taylor got you know, she was the villain because she exposed everyone, and I guess that was you know. The big fallout is that everyone nobody wanted to be associated with the soft swinging because obviously it's not of the rules, right, So they all distanced themselves from Taylor distiness and social knows rumors and Taylor was like, girl, I have all the evidence don't ever play me, play with yourself like I will expose all.

9:08 Speaker 2: Of you right now. And it was.

9:10 Speaker 1: It caused a whole fallout and the cameras didn't even come into play until quite some time after, which is why there was like as Taylor and all this was happening, they quickly got a brand deal, like a deal to do the show, and I imagine that's why so many people welcomed her back into the fold.

9:30 Speaker 3: But we heard that they signed on to six seasons.

9:37 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, heard.

9:39 Speaker 1: I'm like, thank you Mormon gods. We I immediately after season about fifth episode, I said, we need a season two. I already know I'm not gonna wrap up well.

9:51 Speaker 3: During cameras up by the end of the month.

9:54 Speaker 2: I need them up right now.

9:56 Speaker 3: I deally the end of the week, right, I deal the end of the week.

9:59 Speaker 2: I wanted.

9:59 Speaker 1: I really wanted to get everyone's, like people's I want their reactions to the show.

10:06 Speaker 3: One thing I will say about Whitney, and we have a lot to talk about her, but one thing I will say, and it's probably going to be the last nice thing I say about her, is that she did say it would be pretty like a really great idea for them to get cameras up right now while we're feeling all the emotions of the reactions of people and like, you know, and like, I'm with you, girl, You're absolutely right.

10:27 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think maybe producers wanted to settle and they want to see how it goes to all of their heads, and so yeah, they're waiting out, you know, as it settles down, probably like after the holidays, then they'll probably pick cameras back up and we'll actually see a lot of character development for a lot of these women who realize like who the villains are, who the fans are. Like I'm curious to see what a second season for like someone like Demi looks like, because she came off really well this season.

11:00 Speaker 1: And you know, you either live, you know long what is it long enough to be a hero or.

11:07 Speaker 2: Die a hero living to be a villain.

11:09 Speaker 3: I was thinking that exact same thing. Every time I see somebody that I like on a reality show, low key, I want to DM them and be like, don't do anything, don't change, don't let like I'm gonna tell you I love you, but you gotta let that shit go. Put it in the trash can. Because once you get a big head about this. It's over and it's.

11:28 Speaker 2: Rue, it's ruined.

11:30 Speaker 1: Like I am even curious to see how Taylor, you know, comes off because on TikTok and Everything, Taylor was the villain because she was outing everybody's you know, business, which in real life, like real life money understands that if you spill my internet my business on the internet, and you know we have a large Internet following, that's nasty, Like I don't like that, don't do that to me. But also he's women to calm down. No one gives a fuck of your soft swinging or not, like we don't care. And Taylor, out of herself has had to be an affair.

11:59 Speaker 1: She was like, we tried to switch partners like more intimately and they were like and didn't love it, and they said they thought that was the end of it. It wasn't.

12:08 Speaker 2: No, we kept.

12:10 Speaker 1: Going And so I understand that part. But on the show she actually came across really really well. And I wonder how that will even play out in another season of Like she wasn't the villain the first season, but will she be now that Whitney is like, I don't I don't imagine a good much of anything for Whitney after this season alone, because that woman had a tough time.

12:36 Speaker 2: She had a very tough time.

12:39 Speaker 3: Gosh, but I truly think that this is just like how Whitney is because yeah, like you're right, Like, I think we all went into this thinking that Taylor was going to be the villain from yeah to episode eight and she was just gonna be a disaster, and really she was just in her own worst enemy, you know.

12:59 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean really she was just like an excellent foil for Dakota.

13:03 Speaker 2: Like that's all it was.

13:07 Speaker 3: Right, Like, Taylor really just hurt herself. She wasn't terribly malicious towards everybody else. Whitney run around be a little demon in a hair flip.

13:17 Speaker 2: Yeah, first of all, the hair.

13:20 Speaker 1: Okay, let me just say, for anyone who's on the fence about this show, Whitney won't make sense, it will sound like an insufferable reason to not watch. I'm here to remind you there is no reason to not watch. She is absolutely a reason to watch. Because of how insufferable she is going to sound. I just also want to remind people that Whitney. Yep, first of all, for all the husbands, you have to suspend your suspicions of their sexuality, and remind yourselves. One, we can't clock anybody's true, but if we could, we have to remember there is a different set of rules that the people are playing.

14:08 Speaker 2: With over there in Utah, Okay.

14:11 Speaker 1: So they're in a different kind of sexual repression where maybe if we notice something, they may may they may not have, or they have and may not want us to.

14:23 Speaker 3: So yeah, it feels like case scenario is that you are able to acknowledge, but you're still going to be in a heterosexual relationship.

14:36 Speaker 1: Like yes, but it's there are definitely some instances where I'm like, I think that every time you're pregnant, you think it's going to make us believe.

14:46 Speaker 2: Your spouse is a heterosexual person.

14:50 Speaker 1: Correct, And I worry that that is the most you can do and still not enough. And I worry allso so that your body doing all of that to make that kind of proof.

15:05 Speaker 2: Wow, like wow, because I'm.

15:07 Speaker 1: Pregnant, he obviously had to have sex with me, And yeah, it's still giving girl what you don't want it to. I just need some of these women to know you can spot.

15:20 Speaker 4: The diffy like hell, and now he said it, and we said it, and the wild thing is like, I was really sitting there thinking about it, and I think Whitney might be the only wife that we see on the show that uh is not married as a result of a pregnancy that happened when they were a teenager.

15:41 Speaker 2: Oh of course not.

15:43 Speaker 3: I think she's really the only one in the cast who did not have a baby.

15:46 Speaker 1: No accidents happening there, I promise anytime that they have done the act of procreation practice or probably just pro creation,

16:00 Speaker 1: they have everyone had full understanding of what they were doing and it was not an accident and it was on purpose.

16:09 Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean even Whitney talking about their first night, their wedding night, and she positions it as though like, well, this is a result of my mom not teaching me about sex, which is true, like obviously we know that the sex education is animal. But also she was like describing it as like a horror movie and then a comedy, And then you look at her husband and you're like, yeah.

16:37 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I would like more on Whitney.

16:41 Speaker 2: I need more background to information.

16:43 Speaker 3: Yeah, Like every feeling of no, no, no that you're having when we talk about Whitney is going to be the reason why you should watch it.

