233. WHAT WAS THE REASON?!: Summer House News w/ Dana (@TheBravoInvestigator)

0:00 Speaker 1: Soundstruzz.

0:10 Speaker 2: Oh Hello, Hello, Hello, beautiful and wonderful mixologists out there.

0:14 Speaker 2: It is your girl Moni and you are back in

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0:28 Speaker 2: is we can't stop talking about. And today like none

0:32 Speaker 2: other y'all't even know you know, O we're here. I'm

0:35 Speaker 2: sure you've been like, why are you late? And that's

0:38 Speaker 2: because I had to fine time to record with my girl, Dana,

0:42 Speaker 2: the Bravo Investigator. I had to get time to get

0:45 Speaker 2: her here on the pod so we can break down

0:48 Speaker 2: some very big hot Bravo news.

0:51 Speaker 3: Dana, how are you? Thank you for being here?

0:54 Speaker 1: Well, thank you for having me. But Mani, what do

0:56 Speaker 1: you mean? What's been going on?

0:57 Speaker 2: You know, it's like this little thing. There's this show

1:01 Speaker 2: that I guess maybe some people have heard about. I

1:02 Speaker 2: guess somebody somebody might watch the show called like Summer House.

1:07 Speaker 2: I was gonna try to make a joke and call

1:09 Speaker 2: a Winterhouse, but that's also a show.

1:11 Speaker 4: So that is something that I always think will be

1:15 Speaker 4: a thing one day because Kyle will always be on

1:17 Speaker 4: this show until it is retirement House.

1:20 Speaker 3: That actually would be hilarious because I love watching old

1:23 Speaker 3: people do stuff. I'm not lying, right, They're so fun.

1:25 Speaker 3: You know, they're so fun. Hello. That's one of the

1:28 Speaker 3: reasons y'all love Ronny the old school Roney so much.

1:31 Speaker 2: They were the most then and mature cast that we had,

1:36 Speaker 2: but they were the most hilarious, outlandish, badass like all

1:42 Speaker 2: over the top women. That was the gang. Watching people

1:46 Speaker 2: of retirement age do stuff is enjoyable. Watching people this

1:51 Speaker 2: current age of young prime make different that make good

1:55 Speaker 2: decision making years watch these people make bad decisions not

2:00 Speaker 2: as good of a time. That is why we're here

2:03 Speaker 2: today because some people are like on this show. Yeah,

2:07 Speaker 2: and if you if you didn't know, there's a little

2:10 Speaker 2: show called Summerhouse. We're a group of friends. They get

2:14 Speaker 2: together and they go to the house for the weekend.

2:17 Speaker 2: I find it to be the fastest turnaround time. I

2:20 Speaker 2: still think that, like, do they have a monopoly of

2:24 Speaker 2: time or a different understanding of time than I do?

2:27 Speaker 2: Or maybe is it just my ADHD is that bad?

2:30 Speaker 2: I cannot fathom going to a week like a house

2:32 Speaker 2: for a weekend, even like it just for like and

2:36 Speaker 2: doing it consistently. I need vacation. I need separation between

2:41 Speaker 2: work and vacation, and then preparing for vacation and going

2:44 Speaker 2: to a beach house to party would be vacation for me.

2:47 Speaker 2: So to go back to work on a Monday and

2:49 Speaker 2: then do it all over again the very next weekend

2:52 Speaker 2: would destroy me totally.

2:54 Speaker 1: But here are the caveats.

2:56 Speaker 4: One, First of all, it's an insane drive up there,

2:58 Speaker 4: So I can't even believe that they do that because

3:00 Speaker 4: it's not like, Oh, I live in New York and

3:02 Speaker 4: I'm going to the Hamptons and that's twenty minutes away.

3:04 Speaker 4: It's not it's hours in traffic. But two, no one

3:07 Speaker 4: is going to work on Monday. Let's keep in mind

3:09 Speaker 4: none of these people have real jobs anymore, So there

3:12 Speaker 4: is that. But yeah, the exhaustion of going back and forth,

3:15 Speaker 4: Like imagine that even for lindsay just a baby, right,

3:17 Speaker 4: Like what if there's an emergency and you're on like

3:19 Speaker 4: this three hour drive from the Hamptons, Like yes, but

3:22 Speaker 4: you gotta do it for the job right out of there.

3:25 Speaker 2: Like it's it feels like it's always it's such a destination,

3:29 Speaker 2: and they really do make that track granted this is

3:31 Speaker 2: also like their job now, so that does help sweeten

3:35 Speaker 2: the pot, and so you know when we watch for

3:37 Speaker 2: that and y'all, this season of Summerhouse has been really

3:40 Speaker 2: good to people.

