233. WHAT WAS THE REASON?!: Summer House News w/ Dana (@TheBravoInvestigator)

0:00 Speaker 1: Soundstruzz.

0:10 Speaker 2: Oh Hello, Hello, Hello, beautiful and wonderful mixologists out there. It is your girl Moni and you are back in the mix with Mani, a podcast where we talk about all the TV show things, reality TV drama, the big hits, the missus, the shows we're watching, and the hot top is we can't stop talking about. And today like none other y'all't even know you know, O we're here. I'm sure you've been like, why are you late? And that's because I had to fine time to record with my girl, Dana, the Bravo Investigator.

0:43 Speaker 2: I had to get time to get her here on the pod so we can break down some very big hot Bravo news.

0:51 Speaker 3: Dana, how are you? Thank you for being here?

0:54 Speaker 1: Well, thank you for having me. But Mani, what do you mean? What's been going on?

0:57 Speaker 2: You know, it's like this little thing. There's this show that I guess maybe some people have heard about. I guess somebody somebody might watch the show called like Summer House. I was gonna try to make a joke and call a Winterhouse, but that's also a show.

1:11 Speaker 4: So that is something that I always think will be a thing one day because Kyle will always be on this show until it is retirement House.

1:20 Speaker 3: That actually would be hilarious because I love watching old people do stuff. I'm not lying, right, They're so fun. You know, they're so fun. Hello. That's one of the reasons y'all love Ronny the old school Roney so much.

1:31 Speaker 2: They were the most then and mature cast that we had, but they were the most hilarious, outlandish, badass like all over the top women. That was the gang. Watching people of retirement age do stuff is enjoyable. Watching people this current age of young prime make different that make good decision making years watch these people make bad decisions not as good of a time. That is why we're here today because some people are like on this show. Yeah, and if you if you didn't know, there's a little show called Summerhouse.

2:12 Speaker 2: We're a group of friends. They get together and they go to the house for the weekend. I find it to be the fastest turnaround time. I still think that, like, do they have a monopoly of time or a different understanding of time than I do? Or maybe is it just my ADHD is that bad? I cannot fathom going to a week like a house for a weekend, even like it just for like and doing it consistently. I need vacation. I need separation between work and vacation, and then preparing for vacation and going to a beach house to party would be vacation for me.

2:47 Speaker 2: So to go back to work on a Monday and then do it all over again the very next weekend would destroy me totally.

2:54 Speaker 1: But here are the caveats.

2:56 Speaker 4: One, First of all, it's an insane drive up there, So I can't even believe that they do that because it's not like, Oh, I live in New York and I'm going to the Hamptons and that's twenty minutes away. It's not it's hours in traffic. But two, no one is going to work on Monday. Let's keep in mind none of these people have real jobs anymore, So there is that. But yeah, the exhaustion of going back and forth, Like imagine that even for lindsay just a baby, right, Like what if there's an emergency and you're on like this three hour drive from the Hamptons, Like yes, but you gotta do it for the job right out of there.

3:25 Speaker 2: Like it's it feels like it's always it's such a destination, and they really do make that track granted this is also like their job now, so that does help sweeten the pot, and so you know when we watch for that and y'all, this season of Summerhouse has been really good to people.

3:41 Speaker 3: We've been having a nice time overall.

3:43 Speaker 2: I've been really like enjoying, you know, the developments, the loes, the highs, the lows, the awkward moments.

3:50 Speaker 3: Oh there was the Carl.

3:52 Speaker 2: I love him, but sober Carl is sometimes really awkward.

3:56 Speaker 3: It makes so the cringe is hard for me.

3:58 Speaker 4: I'm just like, yeah, he's sort of like an old man now in his soberness, you know, it's like old man.

4:04 Speaker 2: Yeah in a house full of young, barely clothed.

4:07 Speaker 3: Party kids were drinking.

4:10 Speaker 1: Yeah.

4:10 Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels that we invited that, not even the teacher, the dean, like the dean of the college, to the frat party in the house.

4:18 Speaker 4: Woman, He's like, okay, so totally, but Kyle used to be the head of this house and just give them the erratic way he's been acting lately, and just acting like such a little bitch baby to be quite frank, I hope I can use that word. Then maybe Carl could be the head of the house, right he's the responsible one now, like he should be the one in charge.

4:35 Speaker 3: He should be the den mother. Yeah, should you know?

4:38 Speaker 2: I do agree, because Kyle he summer should be fun. Kyle, You're not fun. The only thing negative con I wouldn't even have to said about this season so far is Kyle's bad attitude.

4:49 Speaker 3: He yelling a lot, He's saying mean things.

4:52 Speaker 2: No one likes to see people fight with their spouse, ever, especially when you're in mixed company of couples, friends, or like in single people, or even when you're just couples and couples. But just like when you're in mixed company, it's always hella awkward when the married couple starts to bicker or someone starts picking, like we can see your your your your holes.

5:15 Speaker 3: Kyle is like, yeah, wee.

5:19 Speaker 2: Kyle is like, if he's going through it, baby, he gotta make sure everybody and this motherfucker know he going through it. Kyle wants everyone to know just how miserable his life is right now, and how dare Amanda not be nice damn about it and not care. He's not gonna be He's letting us know he won't be happy unless he's miserable with him and co miserating out loud about it, like, oh, don't you know he's having such a hard time. Look, Kyle, your attitude needs to change, and why are you yelling at that girl?

5:50 Speaker 2: This is me giving a little bit of talking about from what I'm seeing on the show.

5:56 Speaker 3: One.

5:57 Speaker 2: Yes, we all know we get to speak from a place if we know they never should have gotten married.

6:00 Speaker 3: This never should have happened.

6:02 Speaker 2: So we know they are separated or whatever now because they never should have gotten married. Seeing the Cracks show this season is like part for the course when you know what we waited, what we saw when they first got together, through when they were leading up to their wedding, and then to now. It's not shocking at all, but it is like seeing them bicker and seeing him talk to her crazy. It is really that that's a hard thing for me to drink to like party with.

6:34 Speaker 3: I don't want to great.

6:36 Speaker 4: Pointing because we're supposed to be watching the show for fun and being enjoying it, and you know, maybe watching with our friends or our family having food, having drinks and you calling your wife a dumb ass bitch just you know, doesn't really give me the appetite.

6:51 Speaker 2: Yeah, I said, Oh, that's a bummer. I don't like that. That sounds sad. This man this is just calling his wife a dumbass bitch. It's not the kind of behavior that So if you don't watch this show or you don't know who these people are, you're even more taken aback and horrified by the idea of like, I'm sorry, what did he just say to that woman? Oh yeah, he just called his wife a dumbass bitch. His what But he's not also crying at the fact that you borrowed a billion dollars for some sparkling Seltzer alcohol ty.

7:26 Speaker 3: Okay.

7:27 Speaker 4: That was also sort of new to me because we knew he had taken a business loan, but now we're talking about it as a personal loan. And I am positive he said it was a business loan, not a personal loan. So now that you're saying it's a personal loan and you yourself are on the hook for it, well that's different information. I don't know why anyone wasn't clocking that, But we're busy with other things, obviously, we're busy.

7:47 Speaker 2: With the Even when I watching it, I was like, you said that, and I was like y'a. So you didn't talk to your wife about it beforehand? That's crazy. And I'm not here cap for Amanda, but I am a wife. And if you took out more than one hundred dollars of a loan from anybody while we're married and I don't know about it, holy shit.

8:12 Speaker 4: Oh no, that would be my reaction too. It was interesting to hear her say, oh no, that's none of my business, right, he's the business man. Who who am I to say? And then she says later on that they have completely separate bank accounts, so maybe it really doesn't impact her.

8:26 Speaker 1: I really don't know.

8:28 Speaker 3: I don't know.