16:53 Speaker 1: Exactly because I have watched it, and even in review and reflection myself right now I'm like, actually, I do need a second season of her and possibly a spinoff. And I'm not joking. It's a there's a there's a quirkiness there. I'll kim zosiac, but like in a different way of like what's going on? I just I think her husband had like more different looks and hair situations than Whitney did.

17:21 Speaker 3: A new unit every episode, sometimes twice an episode, So what is this episode?

17:28 Speaker 1: There were different pieces getting laid them, edges were edging, and the leave out was leaving out, and it was like, okay, very nice, he said, the cameras are here. I got to turn it on. I'm like, get shows today, thaking of getting shows. Whitney is the greatest friend pick me I've ever seen, correct.

17:52 Speaker 3: My word, and the way she won't acknowledge it, she will.

17:58 Speaker 1: Not Like I I made a meme of like my thoughts that have if you haven't watched, have very little context, but like if you have, they are probably fantastically spot on for how you experienced it too, I hope. But the Whitney one of like an empty room every time she announces that she's leaving the group, because by my calculation, it's like four times in one season that she left the mom Talk group and was disappointed. Then no one either threw a funeral like a sad grievance party or called to check on her from her own decision.

18:35 Speaker 3: Her name might start with W, but all she was doing was taken l's like.

18:39 Speaker 1: El els Kara, and then she took us on a goat farm, like what are you doing?

18:47 Speaker 2: The producers were pissed.

18:48 Speaker 1: You know they're not Bravo producers because they actually had to go, because Bravo producers will quickly be like, man, we are not going to split up the crew, the van, the snacks and all of that to go because you don't want to with the group.

19:01 Speaker 3: I was truly cackling when she was truly like like Will Smith in the living room, like wow, they want me man like hands in her pockets and all of a sudden we turned into Nur Smith. We're making gram crackers and animal crackers straight out the oven. We're acting like we want to have chickens. And she's like, you're scrambling real bad, because so bad. But nobody likes you, and.

19:30 Speaker 1: They're what they're not going to do, girl, is follow your journey into being a full on trad wife.

19:34 Speaker 2: They're not.

19:35 Speaker 3: If they were gonna do that, they'd get Nara Smith.

19:38 Speaker 1: Yeah, they would have gotten some actual, you know, nice problematic trad wives that are or whatever her name is. Yeah, the girl he's on TikTok who like to say the N word, chicken Sally.

19:57 Speaker 2: I've always been confused when she did that. I was like, what is this? How is this relevant to the salad you're making?

20:04 Speaker 3: I don't want to know why am I in it?

20:08 Speaker 1: Now?

20:09 Speaker 2: I just got here? Oh my god, I just wanted to click.

20:13 Speaker 1: I let your hair tie, and I wanted to know where you got it and what you were making.

20:17 Speaker 2: And I'm being assaulted.

20:19 Speaker 1: That's too Like, so we don't want to follow that journey, Whitney. But let me tell you the whole situation of like I'm going to She kept escalating it every time, thinking that it would get a different reaction. And what is the definition of insanity? I want to remind people, Okay, because first she's like, I'm leaving the group chat and that she was really wanted someone and Kara helped me understand, was it too.

20:50 Speaker 2: She wanted someone to.

20:51 Speaker 1: Check on her that she was okay after she left the group chat.

20:59 Speaker 3: Well, she left, not because she wanted any sort of attention. However, right, if the shoe was on the other foot, she would immediately have called that person. But that's not what she wanted or expected. She didn't want the attention, but she would have given other people attention if it had not been her. That's that's all.

21:19 Speaker 1: She's right, right, So she would have just been nosy, and she was disappointed no one did the same.

21:24 Speaker 3: He would have been a good friend. Okay, if you guys don't want to do that, that's totally fun.

21:28 Speaker 2: That would have been a good friend.

21:29 Speaker 1: Who would have spilled your secrets after doing ketamine with another friend. She ain't spelled her own secrets. She spelled other people's secrets. That's terrible, but iconic, like that's true housewives behavior. Not she got loose and sit and I got some I got some tea for you. But yeah, no, just because she said that that didn't happen. That's exactly what happened, and it also helped me. Then she unfollowed everyone and actually wanted people to call her and basically asked why they why she was unfollowing them.

22:06 Speaker 3: Yeah, the people that she was very repeatedly saying were not her friends. They're not her friends that they're only doing mom talk for the greater good. They are not my friends. But why aren't they calling me? I don't they want me? Man?

22:20 Speaker 1: Calling you for what you said you don't want to be a Did you not say that?

22:24 Speaker 3: Like I kept I don't it and I and I don't. But I just think it's weird that you didn't call me, Okay, like I don't want attention, but why didn't you?

22:33 Speaker 1: Also, the girls, it's actually sad because the girls are in the confessionals pretty much being like it actually sucks the Whitney isn't here, and they're thinking they're respecting your boundaries because you keep putting them up, but they're performative and they're not real.

22:46 Speaker 3: So but they're also clocking her for that, which I loved, like that, loved that all of her were like, we see that she's literally just like a child, like taking her toys and leaving and then standing on the other side of the the lawn and waited.

23:01 Speaker 2: Like hello, stop her. Why has no one come in? To God to get me, asked me to stay.

23:08 Speaker 3: I guess I'm leaving now right now, like okay.

23:11 Speaker 2: Bye, there's twenty three of us.

23:13 Speaker 3: Okay, well right.

23:17 Speaker 1: Like there's I love it every single time a different woman is on the screen, because there's so many of them and they all look alike, they have to put their agent name just to remind you all that, yes, the twenty two year old does have more sense than this twenty eight year old.

23:32 Speaker 3: For whatever reason, Jenn her full government name or her husband's government name, and you know, God bless her for that.

23:44 Speaker 2: This is not a good year for the Aflac family.

23:48 Speaker 3: Not a good year to be a Jen Affleck, specifically.

23:51 Speaker 1: Specifically, the wrong Jen Affleck.

23:57 Speaker 2: God divorced.

24:01 Speaker 3: The wrong one, went to the courthouse the wrong one.

24:05 Speaker 1: If you do not know what we are talking about, apparently there's like a distant cousin of Ben Affleck who lives in Utah and is there with his prisoner, I mean wife.

24:20 Speaker 3: I have a quick question, so sorry to interrupt. By distant cousin, do you mean like he's still in the process of evolving into a human because he looks like he's in the middle, or did you just mean likes.