3:41 Speaker 3: We've been having a nice time overall.

3:43 Speaker 2: I've been really like enjoying, you know, the developments, the loes,

3:47 Speaker 2: the highs, the lows, the awkward moments.

3:50 Speaker 3: Oh there was the Carl.

3:52 Speaker 2: I love him, but sober Carl is sometimes really awkward.

3:56 Speaker 3: It makes so the cringe is hard for me.

3:58 Speaker 4: I'm just like, yeah, he's sort of like an old

4:00 Speaker 4: man now in his soberness, you know, it's like old man.

4:04 Speaker 2: Yeah in a house full of young, barely clothed.

4:07 Speaker 3: Party kids were drinking.

4:10 Speaker 1: Yeah.

4:10 Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels that we invited that, not even the teacher,

4:13 Speaker 2: the dean, like the dean of the college, to the

4:16 Speaker 2: frat party in the house.

4:18 Speaker 4: Woman, He's like, okay, so totally, but Kyle used to

4:22 Speaker 4: be the head of this house and just give them

4:24 Speaker 4: the erratic way he's been acting lately, and just acting

4:26 Speaker 4: like such a little bitch baby to be quite frank,

4:28 Speaker 4: I hope I can use that word. Then maybe Carl

4:31 Speaker 4: could be the head of the house, right he's the

4:32 Speaker 4: responsible one now, like he should be the one in charge.

4:35 Speaker 3: He should be the den mother. Yeah, should you know?

4:38 Speaker 2: I do agree, because Kyle he summer should be fun. Kyle,

4:42 Speaker 2: You're not fun. The only thing negative con I wouldn't

4:45 Speaker 2: even have to said about this season so far is

4:48 Speaker 2: Kyle's bad attitude.

4:49 Speaker 3: He yelling a lot, He's saying mean things.

4:52 Speaker 2: No one likes to see people fight with their spouse, ever,

4:56 Speaker 2: especially when you're in mixed company of couples, friends, or

5:00 Speaker 2: like in single people, or even when you're just couples

5:03 Speaker 2: and couples. But just like when you're in mixed company,

5:06 Speaker 2: it's always hella awkward when the married couple starts to

5:10 Speaker 2: bicker or someone starts picking, like we can see your

5:13 Speaker 2: your your your holes.

5:15 Speaker 3: Kyle is like, yeah, wee.

5:19 Speaker 2: Kyle is like, if he's going through it, baby, he

5:22 Speaker 2: gotta make sure everybody and this motherfucker know he going

5:25 Speaker 2: through it. Kyle wants everyone to know just how miserable

5:29 Speaker 2: his life is right now, and how dare Amanda not

5:32 Speaker 2: be nice damn about it and not care. He's not

5:35 Speaker 2: gonna be He's letting us know he won't be happy

5:37 Speaker 2: unless he's miserable with him and co miserating out loud

5:42 Speaker 2: about it, like, oh, don't you know he's having such

5:45 Speaker 2: a hard time. Look, Kyle, your attitude needs to change,

5:49 Speaker 2: and why are you yelling at that girl? This is

5:51 Speaker 2: me giving a little bit of talking about from what

5:55 Speaker 2: I'm seeing on the show.

5:56 Speaker 3: One.

5:57 Speaker 2: Yes, we all know we get to speak from a

5:58 Speaker 2: place if we know they never should have gotten married.

6:00 Speaker 3: This never should have happened.

6:02 Speaker 2: So we know they are separated or whatever now because

6:06 Speaker 2: they never should have gotten married. Seeing the Cracks show

6:09 Speaker 2: this season is like part for the course when you

6:13 Speaker 2: know what we waited, what we saw when they first

6:16 Speaker 2: got together, through when they were leading up to their wedding,

6:19 Speaker 2: and then to now. It's not shocking at all, but

6:22 Speaker 2: it is like seeing them bicker and seeing him talk

6:25 Speaker 2: to her crazy. It is really that that's a hard

6:30 Speaker 2: thing for me to drink to like party with.

6:34 Speaker 3: I don't want to great.

6:36 Speaker 4: Pointing because we're supposed to be watching the show for

6:38 Speaker 4: fun and being enjoying it, and you know, maybe watching

6:41 Speaker 4: with our friends or our family having food, having drinks

6:44 Speaker 4: and you calling your wife a dumb ass bitch just

6:47 Speaker 4: you know, doesn't really give me the appetite.

6:51 Speaker 2: Yeah, I said, Oh, that's a bummer. I don't like that.