8:28 Speaker 2: I don't Maybe it doesn't, but it's still it would to me if you talk right. But we're also we're a two income household, even if it has two different bank accounts, we're a two income household. It's something's that to jeopardize your income to that effect that jeopardizes our household, even if, like you know, if you get an influx of money, I want to know about it because we're a.

8:52 Speaker 3: Too income household. Goddamn it? What you mean? Him over here?

8:55 Speaker 2: Like, okay, so I guess we have to pay this bill next week, and that one this week when you get paid and you just can't him into two point one million dollars. You little bitch, babe. You're the dumbass bitch. How dare you, Amanda? You need a backbone. Let's get to roasting you, because the backbone is so gone. It's so gone. I see that when I saw her say, well, he's this businessman and I didn't know how to question him. Okay, so your judgment is very poor when it comes to men. That's what it sounds like.

9:25 Speaker 1: From that's always been true.

9:27 Speaker 4: I mean he cheated on her the same summer that they got engaged.

9:30 Speaker 3: Okay.

9:31 Speaker 1: He has said.

9:32 Speaker 4: Things to her like I haven't flirted with anyone in three months, and she's like, we've been together for three years, Like what are you saying?

9:38 Speaker 3: Right?

9:39 Speaker 4: So, like she has put up with quite a lot, and I think it's something in her. And she has talked about this that when she gets overwhelmed, she'll like pretend things aren't happening. Even when their wedding was kind of going as shit, right, they had like lost their floors as all this stuff, She's like, I'll ignore it, all ignored, and it's like you can't.

9:55 Speaker 1: So I think she's got ten years just ignoring it.

9:58 Speaker 2: Honestly, I mean, I guess, and in doing that, I can't imagine that what you feel like as a person, you're ignoring it. So then how do you justify then doing things two or making bad decisions more than once around these men or in general, if you ignore it in one, you're gonna continue to make those same bad decisions.

10:25 Speaker 3: Hence why you founders.

10:28 Speaker 2: I mean, we all knew again you never should have married the man because you kept forgiving him or getting past whatever thing he did, because you disassociated from the feeling and you could disconnect it from it.

10:39 Speaker 3: I'd be really interested to know.

10:41 Speaker 2: Her trauma history, because her disassociating from things that get hard or stressful or overwhelming is sometimes it could be a trauma response, especially because it just seems like it gets triggered and she completely disconnects. Because when they were like the girl he's in this latest episode of Summer Else, if you're watching, said to her, I don't know if you knew about this loan or whatever. It seemed like she was finding that out and almost in real time, And I thought that was crazy because that would absolutely send me into an orbit, but she disassociated immediately.

11:19 Speaker 2: I watched her, even before confessional, be like, oh, well, yeah, I just I don't really have the energy. I don't know how to respond to that right now. And she kind of admitted that she can't process it. She's just like, I can't do that. I'm just like what And I wasn't judging that. I just clocked that that that's her response to something that would be catatonic to me, Like if I'm married to a person and I'm finding out not just that you took out this, and then to find out that the loan you got that your husband took without you knowing about it was the one you didn't know about.

11:55 Speaker 3: And now what what do you mean?

11:58 Speaker 2: You're now on the hook for the payments and all these things that would then change the.

12:04 Speaker 3: Income of my home even more.

12:06 Speaker 2: And I'm finding out about it from a friend, And in that moment, she doesn't panic, freak out, or even process it emotionally. She tells them I can't and just shuts it down in her mind. Like I'm wondering if she has a habit of doing that, or is it's become a safe place to do that. It just like not when the thing is going to kill you inside internally, you just don't deal with the emotional part of it and don't deal with it at all so that you can continue to do what you're doing.

12:36 Speaker 1: I think that's so exactly what's happening.

12:38 Speaker 3: I do.

12:39 Speaker 4: I think we all know now that she's finally on her right medication that's been really helping with her mental health. But prior to that, so maybe like a year ago and all the years prior to that, I think this was maybe so it could have been a trauma response, or it could also be how her anxiety manifests. Like for me, my anxiety makes me work so much harder. It makes me like, oh my god, I am something you in a month, I need to do it today. Like that's so like I cannot fathom the idea that I have tasks, while I know other people that when they have tasks, their anxiety makes them so overwhelmed that they don't have the ability to do the tasks.

13:13 Speaker 4: And so I wonder if that's it for her when she's really through it.

13:17 Speaker 3: Big with ADHD.

13:18 Speaker 2: I have ADHD as I have anxiety really bad, and I yeah, I am I do disassociate from things really bad. I'm the person like if the parking ticket comes in the mail, I'm gonna look at it forever and it's gonna say I'm gonna put it somewhere else, and I can't deal with it.

13:32 Speaker 3: I can't even open it because I.

13:34 Speaker 2: Know what it is, and I know that it means that I'll have to do the thing even if I have the money, even when I don't, because I need to be able to stress about it whenever I need to for my own anxiety's sake.

13:44 Speaker 3: But I guess that's why. But I also but I.

13:46 Speaker 2: Also know that for me it is a trauma response, like it's okay how my anxiety has manifested now in a way that in past experiences this thing has helped me stay feel safe in my head to just disassociate from it. So when I get anxious, I'll still disassociate from it. So and the reason why I'm like because that also can sometimes.

14:10 Speaker 3: Justify or help people.

14:13 Speaker 2: In their head justify hurting people or doing things regardless of the outcome of how it is to other people.

14:21 Speaker 3: That's what I mean by hurting people.

14:23 Speaker 2: There have been times also where like if you disassociate enough in the things that overwhelms you. Making decisions going forward just for you is easier because you're not connected to the emotional part. But part of that emotional part that you need when you make a decision is the balance or the weighing of options of how this will affect not just me but the people around me. Disassociating from something that processing something means that you might relay the information to someone that you want to divorce them or separate from them without a give a fuck.

14:57 Speaker 2: You might say like, I don't even want to do this anymore. You put on a post to note, you might go somebody. You might do these things because you've disconnected from the emotional part of the decision. But it doesn't like this, Yeah, nobody else has and the only person who knows you've done that is you. To protect yourself, it's easier to make a selfish choice, not necessarily a bad selfish one, but it's easier to make a choice for self preservation if you're in disassociation mode of self preserving.

15:25 Speaker 3: That's what it does, right, So I'm like.

15:28 Speaker 2: I'm wondering if in her era of I'm leaving Kyle, I'm doing what I'm gonna do. I'm doing what's best for me because look it out he's treating me. Look at how I feel, and I'm gonna finally be happy because god damn it, I've been in a bad place. Maybe her in her joint release of talking about we a lot because she speak French now, her and West in her little release or whatever, it's like a this is something that has just been like, it's been done. It's good for me because I've been through all these things, and it's you disassociate even from making decisions that if it has any emotional impact on someone else.

16:09 Speaker 3: She's not thinking about that.

16:10 Speaker 1: Because no, I can't see that.

16:14 Speaker 3: I don't want to self preserving.

16:15 Speaker 2: I don't even think she's thinking about that because but the only way that you cannot is if you do that kind of disassociation thing is because I've done that. Do I'm in therapy for I have been not anymore. I've graduated. Thank you for some therapy. Or it took me a long time, probably a decade worth, No, but seriously like to not be but I've been like that. It's like almost like you do what but when you let people do shit to you for so long? Talk to you crazy and til you fuck you in front of everybody on the war in the world and your friends or whatever, and you don't react in a way that is reactionary because you've already dissociated.

16:59 Speaker 2: You do that long enough, and you're real good at being like, you know what, what makes me feel good, I'm gonna just do that instead, And I don't. I'm not connected to this supply source of where I would cry about someone else's feelings, because that would also mean she might have to cry and empathize about that man's feelings that she just told her fuck you if she don't want to do that, Okay, And that's the caveat of grace that I'll give this girl, as we announce in drawing joint drag the situation, but purely of the facts.