24:33 Speaker 1: I just been in there, and you know, distant cousins the.

24:39 Speaker 2: Right.

24:39 Speaker 1: The creature of which he resembles might be a result of some of those surgeries that are happening in the prisons.

24:47 Speaker 2: I don't know.

24:49 Speaker 3: He looks like the evolution of man, like the third one.

24:52 Speaker 1: And we are only roasting this man so hard and so heavy, so fast, so early, because he is the worst husband.

25:00 Speaker 3: He's ugly on the outside, and that's why we get to call him Ugly's ugly on the inside, and that's why we get to call him.

25:06 Speaker 1: Oh. I was perfectly fine with how you said it. I was like, sure, harsh, but that's exactly what I would have said.

25:12 Speaker 2: That's that's it.

25:13 Speaker 1: He's ugly on the outside, and it is because he's ugly on the inside. There is never I've never seen a more controlling, ridiculous, man like excuse for a man. And in his own he's lucky he has this religion to fall back on.

25:26 Speaker 3: Oh my, the way I mean, he is like the most miserable type of man that you could ever imagine, clearly propped up by his family and all the success. And here he is number four in this generation of surgeons apparently, and he hasn't had to do anything, Like he hasn't had to work, he hasn't had to be emotionally accountable, he hasn't had to like be nice to anybody. And the wild thing is like he chooses that life, like he could be an adult and rise above and be kind and respectful to his wife, but he's like, I don't have to and I'm not gonna no.

26:08 Speaker 1: Matter how it makes me look. Like the true definition of a narcissist is thinking that is like not trying to clean even clean up your act in front of company, Like that's crazy to me, Like you were actively wild and controlling to this woman in front of our faces.

26:25 Speaker 2: And the girls enough and ugly and ugly, poor girl.

26:32 Speaker 3: There's like, I mean, it's for all the housewives husbands that we have had to endure endoor. He's up there.

26:40 Speaker 2: He is up there and young. He's like what twenty five twenty six.

26:44 Speaker 3: He did his big one for real and.

26:47 Speaker 1: So like especially because one Jen's mom talk money that he is so upset about because he's so insecure, is helping put him through his gambling addiction and medical school.

27:00 Speaker 3: Hello, keeping that hair gel in his hair.

27:04 Speaker 1: His parents gave him money for medical school and to help with their life and expenses like their fucking children. Yeah, like to help with his life, and he gambled it away.

27:17 Speaker 3: Leaving his pregnant wife to you know, go t work on a kitchen island to make ends meat so they can eat ramen noodles. And you got the nerve to be ungrateful okay.

27:30 Speaker 1: Like it makes no sense, and didn't try to control what she does with it when she does it all those things like it makes I can't even like understand the thought process other than you truly have a mental health issue happening. There is a narcissism personality disorder there. And I'm no psychologist, but let me it's a it's bad. Like you are all of twenty five years old. This woman is twenty four years old and she wants to go to Vegas. They don't even drink kara. They don't drink, they don't gamble, they don't do anything.

28:04 Speaker 1: She just wants to go out with the girlies make some content to make money for your addiction.

28:11 Speaker 2: One. You can't even.

28:13 Speaker 1: Trust her to go away with her ten best friends who are always tiktoking and recording something because you're so afraid of what she would do, because you know you would be probably doing some messed up stuff, and so you have to escort her down to with your other abusive buddy, escort her down to Las Vegas, so that on a girl's trip, and you are not a girl. I do not like when the men get into the bitch shit. I don't like that.

28:39 Speaker 2: It's very peter of you.

28:41 Speaker 1: It's I don't like that. Where's Nini when you need her to call you out of your being a damn bitch? And then she's there. They go to a Chippendale's thing.

28:53 Speaker 2: Yes, I too. My mouth was a game.

28:55 Speaker 1: I said, whoa, that's risky for the Mormon girls chicken dales. But they went to Chippendale's. They did not even sit in the booth yet. No, and he is threatening the divorce. I said, you've gotta be kidding me.

29:12 Speaker 3: While they're backstage, Layla, the only single one is trying to have a decent time oiling down these Chippendale dancers. And Jen's in a corner like my marriage.

29:25 Speaker 1: Thinking her family is about to be broken up because she got on a bush, likely contractually obligated, like.

29:32 Speaker 3: You just want you hate her, hate her.

29:36 Speaker 1: You hate her because you know she contractually obligated to go, and that she did not know where it was because it was not her trip, and they wanted it to be, you know, jaw dropping, which it was. But we did not expect a divorce. And I think that we saw that on Taylor's face when she was comforting her and yelling at her and calling her all types of things and questioning her character and the other of her, his children and all the things, and saying's gonna divorce.

30:04 Speaker 2: Her, and she seems like.

30:07 Speaker 1: Unfortunately, Jim seemed to just digest it as like yes, he's gonna do this, and Taylor was like, I'm sorry.

30:13 Speaker 3: What when even taylorned.

30:20 Speaker 1: She said, no, ma'am, if dakoda, I'm waiting for Dakoda. I also made a meme of Taylor is looking for anybody to call the hotline to get her out of this relationship. He's like, please call if you or someone you know has slept with my boyfriend, and no matter what amount of time it's been well to decide the statue of limitation, Please call today at one eight hundred.

30:44 Speaker 2: Get me out of here.

30:45 Speaker 3: Like the wind blows. Oh, my god. This sobody say the CODEA cheated on me?

30:51 Speaker 2: Right now?

30:52 Speaker 3: Is that what you said?

30:55 Speaker 1: I don't know how to tell her this and Taylor's like thank god.

31:01 Speaker 3: Like do you want me to break up with them? Like, just say it and I'll do it. I'll do it right now, I'll.

31:05 Speaker 2: Do Is that what you said? You said? Break up? You two? My other favorite podcasts to read.

31:14 Speaker 1: They typically have like merchandise and says break up with him, And I think I'm just waiting for her to do her big one and put that one.

31:24 Speaker 3: Put it on Dakota. They could do a little dance together on TikTok.

31:27 Speaker 1: Yeah, like, oh my god, Dakota situation for a different time.

31:32 Speaker 2: But Zach and.

31:34 Speaker 1: Jen aflack the fact that he would threaten divorce because she went with the girls to Chippendale's, did not stay, didn't get drunk.

31:42 Speaker 2: You're hurt this right.