6:55 Speaker 2: That sounds sad. This man this is just calling his

6:59 Speaker 2: wife a dumbass bitch. It's not the kind of behavior

7:03 Speaker 2: that So if you don't watch this show or you

7:05 Speaker 2: don't know who these people are, you're even more taken

7:08 Speaker 2: aback and horrified by the idea of like, I'm sorry,

7:11 Speaker 2: what did he just say to that woman? Oh yeah,

7:13 Speaker 2: he just called his wife a dumbass bitch. His what

7:16 Speaker 2: But he's not also crying at the fact that you

7:19 Speaker 2: borrowed a billion dollars for some sparkling Seltzer alcohol ty.

7:26 Speaker 3: Okay.

7:27 Speaker 4: That was also sort of new to me because we

7:29 Speaker 4: knew he had taken a business loan, but now we're

7:32 Speaker 4: talking about it as a personal loan. And I am

7:34 Speaker 4: positive he said it was a business loan, not a

7:37 Speaker 4: personal loan. So now that you're saying it's a personal

7:40 Speaker 4: loan and you yourself are on the hook for it,

7:42 Speaker 4: well that's different information. I don't know why anyone wasn't

7:44 Speaker 4: clocking that, But we're busy with other things, obviously, we're busy.

7:47 Speaker 2: With the Even when I watching it, I was like,

7:52 Speaker 2: you said that, and I was like y'a. So you

7:54 Speaker 2: didn't talk to your wife about it beforehand? That's crazy.

7:59 Speaker 2: And I'm not here cap for Amanda, but I am

8:02 Speaker 2: a wife. And if you took out more than one

8:05 Speaker 2: hundred dollars of a loan from anybody while we're married

8:09 Speaker 2: and I don't know about it, holy shit.

8:12 Speaker 4: Oh no, that would be my reaction too. It was

8:15 Speaker 4: interesting to hear her say, oh no, that's none of

8:17 Speaker 4: my business, right, he's the business man. Who who am

8:20 Speaker 4: I to say? And then she says later on that

8:21 Speaker 4: they have completely separate bank accounts, so maybe it really

8:25 Speaker 4: doesn't impact her.

8:26 Speaker 1: I really don't know.

8:28 Speaker 3: I don't know.

8:28 Speaker 2: I don't Maybe it doesn't, but it's still it would

8:31 Speaker 2: to me if you talk right. But we're also we're

8:34 Speaker 2: a two income household, even if it has two different

8:37 Speaker 2: bank accounts, we're a two income household. It's something's that

8:40 Speaker 2: to jeopardize your income to that effect that jeopardizes our household,

8:45 Speaker 2: even if, like you know, if you get an influx

8:49 Speaker 2: of money, I want to know about it because we're a.

8:52 Speaker 3: Too income household. Goddamn it? What you mean? Him over here?

8:55 Speaker 2: Like, okay, so I guess we have to pay this

8:56 Speaker 2: bill next week, and that one this week when you

8:58 Speaker 2: get paid and you just can't him into two point

9:00 Speaker 2: one million dollars. You little bitch, babe. You're the dumbass bitch.

9:05 Speaker 2: How dare you, Amanda? You need a backbone. Let's get

9:09 Speaker 2: to roasting you, because the backbone is so gone. It's

9:14 Speaker 2: so gone. I see that when I saw her say, well,

9:17 Speaker 2: he's this businessman and I didn't know how to question him. Okay,

9:20 Speaker 2: so your judgment is very poor when it comes to men.

9:24 Speaker 2: That's what it sounds like.

9:25 Speaker 1: From that's always been true.

9:27 Speaker 4: I mean he cheated on her the same summer that

9:29 Speaker 4: they got engaged.

9:30 Speaker 3: Okay.

9:31 Speaker 1: He has said.

9:32 Speaker 4: Things to her like I haven't flirted with anyone in

9:35 Speaker 4: three months, and she's like, we've been together for three years,

9:37 Speaker 4: Like what are you saying?

9:38 Speaker 3: Right?

9:39 Speaker 4: So, like she has put up with quite a lot,

9:41 Speaker 4: and I think it's something in her. And she has

9:43 Speaker 4: talked about this that when she gets overwhelmed, she'll like

9:47 Speaker 4: pretend things aren't happening. Even when their wedding was kind

9:50 Speaker 4: of going as shit, right, they had like lost their

9:52 Speaker 4: floors as all this stuff, She's like, I'll ignore it,

9:54 Speaker 4: all ignored, and it's like you can't.

9:55 Speaker 1: So I think she's got ten years just ignoring it.