17:30 Speaker 2: But I want to explain a different perspective of possible like just seeing her pattern on the season seasons past of how she handles stress and things that overwhelm her emotionally. If it's going to do that, if she's going to have to show that, it just seems like she doesn't just she doesn't lash out, freak out, feel react anything. Not saying that any of those things are right or wrong or the right choice, but she chooses to disconnect from it altogether, and that is usually a Toronto response or something, and it doesn't make it right.

18:03 Speaker 2: In fact, it means that sometimes when you when you don't have the bandwidth of knowing when to not do it, you know what I mean, it's like, Okay, now's not the time to do that. But it just seems that there's something that she does. So turning off your emotional receptors when you process decisions that you're making, your other people are making, seems like it's easy for her to turn on and off or when she needs to. And I can imagine that what's going on currently postseason in real time is one of those high stressful, overwhelming moments that she might be having to disassociate from emotionally, you know what I mean.

18:41 Speaker 4: I'm sure that it is, and I completely agree with you and understand what you're saying. But I wonder just given how close she and Sierra were allegedly right, like a lot of people are kind of debating, well, like how close friends were they? Really?

18:54 Speaker 3: Do you know these people?

18:57 Speaker 1: But like assuming that they were, then you.

19:00 Speaker 4: Know that you can't dissociate in this situation, you know that you have to say something, and you could. You could have written a letter. There's so many things that you could have done that you did not do. You didn't even apologize to her in the statement that would have taken no additional effort from you, because chut ChiPT or someone else wrote that statement right like, to give her nothing and then if she ends up blaming it on her mental health. To give her nothing and then blaming it on her mental health doesn't jive for me because listen, I have mental health problems too.

19:30 Speaker 4: I get it, and I understand the dissociation. But there's got to be certain situations where you sort of have to push through because you know you're going to cause so much harm to someone else, and say, I'm gonna push through this and I'm gonna have that conversation because look what's happening.

19:43 Speaker 2: Now, Yeah, honestly, and I and I want to, you know, explain. I am trying to think figure out how she made the choice to pursue less at all in the beginning, not necessarily her house is handling everything.

19:59 Speaker 3: Now.

20:00 Speaker 2: No, now she's being playing cold bitchery. This is just bitchery, you know, you can be a bit whether you got mental health issues or not. Right, this is just not good. You're a bad friend and you were raised poorly. Your communication sucks what we're seeing in You don't.

20:15 Speaker 4: Know anything about this girl before season one, like we actually do not know, like when you were saying the trumber response, we don't know what.

20:20 Speaker 1: She's been through in her life exactly. I like to know more about this person.

20:24 Speaker 3: We don't. Don't kind to put myself into the mind.

20:27 Speaker 2: I can't even fathom without I have no empathy for her. She's acting and moving right now. I'm trying to put myself in the mind of how she got herself into this in the first place, because I was devastated to think that. I don't care whether they were that close to friends or not. To us, it seemed like Sierra felt like her and a Manda were close enough friends, which I agree, even if we work together. They filmed the show for years together enough to know that the show we film also isn't just ensemble cash shit.

20:55 Speaker 3: It's personal thing. It's friendships and relationships.

21:00 Speaker 2: We're encouraged to have these kinds of vibes and jibs to be together for the show you knew I liked this boy, So it's just like, to me, it never should have been a concept that entered Amanda's mind. So I'm trying to figure out how it did, you know what I mean? It can't be that you just decided to not be a good friend of your friend one day.

21:20 Speaker 3: Now what did you have to do?

21:23 Speaker 2: Did you have to disassociate to even talk to this boy and kiss someone orch twice? Because this is not something that happened overnight. We're finding out about it today. So what had had to happen for you to be like, I'm friends with this girl to her face or I'm friends with this girl in my mind. But either I'm a diabolical sociopath, I'm rude as hell, and I don't give a shit, and I'm doing I'm doing some Raquel relivous stuff. But Raquel has actually been a Rachel Levis that's been pretty honest about her disassociation and her trauma, so that put her in the headspace to do it.

21:59 Speaker 2: It doesn't ease use the actions after. I'm just trying to figure out how old even into your mind that you and Wes could should even talk all the minute in the world, and you're like, girl, my my friend's little crushy crush as crushy crush that wouldn't even come to my brain. It would never enter my head if you and I afterwards, y'all, if we were me and Daniel were talking, we were recording, and then we got off, she was like, oh.

22:23 Speaker 3: My god, look I swiped right on so and so.

22:26 Speaker 2: Look at him. Oh my god, so cute. It would never enter my brain later on, And I'm talking about like from simple smaller connections.

22:38 Speaker 3: Let alone.

22:38 Speaker 2: We lived in a house together, work together, film together, hang out together.

22:42 Speaker 3: We chose to drive up. You chose to drive up to the summer house with Nara.

22:48 Speaker 2: I know, y'all, friend, you didn't even want to be with call. You were like, oh my god, thanks go for saving me from your marriage. But fuck her when her crush has them with the mustache winks at you once, I'm confus.

23:00 Speaker 4: Used, Okay, I'll tell you what I think happened in terms of how we got here. And this is not a justification whatsoever. I'm just gonna say what I think was going on in her brain. So the six months prior to them to the summer, the six months prior to the summer. Kyle even said to Wes, she has spent more time with you in the past six months than she has with me. We also know that Kyle was not around during that six months. He flat outside in the first episode. I have been DJing so much that I have been home only once one weekend in the past six months.

23:28 Speaker 3: So she did just marry a day.

23:30 Speaker 4: She didn't marry a DJ but she doesn't seem to mind a twenty nine year old fuck boy. But okay, So she starts hanging out with the guys that are around her because these are not just her husband's friends, but these are you know, there are colleagues, but they are a cast of people that do hang out together.

23:45 Speaker 1: So they're all hanging out.

23:45 Speaker 4: They're hanging out, and now they start to become like closer and closer friends. Then he starts to really stand up for her and support her in a way that her husband absolutely does not. Her husband is calling her a dumb ass bitch while this guy is saying I love you. This guy is saying I love you, and he is standing up to her husband on her behalf, which no one else is doing. Carl's not even doing bad and Carl afficiated at their wedding. So I think I think for her this is lust. I think for him it's love.

24:14 Speaker 4: But I think for her it's lust. And I think for her she's just enamored with the feeling of being treated nicely, which is not an excuse, but I say that just to say she had ten years of being treated bad and now she goes, Ooh, look at this shiny thing that's treating me nice. But I know she's not gonna end up with somebody like that. So for her, I think it's lust. For him, I think he's flat out in love with her.

24:34 Speaker 2: I really do, yeah, And I think that's the thing I'm like, looking at Amanda. I don't understand how this enters your mind unless you were it's this, sir. Mental health is something you're you know, where you're at in your life, and your meds and all the things. All those things really matter. All those things also or how they help inform how you are going to respond to the stressor it doesn't change how you are wired to make behaviors. This is what Roseanne bar couldn't blame Ambient for making her a racist.

25:12 Speaker 3: That's just not how it works. That's just your deals are there.

25:16 Speaker 2: If they're there, they just they get rid of your inhibitions or put up inhibitions.

25:22 Speaker 3: If they need you or anything else. Yeah, thank you.

25:25 Speaker 2: But like you can't blame ambient for you being a racist, you can't blame your mental health or whatever struggles for you being a terrible friend. How is the only guy that could give you any attention even in that house, the one that your friend is crushing on and that you know has been stringing her along. Let's also talk about how us has not been a great guy to your friend.

25:50 Speaker 3: What the fuck are you doing?

25:52 Speaker 1: What do you want to do with the guy like that?

25:54 Speaker 3: Public enemy number one?