31:43 Speaker 1: She didn't touch them, she did not talk to She literally avoided them like the freaking plague because she was so uncomfortable. She tried to say no to that. She said no to the TikTok, but she didn't advertise that she was there. But she wanted to tell her husband and He then ghost her for somewhat of like a bunch of ten hours and he just goes away.

32:05 Speaker 3: And just long enough for him to gamble all the money she gave them away.

32:09 Speaker 1: Yes, he asked for money before they left on this trip, which he did not need, and because he did not need to.

32:16 Speaker 2: Go and there, she gave.

32:20 Speaker 1: Him that money and he gambled it all the way because he was upset and he was looking for a reason to go and gamble and piss her off.

32:28 Speaker 3: Yeah, I know. He was sitting at that Crabs table with chips in one hand and the phone and the other just being like, I hate you. Look at how embarrassing you are sending her Venmo requests, but also being like, how dare you? You're ashamed of my family? Can I get another fifty dollars? Okay, I'm broke? Okay, well meet me here otherwise we're divorcing.

32:51 Speaker 1: Yeah, And essentially that's what happened. He left at one thirty, she gets a Ubert.

32:55 Speaker 2: Two real wow, ruined, Like it's so it.

33:02 Speaker 1: Was so crazy, Like I couldn't even focus on Dakota being, you know, a hovering piece of shit, because all he wants Dakota is so upset that Taylor just got divorced, because if she was a little bit younger.

33:19 Speaker 2: And not divorced.

33:20 Speaker 1: Before, and you didn't already know what it felt like to be in a marriage where you don't have like trust and things like that, no matter what your background is or what your religion states, he would have gotten her to marry him by.

33:33 Speaker 3: Now, buddy in his hands.

33:34 Speaker 2: Yep, you're right, and he is so upset that she has a clue.

33:40 Speaker 3: I'm trying to wonder. I'm curious about his background, like has he not been married before, because you know, given the culture, he seems a little old to have not had to ring on it before. Yeah, for what's going on with you.

33:54 Speaker 1: Dakota, Right, And she just also like she just got divorced, it's fresh. He does not want to enter into a marriage that can end up that way again, like she doesn't want to be in that situation, and that's actually quite reasonable.

34:09 Speaker 2: It helps that he is also a piece.

34:12 Speaker 1: Of shit, Yeah, and very controlling as well. Tooks full took full opportunity while she's three months or nine months pregnant in her third trimester and could deliver any day, to take her down to Vegas. As well, which gave Zach the end to go with jen Affleck. And that's not fair because now Taylor can't even have a nice time. What do you think she's gonna get into our pregnant Oh, I want to be there case she goes into labor at any moment, Sir. As quickly as it was able, you were able to go down with her.

34:46 Speaker 1: You were also able to get there. If she had went into labor, it would have been okay, it would.

34:50 Speaker 3: Have been totally fine. And like, we do have to mention that Dakota does have substance of abous issues, so him going to Vegas probably have been.

35:00 Speaker 2: Both of them are triggering crazy.

35:02 Speaker 3: Then him being on sand a lot less reasonable than you waiting in Utah for her. Their relationship is so wild because he is he makes no bones about stressing her the fuck out, even when she's crowning, being like I want this relationship, Why don't you give me things emotionally? And you could just see the light drain out of her eyes the longer.

35:30 Speaker 1: I keep getting confessions that you sleep with people.

35:33 Speaker 2: Yes, it's problematic.

35:37 Speaker 1: If you want me to marry you, I can't trust you. And he keeps asking it, like, why she won't. He's like, I'm committed to all of this and she's like, well, I'm telling you don't be because I don't trust you. I'm not beating around the bush as to why she's doing this, not at all. She's like, hey, guess what got another confession or accusation and that you did some shit? You want to explain your way out of this one?

36:04 Speaker 4: Yeap?

36:05 Speaker 3: And can we talk about her mom?

36:07 Speaker 2: Yo?

36:08 Speaker 3: Wow? Leanne confirmed icon I said that Taylor's like Kristen Dody and Leanne is like Stacy's mom and the dynamic between them is so wild.

36:23 Speaker 1: Yes, because Kristin Doty is actually yeah, tailor is definitely a Christen Doty type, more sober.

36:30 Speaker 2: She's a sober Christian.

36:31 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, just living one one man after the other. Yeah, I end up pregnant. Who cares?

36:37 Speaker 2: We really getting?

36:38 Speaker 1: You know, she's like the Mormon Kristin Doty, Like she just keeps getting, Like Kristin just keeps finding a long term boyfriend to like live in boyfriend and keeps finding somebody to like have a baby with and love and.

36:51 Speaker 3: Mary ones that don't make sense. Who cares? Just back the truck up in the driveway moving. I don't care.

36:57 Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, why not just got out of get a man out of one house? Why not welcome another?

37:02 Speaker 3: Look, I don't care. I don't care.

37:04 Speaker 2: And yeah, No, Leanne is absolutely legendary.

37:07 Speaker 3: She's iconic. She does not care. Like she won't be like sweetie, I don't know. She'll look at her nine months pregnant daughter and be like, you should never have gotten pregnant in the first place.

37:20 Speaker 2: That was past it.

37:23 Speaker 3: It's too late, mom, Like.

37:25 Speaker 2: Come on, hey, but I do have to admit.

37:27 Speaker 1: Twice twice I said, damn, you really hate to see it, like you really hate to see.

37:36 Speaker 2: She's gonna love the shit out of that baby.

37:38 Speaker 1: But let me tell you, she only had that baby because she truly believes that she.

37:42 Speaker 2: Wanted to have that baby.

37:45 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and would love that baby and be a mom like she likes being a mom because there was I could tell he never probably entered the equation for her.

37:58 Speaker 3: No, this is all just part of the chaos that she craves of. Like I had this swinging scandal and then I divorced, and then I'm finding this big eyed weirdo and then like we're falling in love or having sex or whatever, and you know, we have a baby. Then there's a miscarriage, but she's still feeling like, oh, she's still shaky with mom talks. So she's riding high with this again big eyed weirdo. And then they're like, yeah, let's have another baby. And then finally her life starts getting a little bit more stable and she's like, oh, oh, yeah, that I have tethered myself to him.

38:33 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think.

38:34 Speaker 1: I kind of built that stability on a little bit of quicksand there. So and so, the a couple of sinkholes happening, like he's still around because you pulled him around, and now you want to get rid of him, and it looks so bad, so toxic. It does feel like we are Kristin and Tom. I have not seen a relationship mirror Kristin and Tom since like this when they are fighting on the way to the car, they could not get into the car because they were just fighting.