9:58 Speaker 2: Honestly, I mean, I guess, and in doing that, I

10:02 Speaker 2: can't imagine that what you feel like as a person,

10:07 Speaker 2: you're ignoring it. So then how do you justify then

10:09 Speaker 2: doing things two or making bad decisions more than once

10:16 Speaker 2: around these men or in general, if you ignore it

10:21 Speaker 2: in one, you're gonna continue to make those same bad decisions.

10:25 Speaker 3: Hence why you founders.

10:28 Speaker 2: I mean, we all knew again you never should have

10:30 Speaker 2: married the man because you kept forgiving him or getting

10:34 Speaker 2: past whatever thing he did, because you disassociated from the

10:37 Speaker 2: feeling and you could disconnect it from it.

10:39 Speaker 3: I'd be really interested to know.

10:41 Speaker 2: Her trauma history, because her disassociating from things that get

10:47 Speaker 2: hard or stressful or overwhelming is sometimes it could be

10:51 Speaker 2: a trauma response, especially because it just seems like it

10:56 Speaker 2: gets triggered and she completely disconnects. Because when they were

11:00 Speaker 2: like the girl he's in this latest episode of Summer Else,

11:03 Speaker 2: if you're watching, said to her, I don't know if

11:07 Speaker 2: you knew about this loan or whatever. It seemed like

11:10 Speaker 2: she was finding that out and almost in real time,

11:12 Speaker 2: And I thought that was crazy because that would absolutely

11:15 Speaker 2: send me into an orbit, but she disassociated immediately. I

11:19 Speaker 2: watched her, even before confessional, be like, oh, well, yeah,

11:24 Speaker 2: I just I don't really have the energy. I don't

11:27 Speaker 2: know how to respond to that right now. And she

11:29 Speaker 2: kind of admitted that she can't process it. She's just like,

11:33 Speaker 2: I can't do that. I'm just like what And I

11:36 Speaker 2: wasn't judging that. I just clocked that that that's her

11:40 Speaker 2: response to something that would be catatonic to me, Like

11:44 Speaker 2: if I'm married to a person and I'm finding out

11:47 Speaker 2: not just that you took out this, and then to

11:49 Speaker 2: find out that the loan you got that your husband

11:51 Speaker 2: took without you knowing about it was the one you

11:54 Speaker 2: didn't know about.

11:55 Speaker 3: And now what what do you mean?

11:58 Speaker 2: You're now on the hook for the payments and all

12:01 Speaker 2: these things that would then change the.

12:04 Speaker 3: Income of my home even more.

12:06 Speaker 2: And I'm finding out about it from a friend, And

12:08 Speaker 2: in that moment, she doesn't panic, freak out, or even

12:10 Speaker 2: process it emotionally. She tells them I can't and just

12:14 Speaker 2: shuts it down in her mind. Like I'm wondering if

12:18 Speaker 2: she has a habit of doing that, or is it's

12:22 Speaker 2: become a safe place to do that. It just like

12:25 Speaker 2: not when the thing is going to kill you inside internally,

12:29 Speaker 2: you just don't deal with the emotional part of it

12:32 Speaker 2: and don't deal with it at all so that you

12:34 Speaker 2: can continue to do what you're doing.

12:36 Speaker 1: I think that's so exactly what's happening.

12:38 Speaker 3: I do.

12:39 Speaker 4: I think we all know now that she's finally on

12:41 Speaker 4: her right medication that's been really helping with her mental health.

12:45 Speaker 4: But prior to that, so maybe like a year ago

12:47 Speaker 4: and all the years prior to that, I think this

12:49 Speaker 4: was maybe so it could have been a trauma response,

12:51 Speaker 4: or it could also be how her anxiety manifests. Like

12:55 Speaker 4: for me, my anxiety makes me work so much harder.

12:58 Speaker 4: It makes me like, oh my god, I am something

13:00 Speaker 4: you in a month, I need to do it today.

13:01 Speaker 4: Like that's so like I cannot fathom the idea that

13:04 Speaker 4: I have tasks, while I know other people that when

13:07 Speaker 4: they have tasks, their anxiety makes them so overwhelmed that

13:10 Speaker 4: they don't have the ability to do the tasks. And

13:13 Speaker 4: so I wonder if that's it for her when she's

13:15 Speaker 4: really through it.

13:17 Speaker 3: Big with ADHD.

13:18 Speaker 2: I have ADHD as I have anxiety really bad, and

13:21 Speaker 2: I yeah, I am I do disassociate from things really bad.

13:25 Speaker 2: I'm the person like if the parking ticket comes in

13:27 Speaker 2: the mail, I'm gonna look at it forever and it's

13:29 Speaker 2: gonna say I'm gonna put it somewhere else, and I

13:32 Speaker 2: can't deal with it.