25:56 Speaker 4: And it really shows that she didn't understand that interracial conversation that Sierra was having, because despite the fact that she got up and she hugged Sierra and she went to sit, Well, the doctor you went ahead and did this shows you did not understand. It shows that you went okay, Well, anyways, chose.

26:11 Speaker 2: Not to understand that conversation because at some point, after a certain age, it's a choice, and that age is actually lower than y'all think. It's a choice to misunderstand. In fact, sometimes I don't even argue with Hose no more. As I'm entering my thirty, my year, my third decade of life. My birthday is the you're only thirty of April. I am about to turn thirty, Yes, Mike bool so exciting April twenty.

26:36 Speaker 1: Four, Okay, I'll remember birthday.

26:39 Speaker 3: I'm very excited.

26:40 Speaker 2: I have a lot of things up the pipeline I'm trying to do, trying to get people on to celebrate with me. But let me tell you, I've learned that I'm not arguing with you, Hose no more. It's just simply okay, Well, you're committed to not understanding me, So I like that We're gonna just stop here, like I'm just not gonna waste the breath. My mouth gets real dry. I had radiation on my throat gets real dry. I don't got the saliva to talk with you about going circles and circles. The girl was coitded to misunderstanding her.

27:09 Speaker 2: I have a really great friend and ally, and I want to speak to the black girlies out there who are like, do I need to be worried about my white friend?

27:17 Speaker 3: Oh?

27:17 Speaker 2: My god, MANI I hear you. I was worried for a second. For us, we all got our favorite. You know, a couple of girlies around us, our little Susan's and k and Katie's.

27:27 Speaker 3: We love them.

27:28 Speaker 2: Those are our girls. We should sometimes worry about a few. Not every one of the Amanda's out there are Amanda's. Okay, not all of them hashtag not all Amandas. Seriously, I have a friend that Girlary, God bless her.

27:44 Speaker 3: She is such a good white woman.

27:46 Speaker 2: She does recognize, though, that she has a tendency to lean on dating on the side of black men.

27:53 Speaker 3: She can't help it.

27:54 Speaker 2: Most of her friends are black or queer, even though she is a straight white woman. I love her so much. I just think this says a lot about her. We just assume that in a past life she was She's tried to be gay.

28:05 Speaker 3: She cannot. She isn't. She's tried to be No, she hasn't tried to be black.

28:09 Speaker 2: Because she can appropriation. But she knows that of herself that she can never try. But she loves the people that she loves tend to be both of those things right. When she dates a black man, she is on a date with a black man, or she's even connected with one. I tell you, she really does ask them what is their relationship with black women.

28:33 Speaker 3: As a concept? Would they date a black women?

28:35 Speaker 2: Because she's like, if you have hate in your heart or anything for black women, if you're dating white women because you secretly don't like black women, or you have a problem, because that's news flesh, y'all. Okay, news flesh that for some of y'all, that does happen. Unfortunately, you may not know, especially if you're a white woman, that your husband or your black man or your black whatever may not like black women.

28:59 Speaker 3: But that might be the case.

29:01 Speaker 2: And so she asks them flat out because if their answer is any kind of disrespect towards black women, she will not do it because one, that's something that like most of the people that she loves are black women. Hello, now you're not a safe space for people that I love. Secondly, she's like, oh, I'm not gonna edit and help you in your gross misunderstanding and lack of appreciation for black women.

29:25 Speaker 3: You're a crazy man. I don't get that.

29:27 Speaker 2: She also sends me and my wife Starbucks or like a gift card to get coffee every first of the Black History Month first every year, so as you know I love her. She's like, well, no one else gives reparations. I will and she knows how much I love coffee. It does repair me. I'm repaired, okay.

29:50 Speaker 3: For me?

29:51 Speaker 2: Okay, but I mean I say all that, like I do that little detour to say, like Amanda is not a small amount of girlies.

30:03 Speaker 3: Some of y'all do need to clock your friends and do a friendship all it.

30:05 Speaker 2: It's true because for her to have that conversation with Sierra and not taking anything away from it, was it and still do this is a choice, right, Yeah, that's a choice. Regardless of where you're at mentally or whatever. That's a choice. And based on how you're raised, that's your integrity. And we can't change integrity. We can't change your character. We can't change how you friendship.

30:27 Speaker 3: You know what I mean.

30:28 Speaker 2: But there are some girlies out there who are not like that. Because let me tell you what if Paige Disorbo and.

30:35 Speaker 3: Uh she was a here like.

30:36 Speaker 4: M she was an Amanda's wedding. You know, it's wild, Like this is literally tearing up her friendships. kJ on following West, kJ and West. That's how that's how KG is on this show. Right, they've been friendsbury.

30:49 Speaker 2: Ye.

30:49 Speaker 1: Yes, everyone is on the right side of history.

30:51 Speaker 2: Here, Yes, thank goodness. Like, you know, I'm not gonna go like I saw Hannah Burner do a thing. I'm not giving her no grace right now because she's told making the Stallion that she like makes I want to fight, and I'm like, that's yeah, actually incorrect period. Her music makes you want to go have sex with a man, That's really what it is.

31:09 Speaker 3: Like even me and I.

31:10 Speaker 2: Don't have that, okay, but I will say that.

31:20 Speaker 3: You know, even Hannah was like, uh, no, girl, flush that trash.

31:23 Speaker 2: What are you doing? It's just giving There are even other men in that house. There are so many options, so for you to do hello, So for you to go out of your way to do this and then know that once we all find out about you wanting to that you will got something going on with uh, you know, your really good friends crush that was stringing her along for two years couldn't commit to her for two years. Like that can't go unnoticed because it's interesting that he couldn't commit to someone that he's had a connection with quote unquote for two years, but he can commit to somebody that he just got with overnight.

32:01 Speaker 2: So that's interesting, and I wonder what those differences are that made him oh so ready to take that step and make that plunge of commitment. What do you think it was? I don't know, Nana.

32:14 Speaker 4: I'd love to mention what I brought up on my podcast yesterday, because if you look at this from a racial aspect, and you take a look at all of the men that Sierra has been interested in or have shown an interest to her, West, this is a guy that she wanted to date. Well, he was willing to sleep with her, but not willing to date her. Jesse willing to sleep with her, not willing to date her. Uh, Austin willing to sleep with her, not willing to date her. And in her head that must cause some sort of like mind fuck of like is there something wrong with me?

32:41 Speaker 4: Or is this because I'm black? Because look at the way you were willing to just immediately commit to my friend, my white friend abandon.

32:48 Speaker 2: Right immediately, And you want to know something and for if you're if you're confused out there and you don't know, you're like, okay, I see this as why does she keep going after white guys? If whait guys are going to be racist to her, and they don't want to date her. They don't see her as worthy of being dated. They can't take her home to family, but they do want to try her on.

33:07 Speaker 3: They do want to sleep with her.

33:09 Speaker 2: Fetishize about being with this beautiful supermodel as if you could honestly. But if you're wondering why, it's because, guess what, she's not meeting any better. On the other side, why did both Serena Williams and Benis Williams mary white men? Because they have been dogged and treated terribly for decades upon decades by black men who do not find them and appreciate their beauty either. So the problem is on one side, she's getting men who fetishize her and like or find her beautiful, but do not see her as worthy of dating and being of equal value to bring into their life in that way as a partner, just as a bedmate.

33:48 Speaker 3: That is his symbolic to history.

33:51 Speaker 2: But we'll move past that and then look at okay, and then on the other side you have black men who see how beautiful she is, feel threatened by herself beauty and accomplishments, and then prefer to date maybe a white woman or something because of their personal internalized racist things from the system that we have given them a capitalist America over the last few hundreds of years to devalue black women their beauty. They're worth their everything in which case, so she's kind of stuck in the lurch, right, and these men are giving her the attention, they're just not giving her the commitment.

34:27 Speaker 2: And they show their true colors and true dickery right after that. But then Amanda comes along far less accomplished.