39:07 Speaker 2: Taylor and in.

39:09 Speaker 1: Dakota and literally Zach and Jen have to be like, do you want to finish this conversation on the road because we gotta go right it's a four hour drive that might be traffic.

39:21 Speaker 3: The second half of the season of just those two couples being like, y'all are fucked up, Damn they're crazy. Then they're crazy, then they end up getting in fights because they're actually the crazier couple.

39:31 Speaker 1: It's yeah, it's a it's a It's literally like a pissing contest of who can be more toxic and chaotic. Yep, and I don't know who wins. Every episode is something new, it really wins. We won, yeah for real, Like wow, because you know they are fighting all the time, and now she's like, I'm genuinely worried every time that they have a conversation because also maybe it's this is a narcissistic like but all I'm gonna be the straight man thing.

40:01 Speaker 2: They're getting a lot away.

40:02 Speaker 1: With a lot with these pretty girls because these girls like men and have to marry men, and they're they need them to feel that, like to believe that because if you pop up at my Airbnb while I am pregnant and I did not call you here, and you walked through the house.

40:24 Speaker 3: And there's a Labya's only sign on the front door, did you not read? Can you not read?

40:31 Speaker 2: It's on the door?

40:35 Speaker 3: The way Demmy or Jesse I'm not sure, just kept getting more and more upset, and I'm like, I don't want men around. Why don't we get this?

40:45 Speaker 1: It's true because there's nothing worse than being like on a girl's trip or on a trip and that person like that, it's one person that you can't stand is there and doesn't it wasn't gonna be or something like that, and then it up like they probably would not have wanted any men there. Sure, But more than that, they don't like da Kota or is that they know that they're the most control, Like they're really uncomfortable with the fact that they're there, and their husbands are not like what is wrong with you?

41:16 Speaker 3: Right right? Patriarchy?

41:20 Speaker 1: The other men are genuinely like, I don't care have fun by I mean, I'm going to play NBA two K and make sure the baby go to their parents my parents' house.

41:32 Speaker 3: There were points when, you know, like Whitney and Connor were having to do their own little side show that Connor would try to talk sense into Whitney and be like, are you sure that this is the path you really want to go down? And she'd be like, yeah, I do, yeah, And he said I would have talked to Connor. I would have kicked it with Connor.

41:49 Speaker 1: Yeah, He's like are you are you sure about that? And Whitney isn't. She has ideas and I want to say they're like overbait, which for her makes sense.

42:02 Speaker 2: Follow me.

42:03 Speaker 1: I think that if she were to make a cast for all, it would be overbaked, very dry, not good, you know what I mean, Like it's too done. It's too overthought and too overdone. It have like either too many seasonings or so many different ingredients and enough seasonings that kind of thing.

42:21 Speaker 2: Unenjoyable.

42:22 Speaker 3: Definitely not enough seasonings. But I like the option that she might put too many.

42:27 Speaker 1: That was nice to fe Well, you know, maybe she likes solid TikTok. You know they do that now and they put everything in their cabinet in there and then you know, God bless the poem people. They she has these ideas and they're so like they're not half baked, they're just ridiculous, so right, like they go so or what does it left?

42:50 Speaker 2: They go so left?

42:51 Speaker 1: That like how you think that's how we got to where Her controversy even starts with one putting a spatula and her husband's ass because he was on Tender while she was pregnant, which he also No one's accusing him of only doing that as a stunt, because having a cheating scandal still a does mean you are heterosexual.

43:23 Speaker 3: For an addiction that only seemed to manifest in sending nudes to people on Tender.

43:31 Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, So anyways he's doing that, and so she puts a spatula ups. But if I can have you, no one will. Okay, strike and choice number one too. She goes like extra viral in a very controversial way.

43:54 Speaker 2: I'm gonna make light of it because it is.

43:55 Speaker 1: It weirds me out, like it just weirds me out, so I have to make jokes about it. It's how I cope in therapy. It's fine. She makes a video a TikTok of herself dancing with like tears in her eyes, dancing next to her baby who was in the hospital with RSV in like the ICU or something in the tubes are in this baby's nose and we can see them, we can see the baby in the tubes, and she is dropping it like it's hot right there next to the baby's plastic basting at in the hospital.

44:36 Speaker 2: And let me tell you. The people had words. They were not fans.

44:44 Speaker 1: White women said oh bitch, enough, okay, enough of you.

44:50 Speaker 2: I've had it. This goes against everything.

44:55 Speaker 1: The like the mom Talk girls were like, oh my god, cloud Chaser, I was like, wait what, Oh my gosh.

45:02 Speaker 3: The way that it comes out on the show is hilarious because we find out and like the very first few episodes that one of the reasons why Whitney is so upset is because she feels like people rallied around Taylor and her hoeing and showing well her.

45:22 Speaker 1: They forgave Taylor as right, that was her thing that people forgave her, but they did not forgive Whitney, which I'm at a loss for the connections. Yeah, one also brought us a show and a TV deal. Hell yeah, we forgave her. Because if you think that anybody's production company worthy of note that could get to deal with Hulu would want to do a show about the woman who danced next to the RSV, they didn't. They wouldn't, they would not. It would just do the news cycle because people be like, what the fuck anything for cloud S mh They would not give you a show but a soft swinging Mormon mommy community Hello that lives their life on TikTok.

46:13 Speaker 1: But we didn't know this existed. But there are screenshots. Man, there's us only fans bitch or picking up the cameras, like, yes, they forgave her.

46:24 Speaker 2: And I think that Witny is missing that. I really do think she is.

46:28 Speaker 1: She's missing a lot of things because that would strike too, and my biggest strike, which I'm glad they put late because if they did it in the first I too would have turned it off. So I'm gonna trigger one of people who just have a really big trigger with.

46:39 Speaker 2: Germs and nasty things. Ugh, nasty things like I had.

46:44 Speaker 1: I can't tell my mama to watch it because if she sees that she will never recover, she will scream. She has germophobe situation. She screams a lot when she doesn't like the hygiene of something or the cleanliness of something.

46:58 Speaker 2: Screams at it.

47:00 Speaker 1: And I'm not talking about like yelling or going like Gordon Ramsay, she goes oh, but she just screams.

47:07 Speaker 2: So I'm a mad character.