13:32 Speaker 3: I can't even open it because I.

13:34 Speaker 2: Know what it is, and I know that it means

13:35 Speaker 2: that I'll have to do the thing even if I

13:37 Speaker 2: have the money, even when I don't, because I need

13:39 Speaker 2: to be able to stress about it whenever I need

13:41 Speaker 2: to for my own anxiety's sake.

13:44 Speaker 3: But I guess that's why. But I also but I.

13:46 Speaker 2: Also know that for me it is a trauma response,

13:49 Speaker 2: like it's okay how my anxiety has manifested now in

13:53 Speaker 2: a way that in past experiences this thing has helped

13:58 Speaker 2: me stay feel safe in my head to just disassociate

14:02 Speaker 2: from it. So when I get anxious, I'll still disassociate

14:05 Speaker 2: from it. So and the reason why I'm like because

14:07 Speaker 2: that also can sometimes.

14:10 Speaker 3: Justify or help people.

14:13 Speaker 2: In their head justify hurting people or doing things regardless

14:18 Speaker 2: of the outcome of how it is to other people.

14:21 Speaker 3: That's what I mean by hurting people.

14:23 Speaker 2: There have been times also where like if you disassociate

14:26 Speaker 2: enough in the things that overwhelms you. Making decisions going

14:31 Speaker 2: forward just for you is easier because you're not connected

14:35 Speaker 2: to the emotional part. But part of that emotional part

14:38 Speaker 2: that you need when you make a decision is the

14:41 Speaker 2: balance or the weighing of options of how this will

14:44 Speaker 2: affect not just me but the people around me. Disassociating

14:48 Speaker 2: from something that processing something means that you might relay

14:52 Speaker 2: the information to someone that you want to divorce them

14:54 Speaker 2: or separate from them without a give a fuck. You

14:57 Speaker 2: might say like, I don't even want to do this anymore.

14:59 Speaker 2: You put on a post to note, you might go somebody.

15:02 Speaker 2: You might do these things because you've disconnected from the

15:05 Speaker 2: emotional part of the decision. But it doesn't like this, Yeah,

15:10 Speaker 2: nobody else has and the only person who knows you've

15:12 Speaker 2: done that is you. To protect yourself, it's easier to

15:15 Speaker 2: make a selfish choice, not necessarily a bad selfish one,

15:18 Speaker 2: but it's easier to make a choice for self preservation

15:22 Speaker 2: if you're in disassociation mode of self preserving.

15:25 Speaker 3: That's what it does, right, So I'm like.

15:28 Speaker 2: I'm wondering if in her era of I'm leaving Kyle,

15:31 Speaker 2: I'm doing what I'm gonna do. I'm doing what's best

15:33 Speaker 2: for me because look it out he's treating me. Look

15:35 Speaker 2: at how I feel, and I'm gonna finally be happy

15:38 Speaker 2: because god damn it, I've been in a bad place.

15:41 Speaker 2: Maybe her in her joint release of talking about we

15:46 Speaker 2: a lot because she speak French now, her and West

15:49 Speaker 2: in her little release or whatever, it's like a this

15:54 Speaker 2: is something that has just been like, it's been done.

15:56 Speaker 2: It's good for me because I've been through all these things,

16:00 Speaker 2: and it's you disassociate even from making decisions that if

16:06 Speaker 2: it has any emotional impact on someone else.

16:09 Speaker 3: She's not thinking about that.

16:10 Speaker 1: Because no, I can't see that.

16:14 Speaker 3: I don't want to self preserving.

16:15 Speaker 2: I don't even think she's thinking about that because but

16:17 Speaker 2: the only way that you cannot is if you do

16:20 Speaker 2: that kind of disassociation thing is because I've done that.

16:24 Speaker 2: Do I'm in therapy for I have been not anymore.

16:28 Speaker 2: I've graduated. Thank you for some therapy. Or it took

16:31 Speaker 2: me a long time, probably a decade worth, No, but

16:36 Speaker 2: seriously like to not be but I've been like that.