34:35 Speaker 3: I'm sorry.

34:38 Speaker 2: It's Amanda Serra about a house, her grandparents' house. She has family values, she's lovely, she has a good heart. She wants it to stay in her family forever and ever. That's beautiful. Amanda has fought with Kyle about liquor company that she had no business wanting to be in, but got into it anyway, and then got mad at him for it not working and her not being supportive. And she can't support it because she never liked it anyway, but went with it, and she is.

35:16 Speaker 3: She had a swimsuit something something it's.

35:19 Speaker 4: Like a partnership, right, It's like where it's like the brand itself. It's like something moon or under the Moon by Amanda Petula. So doesn't that mean that you are just sort of like the face attaching to the brand.

35:31 Speaker 1: I guess right.

35:32 Speaker 4: And oh, by the way, in the last episode when Sierra was like, hey, I think you should separate from Kyle, I'm really worried about you. Guys, you can come stay with me, and that again shows her character and how Yeah, to me, that's part of being accomplished, quite frankly, being the kind of person who will be like you, I will take care of you. Mia said that too, you deserve to be taken care of and that made me want to throw up because these two black women want to take care of this this woman who does not want to.

35:57 Speaker 1: Take it away.

35:59 Speaker 2: It's always a want trying to save somebody's ass and being good to them. And I'm honestly like, I'm rolling my eyes, not because Sierra is like, why do we have to stuck? Because I'm that kind of person too. My mom is that kind of person. I would have done that. Like, of course I love my friends down you know, black, white, or indifferent, whatever, but also it is sometimes a disproportionate level of friendship and support and respect in those friendships that I will see sometimes even from my wife.

36:32 Speaker 2: From them, thankfully, I got some solid ones, but I know I will go the extra mile because that nurturing and that care is like just kind of instilled in me. So to know that, you know, you could have at some point, we don't know that she didn't take Sierra up on that offer and stayed with her for a little bit while Kyle and her were separating. Were you texting West then or were you just not because you were like, you know, when let me not go over her house so I don't connect to the wifi's Look at what point did you realize you were hurting?

36:58 Speaker 2: What you were doing was gonna hurt Sierra? And how does that also have no impact on your statement? Will you release a joint statement a joint boyfriend with your little boyfriend? And that's why Rihanna unfollowed Joe ass That's why Rihanna unfollowed Amanda.

37:15 Speaker 3: That's really saying something.

37:17 Speaker 1: The biggest followed of all of this. I don't know if Amanda's is a big one.

37:21 Speaker 3: That's a pretty big one, y'all know. Yikes. I was like, oh, okay, well.

37:31 Speaker 2: You should just give it a packet.

37:35 Speaker 4: And they were lying too because I don't know if you heard some of the rumblings lately that like Kyle was asking West and Amanda frequently because of what he was hearing, and they were like no, no, no, So to answer your question when you're like, how long did she know that this would hurt Sierra immediately? Immediately, the first kiss, the first look, the first anything, and she decided to continue on.

37:55 Speaker 1: That's the fuck up.

37:56 Speaker 3: Yeah, they lied to everybody.

37:58 Speaker 2: Jesse said that same thing, that he had heard rumors they were denied to him personally multiple times.

38:05 Speaker 4: So I hear that's not true. Because there was a Valley panel the other night for like the premiere of The Valley, and Zach said that his cousin's friend was talking to Jesse and Jesse had already known about it in Miami. They were talking or something, So that could be a lie. He could be the schwartz in this situation.

38:24 Speaker 2: Yeah, people were wondering whether or not he was the shorts or not, and he tried to say no, he wasn't.

38:28 Speaker 3: So yeah, you know, everybody has to have a Schwartz there you go.

38:31 Speaker 1: Everybody has to have your like decoy friend.

38:34 Speaker 2: Okay, Jules said, uh uh huh, well goes the round comes around? You see that she posts with those round comes around? Because he called Miranda out a liar a long time ago.

38:45 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, a Manda called her a liar.

38:48 Speaker 3: Her liar, Yeah exactly.

38:49 Speaker 4: So they just because she was friends with Jordan, who is a liar. She was like, well takes one to know one sort of thing. And then Charles was like, well, aren't you married to someone who cheated on you?

38:59 Speaker 1: So what does that make you?

39:02 Speaker 2: No? Because like, why do y'all deserve each other even in your separation? You and Color are acting like the just hurt people. Hurting people is not How are we supposed to feel bad for you? What is your end game? You know what I'm saying, because you also just pull all these all these media outlets a couple of months ago that you were just out to look about and have a good time, and so you want to have a good time and look about by yourself solo like and blow up camp at home.

39:30 Speaker 3: It doesn't make sense. What is your in game?

39:32 Speaker 2: It's it can't be that you want to be with West that bad, So what's the point?

39:37 Speaker 4: Its The only way they get away with this is if they get married. And they're meant to be. That's not what's going to happen. It's gonna last a month like every other West relationship. And I'm sure you've heard the rumblings that he's dating eighty other people, so some girls like up undated.

39:53 Speaker 3: You just found out they were in a serious relationship.

39:57 Speaker 1: That one I don't know about because like, probably.

39:59 Speaker 3: Not, he give it so much.

40:03 Speaker 2: Okay, I want to read you guys the joint press release. Yeah, the iowa's press release that they put out. That really shook me, that both of them put it out on both of their Instagram stories.

40:19 Speaker 4: Oh, before you read it, I just want to say, like, did you see what I posted about? How you post a story or you post like a breakup announcement with your husband three months ago and then another joint statement with your boyfriend three months later.

40:31 Speaker 3: That's wow, peak housewives level. Okay.

40:35 Speaker 2: So from the iOS press release, from the Instagram stories of both Amanda and West, we've seen the growing online speculation. So while this is still very new, we wanted to provide some clarity. It was never our intention to purposely hide anything, even though that's what they did, given the complicated relationship dynamics involved in the scrutiny that comes with being on a reality show. We needed a little space to process things privately before speaking on it, enjoy.

41:06 Speaker 3: The moments while we could.

41:08 Speaker 2: We've shown up for each other as friends over the years, through all the highs and the lows. But you and West or you and Sierra, Okay, and what's developed recently was the last thing either of us expected. Our connection grew out of a genuine, long standing friendship, which made it especially important for us to approach this with care, Care for whom, Care for whom?

41:33 Speaker 3: Okay.

41:34 Speaker 2: As our feelings evolved, we wanted to take time to understand exactly what we were feeling. We also recognized that this has had an impact beyond just us and never wanted our actions to cause any hurt or be perceived as careless. The word is selfish and you know this hurt and it's not causing her this hurt.

41:55 Speaker 3: This was a bad one. This is a bad thing.

41:57 Speaker 2: We truly appreciate the understanding and respect as we navigate this. Well, you get none of it, so I don't know what you appreciate and respect my privacy during this time that.

42:07 Speaker 3: You what.

42:11 Speaker 2: And being like Please This is like when Taylor h Taylor, Frankie Paul was like, this is the lowest part of my life.

42:17 Speaker 3: Baby girl.

42:18 Speaker 2: You threw the pinch and the steel bard stool, stop Feller stuff, and you won't have no more lows.

42:25 Speaker 4: I'm just curious what their plan was because I felt like they had to come out with a statement because we were all saying, as the fandom, it's the silence that is deafening. So I feel like they felt like they had to say something they obviously couldn't do it today it's April, fools. They can't wait that much longer because the reunion is coming up. I would love to get through this at the reunion.

42:47 Speaker 3: But like I just I hear it's in like two weeks.

42:51 Speaker 1: Yeah, so like the fifteenth or something. Fifteenth, Yeah, I think it's the fifteenth.