47:10 Speaker 1: So like if she saw them serve a birthday cake at a family dinner, which my mom would love to do, that's like her her thing. She loves family dinner, she loves a birthday cake. And if she cut into that cake and there was one a pregnancy test in it, she would automatically deem it unsanitary because she would Ninka came out of the box, and that would.

47:32 Speaker 2: Be unsanitary to her.

47:33 Speaker 1: She now come to reveal that your pregnancy test in it is one hundred and you're proud of it.

47:43 Speaker 2: The stick you peed upon.

47:46 Speaker 4: Mmm.

47:48 Speaker 3: And it was the fact that the teenage sister had to break it down for her.

47:54 Speaker 1: Yes, she said, well the cap is on it, Whitney, my love, I need you, I need you to come sit down, Come sit down, Like I immediately thought, well there goes a good cake. What was that like three hundred dollars? They had real fun advice.

48:14 Speaker 3: Hmm. And and her mama was licking her fingers holding the pregnancy text text test licking her fingers while her sister was y'all.

48:23 Speaker 1: Why don't you just do it like King Cake style and put like a little baby in it?

48:27 Speaker 3: What a little baby if they.

48:29 Speaker 2: Sell the little babies at the at the at the king Cake stores.

48:34 Speaker 3: And also like what I don't know, like technology, but like I don't know, what if the inner parts of that pregnancy test are melting, Like what about the p what about the melting plastic? It's a lot going on in there.

48:45 Speaker 2: I it's a terrible idea.

48:47 Speaker 3: And the cakes looked so good and I was so upset.

48:51 Speaker 1: I was impressibly being the cake and they're gonna do a gender reveal as she pregnant. I don't understand. What could they put in the cake at ring and she not Mary, what is it? And to find out that it was a pregnancy stick and I was like, oh, well, that ruins it. And then to find out she peed upon it that I didn't even consider it because that was so far fetched to me. I was like, you could have literally just put a fresh one in there and people would have still been like, are you pregnant?

49:19 Speaker 2: And you would have still had to say, yes, I am.

49:22 Speaker 3: The exchange would have gone the exact same.

49:24 Speaker 1: One, exactly the same. You did not have to use that exact same stick they come to in the case sometimes three.

49:31 Speaker 3: And here's what really gagby is that she was like, you know, and this is gonna be my last child, and everybody was like okay, and she's looking at them like she just broke them down with like the worst possible news, like, oh no, Whitney, give us another baby.

49:49 Speaker 2: Children with the husband with a different hair plug.

49:53 Speaker 3: Oh how hard breaking.

49:56 Speaker 1: But he has really nice bangs today. What if you feel the heat and you just like want to make another one?

50:01 Speaker 3: Please have another baby, Whitney, Please?

50:04 Speaker 1: Yes that whatever show that man do now to prove that he is straight, because let me tell you something, having three kids won't do it anymore. Look at bron Win's seven hello, like bring a ding ding?

50:20 Speaker 2: Three is not enough. We're still looking at you a little bit crooked conor wo I have never I mean?

50:30 Speaker 1: And then the gag is Winny doesn't go to any of the events all year, the baby shower for Taylor.

50:37 Speaker 2: Taylor genuinely did not know that they were not friends.

50:39 Speaker 1: She was like, I had no idea you hated me,

50:43 Speaker 1: And She's like, you would you have told me because I could have done something.

50:46 Speaker 2: We could have talked about it, like she wanted a friendship.

50:49 Speaker 1: I actually felt really bad for Taylor, and Whitney can't even admit that the only reason she hates Taylor is because everyone rallied around her. Aka, you got a TV show, you got the world to pay attention, and but Taylor. People roasted Taylor for out and out all her friends and everything, like we're any because of the mess and how people felt about her, but like they still felt that way about her.

51:12 Speaker 2: We're just here in spite of that.

51:14 Speaker 3: Right, And Taylor brought up a great point of Whitney, if you're so upset about this fallout and how it looked to you, can we go to your TikTok and see how many videos there are of you mentioning wink wink. Maybe I was in mom Talk, maybe I was swinging. Why are you capitalizing off this if it was such a problem.

51:36 Speaker 1: Right, and you moved to Hawaii and now you're.

51:37 Speaker 3: Back, and then now suddenly you're back.

51:40 Speaker 2: Suddenly I wonder why.

51:42 Speaker 1: But it's just giving you that you don't like the fact that it used to be ambiguous as who was like the leader or the head bitch in charge of mom Talk and the girlies. What if they had, if they had a democracy of the people, it was gonna give Taylor.

51:59 Speaker 3: Somebody brought up the great point that Whitney is a lot like Vicky Gunbolson.

52:05 Speaker 2: Oh my god, wow.

52:07 Speaker 3: Yet they were like like mean girl adjacent, like not cool enough to be in, but she clearly would get some sort of attention from being mean from those cool girls, and maybe she didn't interpret it necessarily as like how she should have, like it wasn't necessarily good attention, Like yeah, maybe they're laughing, but they're not necessarily laughing with you. But now you've just programmed yourself to just be mean because you think that that's what is going to get you that positive reinforcement, and it's not working when you're thirty.

52:44 Speaker 2: No it's not.

52:45 Speaker 1: But also I thought you were going to say that she's giving Vicky Gumbleson vibes in that Vicky can't move on because she is like I created this, like this is you have to do it with me, and she's mad when anyone tries to be thrown her when it's like, no one's trying to do throne. There is no such thing. This throne is in your head, your insecurity is in your head.

53:08 Speaker 3: Right all to be the queen bee. But we don't have to do that, like like.

53:15 Speaker 2: What do you mean?

53:16 Speaker 1: And now they're like, oh, it doesn't want to be Taylor, so now and now it's none of you this because Taylor never wanted it, so you hate her for no reason. It was like, do you not see my life right now? I am freshly divorced. I got this in my house, this man in my house that I don't want.

53:32 Speaker 2: I'm having this baby.

53:34 Speaker 1: He wants the baby, but he also wants me with it, and I'm trying to tell him no, no, we can have baby and no me and you, and he doesn't get it. And there's a new girl coming out that slept with him every day. You think I got time to coordinate dances and which blu set we're wearing on Tuesday?

53:52 Speaker 3: I got a lot going on.

53:53 Speaker 2: I got a lot going on.

53:55 Speaker 1: Girl called a blowing up my phone popping up at air and Airbnb's I'm three, I'm nine months pregnant.

54:02 Speaker 2: It's too much. And then you want me to do of a mom top, No, ma'am.