16:39 Speaker 2: It's like almost like you do what but when you

16:42 Speaker 2: let people do shit to you for so long? Talk

16:46 Speaker 2: to you crazy and til you fuck you in front

16:48 Speaker 2: of everybody on the war in the world and your

16:51 Speaker 2: friends or whatever, and you don't react in a way

16:55 Speaker 2: that is reactionary because you've already dissociated. You do that

17:00 Speaker 2: long enough, and you're real good at being like, you

17:03 Speaker 2: know what, what makes me feel good, I'm gonna just

17:05 Speaker 2: do that instead, And I don't. I'm not connected to

17:09 Speaker 2: this supply source of where I would cry about someone

17:12 Speaker 2: else's feelings, because that would also mean she might have

17:14 Speaker 2: to cry and empathize about that man's feelings that she

17:17 Speaker 2: just told her fuck you if she don't want to

17:20 Speaker 2: do that, Okay, And that's the caveat of grace that

17:23 Speaker 2: I'll give this girl, as we announce in drawing joint

17:27 Speaker 2: drag the situation, but purely of the facts. But I

17:30 Speaker 2: want to explain a different perspective of possible like just

17:35 Speaker 2: seeing her pattern on the season seasons past of how

17:39 Speaker 2: she handles stress and things that overwhelm her emotionally. If

17:44 Speaker 2: it's going to do that, if she's going to have

17:46 Speaker 2: to show that, it just seems like she doesn't just

17:49 Speaker 2: she doesn't lash out, freak out, feel react anything. Not

17:52 Speaker 2: saying that any of those things are right or wrong

17:54 Speaker 2: or the right choice, but she chooses to disconnect from

17:57 Speaker 2: it altogether, and that is usually a Toronto response or something,

18:02 Speaker 2: and it doesn't make it right. In fact, it means

18:04 Speaker 2: that sometimes when you when you don't have the bandwidth

18:07 Speaker 2: of knowing when to not do it, you know what

18:09 Speaker 2: I mean, it's like, Okay, now's not the time to

18:12 Speaker 2: do that. But it just seems that there's something that

18:14 Speaker 2: she does. So turning off your emotional receptors when you

18:18 Speaker 2: process decisions that you're making, your other people are making,

18:22 Speaker 2: seems like it's easy for her to turn on and

18:24 Speaker 2: off or when she needs to. And I can imagine

18:27 Speaker 2: that what's going on currently postseason in real time is

18:31 Speaker 2: one of those high stressful, overwhelming moments that she might

18:36 Speaker 2: be having to disassociate from emotionally, you know what I mean.

18:41 Speaker 4: I'm sure that it is, and I completely agree with

18:43 Speaker 4: you and understand what you're saying. But I wonder just

18:48 Speaker 4: given how close she and Sierra were allegedly right, like

18:51 Speaker 4: a lot of people are kind of debating, well, like

18:53 Speaker 4: how close friends were they? Really?

18:54 Speaker 3: Do you know these people?

18:57 Speaker 1: But like assuming that they were, then you.

19:00 Speaker 4: Know that you can't dissociate in this situation, you know

19:03 Speaker 4: that you have to say something, and you could. You

19:05 Speaker 4: could have written a letter. There's so many things that

19:08 Speaker 4: you could have done that you did not do. You

19:10 Speaker 4: didn't even apologize to her in the statement that would

19:13 Speaker 4: have taken no additional effort from you, because chut ChiPT

19:17 Speaker 4: or someone else wrote that statement right like, to give

19:20 Speaker 4: her nothing and then if she ends up blaming it

19:23 Speaker 4: on her mental health. To give her nothing and then

19:25 Speaker 4: blaming it on her mental health doesn't jive for me

19:28 Speaker 4: because listen, I have mental health problems too. I get it,

19:31 Speaker 4: and I understand the dissociation. But there's got to be

19:34 Speaker 4: certain situations where you sort of have to push through

19:37 Speaker 4: because you know you're going to cause so much harm

19:39 Speaker 4: to someone else, and say, I'm gonna push through this

19:41 Speaker 4: and I'm gonna have that conversation because look what's happening.

19:43 Speaker 2: Now, Yeah, honestly, and I and I want to, you know, explain.

19:48 Speaker 2: I am trying to think figure out how she made

19:52 Speaker 2: the choice to pursue less at all in the beginning,

19:56 Speaker 2: not necessarily her house is handling everything.

19:59 Speaker 3: Now.

20:00 Speaker 2: No, now she's being playing cold bitchery. This is just bitchery,

20:03 Speaker 2: you know, you can be a bit whether you got

20:04 Speaker 2: mental health issues or not. Right, this is just not good.

20:08 Speaker 2: You're a bad friend and you were raised poorly. Your

20:11 Speaker 2: communication sucks what we're seeing in You don't.

20:15 Speaker 4: Know anything about this girl before season one, like we

20:17 Speaker 4: actually do not know, like when you were saying the

20:19 Speaker 4: trumber response, we don't know what.

20:20 Speaker 1: She's been through in her life exactly. I like to

20:23 Speaker 1: know more about this person.