42:55 Speaker 4: I just feel like I don't understand the selfishness the Carol dismiss all of that because you knew how much this was going. So what was the plan, Like, what were you guys thinking and was this statement part of it or were you planning to just really try to figure it out between the two of you and determine whether it was worth pursuing like I need more information.

43:16 Speaker 2: It was worth putting it out there because what if it's just nothing?

43:19 Speaker 3: And if it's nothing, Mart.

43:23 Speaker 2: But that's the thing, even if it was nothing, it shouldn't ever it should have been a non starter.

43:27 Speaker 1: You're the man felt something aboard.

43:31 Speaker 2: As soon as soon as that happened, and tell your friend, why is it that is is a blonde statue, Sierra, And honestly, not for nothing. This is not a stick up for Kyle, but it honestly shouldn't have even been a blind side to Kyle. You are still married.

43:46 Speaker 1: I just thought of something.

43:47 Speaker 4: We were so mad at Jesse for not asking Sierra first, if they could make out that he asked West first, but we just had that same situation here. You didn't ask Sierra if it was okay for you to date West.

44:00 Speaker 1: You just asked West.

44:02 Speaker 4: Anyway, you ask the person that matter, like you did the same shit talk that we all got mad about with Jesse.

44:08 Speaker 3: Yes, you should have talked to your good duty, especially girls. Girl. We were really liking them being friends together.

44:15 Speaker 2: You know, we watched the origin of Gigly Squad and all the things that those girlies are doing from Summerhouse being in the bed, those two girls being having fun. We want to see the friendships in Summerhouse. I mean Hannah and Paige, Like we watched them develop their like whole like persona, being good girly pop friends, right, I love well, you know, we watch Kyle and Parl for Better or Worse have a romance and their you know, true brotherhood, start a business, all these things. That's what we like about this show.

44:46 Speaker 2: It's the parties and the friendships.

44:48 Speaker 3: Right.

44:48 Speaker 2: Seeing Amanda and Sierra actually gave me something that kind of root for for a little bit. I really liked their friendship and and them hanging out together and being like something they were together I would like. And so to see this, it's like, did you just forget you were there? You just forgot how to be a friend, or like, what is it? Because the moment you felt a thing, you should have told your friend. You are not in high school. You don't need to fret and be scared and write it in your diary, te your diary.

45:17 Speaker 3: I just don't know if she's gonna understand.

45:19 Speaker 2: But Wes winked at me in third period today, and it truly just I felt all the fields he pushed me, believe me.

45:29 Speaker 3: Gosh, I hope I'll be happy if she'll be happy for me.

45:31 Speaker 2: Sincerely, Amanda, girl, you are grown too grown, and I send the girl you a text message. I really hate to think your sar's crashing out about this. This doesn't make any sense to me, Like why you would do this and why you would do this to your friend? Like I'm not even gonna give it to Wes because him being a bad friend and being a shit man. I'm gonna chalk that up to him being a man, because men just have a high prinsity for being assholes.

45:55 Speaker 1: And he doesn't have the same.

45:56 Speaker 4: I mean, I know we're giving him less smoke, but that's there is a difference, right I mean.

46:01 Speaker 3: Amanda, good to see you, or do to Amanda for you to do this.

46:05 Speaker 2: We know that Wes is just going to be an ass to anybody, but he needs to be an ass to someone else so that you and I, Amanda and Sierra can tweet and turn and text each other and be like, Girley, did you see that he you know, just kind of lookship with that other girl like rot real quick. Then you're supposed to be like, oh wow, but he couldn't commit to you crazy, like you're supposed to be on my side.

46:27 Speaker 3: We're supposed to be teeming girley pops.

46:29 Speaker 4: So what do you think this means for the future of the show. They can't film together and I don't even know it's for sale.

46:34 Speaker 3: What do you think the show and what do you think it means?

46:37 Speaker 4: My understanding was that was before and I don't really think that means anything because yeah, they've been in that same house for many years, but it hasn't always been the same house.

46:45 Speaker 1: It doesn't really matter what the house is.

46:47 Speaker 3: I think it's just like we were using this as an omen maybe.

46:51 Speaker 4: I just I feel like, you know, Amanda supposed to be on In the City, which makes no sense to me now because that is that's a show about you guys being married, and you're not anymore. So I don't even what In the City season two would even be. Both put Amanda aside for a second. West and Sierra were theoretically supposed to continue on with the cast that is currently on Summerhouse. They can't film together, and it would be really unfair for her to like have to get over it so that she can keep her job, and this is another situation where I feel like this actually happened to Stass back in season four.

47:19 Speaker 4: I'm not talking about when she was fired. I'm talking about when she quit. She quit in season four because of what Jackson all of them did to her, and she walked away saying to herself, why did I have to leave? I didn't do anything wrong. They did, but because I can't work with these people who have tried to ruin my life, I have to leave.

47:36 Speaker 1: And I feel like that's.

47:36 Speaker 4: What's going to happen to Sierra, because she's not gonna be able to get over it understandably, and then that's why she's to be kicked off the show. That's the only thing that's fair. Yeah, I don't want to lose her job over this, but that's.

47:47 Speaker 3: Really part of the show.

47:49 Speaker 2: And she's performing well, she's beautiful, she's getting all these opportunities.

47:53 Speaker 3: It's a great thing for her.

47:55 Speaker 2: It's not her fault that people are selfish assholes, even.

47:58 Speaker 3: Though there's supposed to.

48:00 Speaker 2: But and I don't know, because it also does mean that you know them together all on the show.

48:06 Speaker 3: It's definitely not fun.

48:07 Speaker 2: We're entering a new muddy territory where people's selfishness, the ego, the different stuff has really gotten in the way. I didn't expect the scand of all on Summer House at all at all, at all, head.

48:24 Speaker 4: Like, even when the rumors first came out and then they died down a bit, like, was the idea of it still so shocking to you because there was no way you could fathom that Amanda would do this this sere like was that in your head at all?

48:36 Speaker 3: No, I really didn't think that she was going to do this.

48:40 Speaker 2: Okay, now the aftermath of her like not apologizing, not taking accountability, taking too long, whatever, This doesn't surprise me because if you can move this way, did sure you can be why wouldn't you double down?

48:54 Speaker 3: And the asshole we of it all? You know what I mean.

48:57 Speaker 2: But I guess I'm not shocked, but I'm disappointed. I am disappointed. I will say this, I'm always disappointed when I lose a white woman faith. I do because there's so few of y'all out there that are good inside.

49:11 Speaker 3: And that's that's the truth.

49:13 Speaker 2: Because a lot of y'all come to my dms like I got Thanksgiving AKA or Christmas or my child's baptism or whatever with all my family, and let me tell you, Aunt Kathy, she she on one. She's you know, she is a terrible lady. And I be feeling for y'all. They tell me I released an episode. Oh I needed this right before I go and I talk to so and so because I can't stand her.

49:34 Speaker 3: She is the worst.

49:35 Speaker 2: And I'm like, it's listen, I'm not out here saying all white women. Y'all are saying that. And I really need you to collect the examples of you know, of the proof. Somebody needs to sit that girl down and be like, you're ruining it for the.

49:52 Speaker 1: You are ruining it.

49:53 Speaker 3: You are where is dewish sign? You're ruined it?

49:57 Speaker 2: Did a bad job, This was a flop, FuMB old stop release a different statement.

50:03 Speaker 3: And also we don't.

50:05 Speaker 2: I just I hate to think that if that's what we got, Sierra got even less and that I really hate.

50:10 Speaker 1: I really do too.

50:11 Speaker 4: I saw a photo of her sitting on the ground. It was taken by page six. It was allegedly taken one minute before these statements were released, So I want to assume that she got something at that point that was before TMZ. But who knows she's lying on the ground in like a white dress, like maybe she was at a photo shoot. And there's a man who sort of looks like Dez Hannah's husband is sort of comforting her. I have no idea who he is. He looks extremely old, but the concept that it was one minute before those joint statements dropped and you can see the despair in her face.