54:06 Speaker 1: And so now it's not Whitney because she keep on following herself. She did all of this four attention, and little did she know if she had just suck it out and tried not to make everything about her by not coming to things, by on following people, by making these big grand gestures of attention and pick me behavior she would have been like rightfully, like at the top, she would have been fine.

54:29 Speaker 3: Yeah, And she ended up just proving everybody's point, Like everybody her in the beginning, you basically just use people for your own selfish advantages and then when you don't need them, you let them go, which is what she did to Macy, who was the only girl who was nice to her, and like trying to build bridges between Whitney and everybody else and maintain a friendship with Whitney. And what happened all of a sudden, you're not going up to my birthday party, but.

54:56 Speaker 2: Your actual birthday what.

55:01 Speaker 3: Like, you show up to somebody else's No, No, it wasn't her birthday party, her her baby mom or her brand launch.

55:07 Speaker 2: Yeah, her brand launch.

55:09 Speaker 1: That was really sad because that was special, that was important to her. That's her launching something. That's like the friend. That's what you do as a friend. You don't just do ketamine and spell people's secrets. You go to their brand launches because she has a business and she's a businesswoman, right, but but your friend, that's a homegirl.

55:27 Speaker 3: But you can show up to Mikayla's birthday party when you were not invited, and you know nobody wants to see you at this point and act like.

55:37 Speaker 1: You know they're mad because you didn't go to her opening, right, They're like, wait, what why wouldn't she come and do that? Like you won't following everybody? What temper tantrum are you throwing? What did we do to you? That's why no one's calling you. They're thinking you just need space or something, because they're like, obviously she's not in a good place cause we haven't done a goddamn thing.

56:02 Speaker 2: She just keeps.

56:03 Speaker 1: Reacting, right, You just keep getting notifications that Whitney has left us again, like what is this? She had followed everyone but one but Macie. I think you don't go to her thing, so you just keep being absent so they have something to talk about. But like, also, she's lying because she didn't go to Taylor's baby shower, and they literally came to her house and filmed and talked about why she didn't go, right, they came and checked on her, yep, and that didn't render any benefits. She still stopped coming to things, and then you one followed everybody, including the people who came and checked on you.

56:39 Speaker 3: So you went to Costco got a big ass bag of off brand fruity pebbles to talk about somebod these pussy on camera. But you don't know why people don't really care to call you and chase after you.

56:53 Speaker 1: Yeah, fruity pebbles, man, that's wow. You know what reminded me of?

57:00 Speaker 2: I don't.

57:00 Speaker 1: This is like the only sports reference that I can make, and my wife is going to be so proud me for making a basketball one. Even I don't know who any of these people are, but there was once upon a time where somebody on a basketball team made a comment on to Carmelo Anthony on another basketball team about how his wife Lalla Anthony tasted like cheerios on the court.

57:25 Speaker 3: Oh my god.

57:26 Speaker 1: And then like a nice little fighty fight broke out, and I was remember it being all over and I was like.

57:32 Speaker 2: Oh that you mentioned it. I was like, oh, my goodness.

57:39 Speaker 1: But that's what it reminded me of, because and if you asked me where I went today, I could not tell you a running list of all the errands that I've run.

57:47 Speaker 2: But that from about ten years ago.

57:49 Speaker 1: Never forget because on the court in my workplace, that's crazy.

57:54 Speaker 2: How dare you.

57:57 Speaker 1: That's crazy about my wife. You're mean, But no, Whitney, you're a terrible girl.

58:03 Speaker 2: You just are. I'm sorry, You're not a girl's girl.

58:05 Speaker 1: It's not giving I ooh, the real villain. I know it's eating her up, Like I know that the production cameras are eating her up. So I want her to be a little careful with asking for them cameras to lift up a little bit earlier because she's I think her strategy would just be to get on the better side of the public. I think she will analyze herself. The narcissism will kick in, and she will identify all the things that she did wrong in the eyes of the people based on the feedback that she's gonna get, and she's going to perform differently.

58:46 Speaker 2: I think she's gonna be reaching out the Taylor very.

58:49 Speaker 3: Like I was going through a tough time and now I'm like ready.

58:52 Speaker 1: To get that's the tough time, sis.

58:56 Speaker 3: That's another Whitney, another healing journey.

58:59 Speaker 1: I'm sure, like, what is the tough time that Taylor wasn't going to? Taylor came to every event and the girl is pregnant.

59:09 Speaker 3: We can see it checking Connor's hair to make sure that the you know, little little grains weren't falling out.

59:17 Speaker 2: Like I cannot, I don't even understand. Listen.

59:23 Speaker 1: It was probably one of the best binges that I've done in a really long time. And I know some pretty excellent binges lately, a lot of docuseries, a lot of true crime. Uh. We'll get into that at the portion of the show of what we're what else we're watching, But this was a.

59:40 Speaker 2: Nice production Hulu.

59:43 Speaker 1: I even venture to say, if this does not if we have not convinced you yet to watch, if you have not watched yet, and I'll be doing an episode by episode uh situation next week, probably for a little bit for the Patreon and stuff, if you want to get into that, and really are and because I have to do another rewatch, I just have to. But this was what I wanted SLC to be, and I think this is better.

1:00:11 Speaker 3: I don't disagree. But I also feel like there are a lot of people who are like, oh, bring Whitney over to this show, bring Monica over to the show, and I think we can just like allow them to be two different things.

1:00:25 Speaker 2: Yes, both of that, absolutely.

1:00:27 Speaker 1: I think what I mean is that like this is scratching the itch that I thought SLC would scratch.

1:00:32 Speaker 2: Get it.

1:00:33 Speaker 1: They have only loosely touched on the Mormon thing. We've only gotten it from Heather's perspective and her from her being a bad Mormon. And Lisa Barlowe, who's like wants us to believe she doesn't drink, Like.

1:00:44 Speaker 2: But aequila company.

1:00:46 Speaker 1: If you owned a tequila company and didn't drink tequila, we would know by the.

1:00:53 Speaker 2: Way it tasted.

1:00:54 Speaker 1: Hello, Okay, But it's also not a production right now, some member she doesn't drink.

1:00:58 Speaker 2: I don't know.

1:01:00 Speaker 1: Allegedly, but I think I just wanted that TLC Deep Dive a little bit like that that actual Docuseriies Lens, with the drama of a Housewives production and the high quality of like Bravo producing it.