20:24 Speaker 3: We don't. Don't kind to put myself into the mind.

20:27 Speaker 2: I can't even fathom without I have no empathy for her.

20:30 Speaker 2: She's acting and moving right now. I'm trying to put

20:32 Speaker 2: myself in the mind of how she got herself into

20:34 Speaker 2: this in the first place, because I was devastated to

20:37 Speaker 2: think that. I don't care whether they were that close

20:40 Speaker 2: to friends or not. To us, it seemed like Sierra

20:43 Speaker 2: felt like her and a Manda were close enough friends,

20:46 Speaker 2: which I agree, even if we work together. They filmed

20:49 Speaker 2: the show for years together enough to know that the

20:52 Speaker 2: show we film also isn't just ensemble cash shit.

20:55 Speaker 3: It's personal thing. It's friendships and relationships.

21:00 Speaker 2: We're encouraged to have these kinds of vibes and jibs

21:03 Speaker 2: to be together for the show you knew I liked

21:06 Speaker 2: this boy, So it's just like, to me, it never

21:09 Speaker 2: should have been a concept that entered Amanda's mind. So

21:13 Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure out how it did, you know

21:16 Speaker 2: what I mean? It can't be that you just decided

21:18 Speaker 2: to not be a good friend of your friend one day.

21:20 Speaker 3: Now what did you have to do?

21:23 Speaker 2: Did you have to disassociate to even talk to this

21:26 Speaker 2: boy and kiss someone orch twice? Because this is not

21:29 Speaker 2: something that happened overnight. We're finding out about it today.

21:33 Speaker 2: So what had had to happen for you to be like,

21:36 Speaker 2: I'm friends with this girl to her face or I'm

21:39 Speaker 2: friends with this girl in my mind. But either I'm

21:41 Speaker 2: a diabolical sociopath, I'm rude as hell, and I don't

21:45 Speaker 2: give a shit, and I'm doing I'm doing some Raquel

21:48 Speaker 2: relivous stuff. But Raquel has actually been a Rachel Levis

21:52 Speaker 2: that's been pretty honest about her disassociation and her trauma,

21:56 Speaker 2: so that put her in the headspace to do it.

21:59 Speaker 2: It doesn't ease use the actions after. I'm just trying

22:03 Speaker 2: to figure out how old even into your mind that

22:04 Speaker 2: you and Wes could should even talk all the minute

22:07 Speaker 2: in the world, and you're like, girl, my my friend's

22:11 Speaker 2: little crushy crush as crushy crush that wouldn't even come

22:15 Speaker 2: to my brain. It would never enter my head if

22:18 Speaker 2: you and I afterwards, y'all, if we were me and

22:20 Speaker 2: Daniel were talking, we were recording, and then we got off,

22:22 Speaker 2: she was like, oh.

22:23 Speaker 3: My god, look I swiped right on so and so.

22:26 Speaker 2: Look at him. Oh my god, so cute. It would

22:28 Speaker 2: never enter my brain later on, And I'm talking about

22:33 Speaker 2: like from simple smaller connections.

22:38 Speaker 3: Let alone.

22:38 Speaker 2: We lived in a house together, work together, film together,

22:41 Speaker 2: hang out together.

22:42 Speaker 3: We chose to drive up. You chose to drive up

22:46 Speaker 3: to the summer house with Nara.

22:48 Speaker 2: I know, y'all, friend, you didn't even want to be

22:50 Speaker 2: with call. You were like, oh my god, thanks go

22:51 Speaker 2: for saving me from your marriage. But fuck her when

22:56 Speaker 2: her crush has them with the mustache winks at you once,

22:59 Speaker 2: I'm confus.

23:00 Speaker 4: Used, Okay, I'll tell you what I think happened in

23:02 Speaker 4: terms of how we got here. And this is not

23:04 Speaker 4: a justification whatsoever. I'm just gonna say what I think

23:08 Speaker 4: was going on in her brain. So the six months

23:11 Speaker 4: prior to them to the summer, the six months prior

23:13 Speaker 4: to the summer. Kyle even said to Wes, she has

23:16 Speaker 4: spent more time with you in the past six months

23:17 Speaker 4: than she has with me. We also know that Kyle

23:19 Speaker 4: was not around during that six months. He flat outside

23:22 Speaker 4: in the first episode. I have been DJing so much

23:24 Speaker 4: that I have been home only once one weekend in

23:27 Speaker 4: the past six months.

23:28 Speaker 3: So she did just marry a day.