50:43 Speaker 4: I mean, the one thing I'd love to come out of this is an Arianomatics moment, not for Amanda, but for Sierra. Why not, Yeah, why can't she be Roxy on Broadway. Let's do it right to give her her chops.

50:58 Speaker 2: This is like a reverse gand I kind of like it because we thought it would be you, Amanda, and you fumbled your own glow up.

51:05 Speaker 1: Yes we were loving to glow up.

51:06 Speaker 4: But we're like, go with Amanda, sleep with every house, do everything.

51:11 Speaker 2: Take on the city. You were now one of the single girlies. You and see Era can be beautiful in the city. Summer will be fun. Oh my god, ruined.

51:20 Speaker 1: It Not that hard fun.

51:22 Speaker 4: It's not that hard to be fun because all you have to do is say anyone but West.

51:26 Speaker 1: That's it.

51:27 Speaker 3: That was a girl. It's it's really giving.

51:31 Speaker 2: Also, didn't we just have someone like denying allegations that she was having dates with them. She was having a date with them, like a couple of weeks ago. I want to say. It was like, don't even come in my DM. Was it just it was like, don't even say we were on a date, because we weren't.

51:46 Speaker 3: It was just a friendship thing or whatever.

51:48 Speaker 2: Before dumases it and Dumal actually saw it, I'm like, so were you who were Were you really telling nobody that you were doing this?

51:57 Speaker 1: No, they were because the initial doom wa thing. She reached out to Ryan Bailey.

52:02 Speaker 3: I don't know.

52:02 Speaker 4: This trajectory of what happened here is what has kept it in my brain this whole time. She reaches out to Ryan Bailey and says it's true, and he.

52:09 Speaker 1: Says, how do you know?

52:10 Speaker 4: And she goes because they are telling people, that's the weird part. Then there was House of Bravo, and beyond the blinds, they were also getting dms. This was like a month ago, So how can there be this many people reaching out and saying it. It's because you're doing it in public. So I don't think that they were hiding it. And that's why I'm confused, Like, you guys are doing this so weirdly.

52:29 Speaker 3: It's so worse.

52:30 Speaker 2: And again for Wes, what is wrong? We were all looking at the girl. You're sure we just chucked up that she has a bad picker, and men, even the white ones, you know, they're just not there's so many.

52:42 Speaker 4: There's so few men regardless, So like I want to give her that, Like, listen, I've been single for like a decade and a half.

52:47 Speaker 1: There are no men. There are no men.

52:49 Speaker 2: Yeah, she's doing her best yet and I did, and I can't imagine being Sierra.

52:53 Speaker 3: She's like, I'm really cretty. That's a good thing, and it's it's not.

52:58 Speaker 2: These men are so upset about it and Karen and then they will leave me alone and I'm like come closer and they're like ah. And then Wes, really, I'm looking at Amanda. You don't think you're pretty?

53:09 Speaker 3: Even for Wes.

53:10 Speaker 2: You're gonna blow up your friendship, your life, your job, everything for this man.

53:15 Speaker 3: Okay, now he.

53:17 Speaker 4: Cares what you think about the mental health aspect, because it just came out that apparently, poor Amanda has really been struggling with her mental health. Kyle was caught with a man on the street interview, and people are kind of coming back with.

53:28 Speaker 1: What about Sierra's mental health?

53:30 Speaker 4: They both have mental health issues, so people are Cyberlie, sorry, but.

53:37 Speaker 3: We just saw Sierra on the side of a building sobbing. Yeah, so I'm going about.

53:42 Speaker 2: Her mental health? Sure, yeah, because of your actions. Your mental health is triggered by your actions. But accountability can help with that.

53:51 Speaker 4: If you say, oh my bad, I fucked up. Do you really think you're still gonna get death threats?

53:56 Speaker 3: Probably not right.

53:57 Speaker 1: It's gonna be different if you're like I am wrong.

54:00 Speaker 2: Part of being in therapy and in taking control of your mental health when you have really shitty mental health, and I mean I got it bad to girl, I get it. I got so many diagnoses codes. I mean it's like a Russian roulette.

54:13 Speaker 3: I never know.

54:14 Speaker 2: I got a prescription of delivered almost er available every day for this brain of mind to keep me going. You still are not exempt from accountability though, when you mess up, because again, how you process information, how you choose to emote and react, and how you emote and.

54:30 Speaker 3: React with that information is what the mental helping you with.

54:34 Speaker 2: It does not change the behavior that you are going.

54:39 Speaker 3: To like or the decisions that you make.

54:41 Speaker 2: It can impact, it can maybe even in pair, but it can't make them for you. So you chose to do these things and yeah, sure you did the impulsive. Well what about if she has the big impulse and she kissed Wes in the moment that was that impulses with the ADHD and all the things they fade, they.

54:59 Speaker 3: Come and go.

55:00 Speaker 2: You chose to lean into it every single time without thinking about the consequences, the aftermath or the fallout. Every single time you ignore those things. All those times weren't triggers. All those times weren't you disassociating emotionally because of you know, someone saying something to doing something to you?

55:18 Speaker 3: All those times that wasn't the case.

55:20 Speaker 2: You telling other people and Nazierra and then letting the world find out and you responding this way is not because of any of the mental health things you had. Those are choices. You have four communication skills. You're not a very accountable individual. Your integrity sucks. Who is your mom and dad? I would like to have a parents at a conference?

55:38 Speaker 4: No, for sure, And we kind of liked her parents for a minute because her dad laughed at the idea of Kyle asking for Amanda's hand, and now I kind of want to talk to Frank Petula because I'm very concerned about the way your daughter treats other people. And to have no it's like you said, it's a continuing on. You may have had this moment, you were drunk, you were high, whatever, but it's what Sina said. This wasn't just one of those moments. This is a full on affair, full of.

56:10 Speaker 2: Full on So you're choosing to give into this impulse every single time. It's not an impulse anymore. It's a pathology, it's a it's a choice, it's a habit, it's a pattern, and you gotta do you gotta do something about that because you did the hurt people, hurt people, think to a wrong person.

56:26 Speaker 3: You wouldn't hurt a man and even hurt Kyle.

56:29 Speaker 1: You're Sierra for.

56:31 Speaker 3: What, Like, I just don't think it was worth it.

56:33 Speaker 2: You could have had your Arian moment and now you're having your Raquel moment.

56:38 Speaker 3: Yeah.

56:38 Speaker 1: I love that. That's a great line.

56:40 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, like, listen, Rihanna unfollows you. That's it. Go wrap it up.

56:45 Speaker 2: Yeah, well that would be enough reached out right now, to Seierra and be like, oh my god, I've seen the era of my ways. I'm on the wrong side of things. Because what so, what do you think.

56:56 Speaker 1: Is gonna happen now?

56:57 Speaker 4: Do you think she's going to try to course correct with a new PR per, try to apologize.

57:01 Speaker 1: Do you think she can come back? I do think there's any way.

57:04 Speaker 2: Sorry, I don't think there's any way, But I think that she should hire a PR person.

57:07 Speaker 3: I think that it'll blow over.

57:09 Speaker 2: Listen, Saucy's back to hosting reunions and you know, so it can happen for anybody, it really can. I think she'll be all right. I think that they might delay filming for a little bit, but I also think they'll give Sierra a choice. I'll be like, well, I think they might be like, what do you want to do?

57:26 Speaker 3: Do you want to film with them? Do you want.

57:28 Speaker 2: To film something separate? Different, Like we gotta do something because summer's around the corner, so something.

57:37 Speaker 3: And it should be fun.

57:38 Speaker 2: But I think that they know that, and I think they also think it should be fun for Sierra. I'm not interested to see your HASI's relationship with Wes with in Amanda and y'all, fighting about this, and now you know, that's not fun for viewers, and it's not the drama for Sierra, especially when the overwhelming public is one sided.