1:01:19 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think these women thrived without Bravo because then they weren't They weren't gonna be like, oh, I'm on Bravo, Like you gotta make a name for yourself on Hulu. When they did, they absolutely did.

1:01:31 Speaker 2: They absolutely did.

1:01:32 Speaker 1: They did their big one, And I think that's what I really wanted to see, Like Hulu has the production value that Bravo would have had. You know those embassy that NBC money who has that they gave them, that they give them.

1:01:43 Speaker 2: A full, good production budget.

1:01:45 Speaker 1: Like we weren't disappointed by where they were staying or what they were doing or the trips they went on.

1:01:49 Speaker 2: It all made sense. It was fine.

1:01:52 Speaker 1: But also the drama was high level. But also we're getting background into like the rules of the Mormon Church because some of the the were actually practicing still and not pretending to or are converts, like they're like, no, girl, we easily breathe this, like when Jen had a whole freak out because she didn't have her garments and like I didn't even realize or think about her husband is probably she's like probably scared of her husband's reaction.

1:02:18 Speaker 3: And the baby blessing that they had, and how she had to basically disinvite all half of the cast because they weren't good enough for Zach and his brand of Mormonism.

1:02:29 Speaker 2: That's crazy.

1:02:31 Speaker 3: Mm hmmm, it's so crazy.

1:02:33 Speaker 1: So yeah, it was a really good binge. I think that Hulu did an excellent job. I know they're already sitting on season two because they already have the breast of the be roll because they really left on a cliffhanger, and I think that was on purpose and I'm totally fine with that as long as you don't take too long, please, hulare.

1:02:54 Speaker 2: I can't do that.

1:02:55 Speaker 1: I think that's what I feel. Like, what's your you know, your boomer complaint. It's like, why are y'all taking a year for eight episodes?

1:03:02 Speaker 2: I need to know.

1:03:03 Speaker 3: We're gonna need them back Q two.

1:03:08 Speaker 1: Like, for real, I need them to get it together because you immediately, I need to know how this went. I need to know after the nice little phone call happens. I mean, we already know Dakota guilty, but like, I really want to hear it.

1:03:25 Speaker 3: Yeah we oham girl, Yeah, we need to hear from Jenna what happened?

1:03:30 Speaker 1: You need to hear from Jenna, Like and honestly, I can't wait to redo this again. I'm gonna watch this entire show over this weekend. I'm gonna probably do a talk more episode by episode about it or in chunks and some updates on where everyone is now. I got to do a lot of like some deep dive ADHD homework, but I'm so ready. I remember really loving and being thrilled by this community of people that have absolutely nothing to do with me, Like couldn't be more opposing in anything in any other way from every angle, But man, am I hooked?

1:04:08 Speaker 2: Like Oh it's so good.

1:04:11 Speaker 1: I had a very nice time, and I had an even nicer time talking with you, Kara.

1:04:14 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for being here. This was so much.

1:04:17 Speaker 3: Fun, and thank you for having me.

1:04:19 Speaker 2: This was a dream. Oh my god.

1:04:21 Speaker 1: I just to be able to get it because I have been trying to talk about this show all week and I keep pushing people and they don't understand that, like time is of the essence, like it's not, but like why haven't you finished? How can you not move on to the next one? Like every episode my jaw dropped more? And don't you want that for yourself?

1:04:42 Speaker 3: We should all want that for ourselves. And if you don't look in the.

1:04:46 Speaker 1: Mirror, yes exactly, Kara. Please tell everyone where they can find you listen to you. You did a killer deep dive in conversation about it as well, and you talk about absolutely everything that I don't have the bandwidth too.

1:04:59 Speaker 2: But why all of it's very confusing how that works in my brain?

1:05:03 Speaker 1: Where can they find you, listen to you and get more of all that good stuff.

1:05:08 Speaker 3: Yeah, my podcast is called Everyone's Business But Mine. You can listen to that everywhere you listen to podcasts. Give me a follow on Instagram at Everyone's Business but Mine currently or you know, actually, in the upcoming future, we will be talking sister wives. Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, Welcome to plotfill rel Housewives of Orange County, Pop Culture, deep Dives. I don't know how I'm gonna do this, but I'll figure it out.

1:05:33 Speaker 1: Oh my god, exactly, Like Kara does all the work and the heavy liftings so you don't have to, or she like makes you want to. I have to listen sometimes with certain seasons especially of well Palm people shows, occasions, different shows that I'm not super familiar with. I want to I want to study and learn more, and I have to run it through like three different podcasts before I know it's credible. And you are in that lineup, like if you're talking about it and telling me the things, and I'm like okay, and I get real understanding of whether or not I just need to be only a little bit interested in this to listen to you talk about it and like I'll do it's fine, Or if I'm like, girl, I.

1:06:18 Speaker 2: Need to go watch this. What at least this episode.

1:06:20 Speaker 1: What are they talking about over in the platmill like cover that?

1:06:25 Speaker 2: It's so good.

1:06:26 Speaker 3: I'm a white mess whisperer, I will.

1:06:28 Speaker 1: Say that, and I think that's fantastic because I'm a white watcher like hooked.

1:06:35 Speaker 3: So thanks so much again for having me.

1:06:37 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for being here. Thank you guys for listening. You can find me on all the things at the Mix with Moni if you're listening to this on whatever podcasts platform you like, the Mix with Money, but also on Instagram still mixing with Moni and my x I g w I, T H M A n I. And like I said, I will be covering more Wives of Mormon lives episode by episode kind of thing or in chunks, but also doing some back to Bravo things oh see and talking the trailers and all that.

1:07:12 Speaker 2: But this just we needed to talk about this.

1:07:14 Speaker 1: I needed to get this out there because this was a moment in pop culture that I can't not talk about. Oh my god, Kara, before I let you go, did you watch the VMAs?

1:07:26 Speaker 3: I will listen. I had it.

1:07:28 Speaker 1: On Yes, you did on mute like I did on Tuesday with that other performance that happened.

1:07:36 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I had it on. It was mostly on mute, but I did. I did keep up. I saw things.

1:07:46 Speaker 1: You saw things, Okay, it was curious if how you felt about Megan as a host.

1:07:51 Speaker 3: I think she's adorable.

1:07:53 Speaker 2: She is adorable.

1:07:54 Speaker 3: I you know, like you can only do so much with the writing.

1:07:59 Speaker 1: You know that, Yes, okay, yeah, fair you guys take care of yourselves. I'll be talking more about the things next week. Thank you for listening. Love you, Bye.