57:55 Speaker 3: It doesn't make for good TV. Do not do that.

57:58 Speaker 2: It ruined the last season of Vana Rules, don't do it. So I think they postponed filming a little bit, and I think they just give it a break and let it. I think they'll come back around, and Sierra might and her might never be close again, but I think that they I think she'll move on, they'll get some new people, and she can find a way to hopefully keep her job in her situation, and she continues to glow up and we get her a good man bachelorette call her.

58:26 Speaker 4: I was somebody put her on, but Rachel. It was Rachel Linday who said it. Then she's like, you know what, I know that the whole song and dancing.

58:33 Speaker 3: Don't you're terrible to black women? Never mind, I forgot, I.

58:37 Speaker 2: Forgot I was talking. I don't deserve her. I've watched every Black Girls season and it's terrible. I mean, starting with Rachel Lindsay, they was started really bad. Beat they've all gotten to brun But you know give somebody Sierra deserves an opportunity to, you know, do something else.

58:56 Speaker 4: And I think it's wild, just given the way the world typically is, the way it treats people of color, that for some reason the Bravo fandom is on the right side of this this time. That feels great, and I hope it stays that way. I hope it's nice that people are making the right decisions and having the right opinions this time.

59:13 Speaker 3: That that just feels finally fingers crossed.

59:15 Speaker 2: But I think also because it's West, we've seen him be like not really a good catch, and we've seen him be not a great catch to someone we knew was out of his league with Sierra, and so to see her friend get in a relationship with him just feels icky.

59:31 Speaker 3: It just does.

59:32 Speaker 2: It's like, regardless of how awful and all kilter we can be as a Bravo community on the wrong side of history, a lot, y'all still loves and there we go. But seriously, it's like, I'm sorry, mister out of Sierra's league is with her friend, her bff.

59:52 Speaker 3: Jail Oh bitch nasty.

59:56 Speaker 4: No, it would be insane like Kim and Kroy, Okay, but if when Croy broke up because he was sleeping with Cherie, that would be a big deal, right, like if it's somebody else actually, or you know, it's that's what makes it the scandal all ask And I just thought Amanda was too smart to do something this stupid.

1:00:12 Speaker 1: And that's on me, I guess for thinking that she was this intelligent.

1:00:15 Speaker 2: I did too. And they said that Andy Coweny is tired.

1:00:20 Speaker 2: It's such a mess. It's been an interesting week for Bravo. I'm like, part of me is like, oh my god, Summerhouse News. Part of me is like Jinshaw is doing an interview. Oh, she is out of prison, y'all? Did let that happen?

1:00:34 Speaker 1: Not the time, Jen, not the time. We have other things to do.

1:00:37 Speaker 3: Right their, don't you know? We got a lot going on right now. Bravo is like she.

1:00:41 Speaker 4: Did that last Oh my god, I forgot about that. Her first week in prison, she had her husband Sharif, reading from her diary off of Instagram and it was the day scandal all happened. And people were like, not now, I've.

1:00:53 Speaker 3: About to say whatever you're talking about.

1:00:54 Speaker 2: I have no idea because I remember Scanda all like it was yesterday. I had to stop everything I was doing myself. So Jim was doing anything wasn't with me? Chap listen somewhere else has been fun to watch. Lindsay's apartment is gorgeous.

1:01:12 Speaker 4: Holy, she's cosplaying as a Roney housewife right now, like her vibe or for dis apartment?

1:01:17 Speaker 3: I said, does she need to be all like? Okay, we doim?

1:01:20 Speaker 2: She tried, She those people, Okay, but and it's okay. We're gonna go okay and get over. Are you excited for before we get out of here? You were excited for Rhode Island?

1:01:31 Speaker 3: Yes?

1:01:31 Speaker 1: And can I make a quick announcement about Rhode Island?

1:01:33 Speaker 3: Oh my god? Yes?

1:01:35 Speaker 1: Okay.

1:01:35 Speaker 4: So I do this limited series on my podcast called Bee True Hollywood Story.

1:01:39 Speaker 1: It tells you the story of your favorite Bravo lebs from Brisky geddel to start up and everything in between.

1:01:45 Speaker 4: So, because one of them is now well, Ashley, I is the one that I decided to do.

1:01:49 Speaker 1: Not because she is from Bachelor Nations.

1:01:51 Speaker 4: So I know all her lore, her oole history, her crying, all of that. So I recorded a two hour episode of Bee True Hollywood Story which she'll tell you everything you need to know about Ashley I to be released on Thursday morning.

1:02:03 Speaker 2: Oh my god, I actually I loved I will totally be listening to that because I loved Ashley iron Cody for since Bachelor. I mean, I if you're an OG listener of the you know the mixwe money back when it was mixing with money. I love Bachelor, back and forth. I'd be back and forth, Bravo, Bachelor, Bava Bachelor. But Tuesday, Monday Night, Tuesday nights, Hello, Monday and Tuesday nights. You could not talk to me, but back in the day.

1:02:29 Speaker 3: Okay. So I love Ashley.

1:02:31 Speaker 2: I was so excited for her to be on this season because it we never get that crossover of Bachelor and to Bravo and vice versa.

1:02:38 Speaker 3: It's then, I feel often that we deserve. So I think this is gonna be great.

1:02:42 Speaker 2: They got a girly on there who's been in a relationship for ten plus years but no marriage in sight. Love that for us because we can't wait to judge with our eyes and miles and go hunh. That's a choice. I can't wait, And Dolorous is in the midst of it all. So I'm so happy.

1:02:59 Speaker 1: It's two franchises at the same time.

1:03:02 Speaker 2: Who shows to check love that fidolo and she's engaged at the same time as both of her kids, Her and our children are all engaged.

1:03:13 Speaker 3: Those are so cute, you know, Sierra.

1:03:18 Speaker 4: We just need a happiness for her, I know, and you know what it's gonna happen for her.

1:03:22 Speaker 3: It really is.

1:03:22 Speaker 2: I have to believe it because we've been wanting a fidelo for so long. Yeah, it's gotta happen to manifest.

1:03:27 Speaker 4: Like Amanda would say, let's just try to make that shit happen for sus.

1:03:33 Speaker 1: Listen, trying to be positive.

1:03:35 Speaker 2: She need to manifest some knows to manifest a clue, to manifest a clue. Oh my god, Tana, it's been so lovely having you here. Thank you so much for being here today, for chatting with me about this summer house mess.

1:03:49 Speaker 3: Oh my god, where can people listen to you? Find you?

1:03:52 Speaker 2: And of course, I mean if they're in a if they're under a rock, we'll forgive them, We'll get grace to them, not Amanda. Where can they also then hear about this? You know, hear this episode this be true Hollywood Story which excellent d title. By the way, I think I've said before I loved E True Hollywood Story back.

1:04:10 Speaker 3: In the day.

1:04:12 Speaker 2: I loved it bad like That's why I really like the Dirty Rotten Scandal series that they just put out, because it really felt reminiscent of is true Hollywood Story back in the day. It really felt good. So where can they hear that? Because I'll be listening. I know where to go so well.

1:04:26 Speaker 4: Thank you so much for having me first of all, but you guys can follow me on Instagram, TikTok, and threads at the Bravo Investigator. You can download the Bravo Investigator podcast wherever you get your podcasts or watch on YouTube and y'all. On Thursday, I will be releasing be True Hollywood Story, Ashley.

1:04:41 Speaker 2: I Yes, thank you so much for being here, Dana. Thank you guys so much for listening.

1:04:46 Speaker 3: Again.

1:04:48 Speaker 2: That's spend Dana. I've been MONI you know where to find me on all the things at Mixing with Money and my xyng W I T H M A N I. Thank you guys so much for listening. To care yourselves and stay tuned by