23:30 Speaker 4: She didn't marry a DJ but she doesn't seem to

23:33 Speaker 4: mind a twenty nine year old fuck boy. But okay,

23:35 Speaker 4: So she starts hanging out with the guys that are

23:38 Speaker 4: around her because these are not just her husband's friends,

23:40 Speaker 4: but these are you know, there are colleagues, but they

23:43 Speaker 4: are a cast of people that do hang out together.

23:45 Speaker 1: So they're all hanging out.

23:45 Speaker 4: They're hanging out, and now they start to become like

23:47 Speaker 4: closer and closer friends. Then he starts to really stand

23:51 Speaker 4: up for her and support her in a way that

23:53 Speaker 4: her husband absolutely does not. Her husband is calling her

23:56 Speaker 4: a dumb ass bitch while this guy is saying I

23:58 Speaker 4: love you. This guy is saying I love you, and

24:00 Speaker 4: he is standing up to her husband on her behalf,

24:03 Speaker 4: which no one else is doing. Carl's not even doing

24:06 Speaker 4: bad and Carl afficiated at their wedding. So I think

24:10 Speaker 4: I think for her this is lust. I think for

24:13 Speaker 4: him it's love. But I think for her it's lust.

24:15 Speaker 4: And I think for her she's just enamored with the

24:18 Speaker 4: feeling of being treated nicely, which is not an excuse,

24:21 Speaker 4: but I say that just to say she had ten

24:23 Speaker 4: years of being treated bad and now she goes, Ooh,

24:26 Speaker 4: look at this shiny thing that's treating me nice. But

24:29 Speaker 4: I know she's not gonna end up with somebody like that.

24:30 Speaker 4: So for her, I think it's lust. For him, I

24:32 Speaker 4: think he's flat out in love with her.

24:34 Speaker 2: I really do, yeah, And I think that's the thing

24:38 Speaker 2: I'm like, looking at Amanda. I don't understand how this

24:41 Speaker 2: enters your mind unless you were it's this, sir. Mental

24:46 Speaker 2: health is something you're you know, where you're at in

24:51 Speaker 2: your life, and your meds and all the things. All

24:53 Speaker 2: those things really matter. All those things also or how

24:57 Speaker 2: they help inform how you are going to respond to

25:01 Speaker 2: the stressor it doesn't change how you are wired to

25:06 Speaker 2: make behaviors. This is what Roseanne bar couldn't blame Ambient

25:10 Speaker 2: for making her a racist.

25:12 Speaker 3: That's just not how it works. That's just your deals

25:15 Speaker 3: are there.

25:16 Speaker 2: If they're there, they just they get rid of your

25:19 Speaker 2: inhibitions or put up inhibitions.

25:22 Speaker 3: If they need you or anything else. Yeah, thank you.

25:25 Speaker 2: But like you can't blame ambient for you being a racist,

25:29 Speaker 2: you can't blame your mental health or whatever struggles for

25:31 Speaker 2: you being a terrible friend. How is the only guy

25:35 Speaker 2: that could give you any attention even in that house,

25:39 Speaker 2: the one that your friend is crushing on and that

25:43 Speaker 2: you know has been stringing her along. Let's also talk

25:46 Speaker 2: about how us has not been a great guy to

25:49 Speaker 2: your friend.

25:50 Speaker 3: What the fuck are you doing?

25:52 Speaker 1: What do you want to do with the guy like that?

25:54 Speaker 3: Public enemy number one?

25:56 Speaker 4: And it really shows that she didn't understand that interracial

25:59 Speaker 4: conversation that Sierra was having, because despite the fact that

26:02 Speaker 4: she got up and she hugged Sierra and she went

26:04 Speaker 4: to sit, Well, the doctor you went ahead and did

26:06 Speaker 4: this shows you did not understand. It shows that you

26:08 Speaker 4: went okay, Well, anyways, chose.

26:11 Speaker 2: Not to understand that conversation because at some point, after

26:15 Speaker 2: a certain age, it's a choice, and that age is

26:17 Speaker 2: actually lower than y'all think. It's a choice to misunderstand.

26:21 Speaker 2: In fact, sometimes I don't even argue with Hose no more.

26:23 Speaker 2: As I'm entering my thirty, my year, my third decade

26:26 Speaker 2: of life. My birthday is the you're only thirty of April.

26:31 Speaker 2: I am about to turn thirty, Yes, Mike bool so

26:34 Speaker 2: exciting April twenty.

26:36 Speaker 1: Four, Okay, I'll remember birthday.

26:39 Speaker 3: I'm very excited.

26:40 Speaker 2: I have a lot of things up the pipeline I'm

26:42 Speaker 2: trying to do, trying to get people on to celebrate

26:44 Speaker 2: with me. But let me tell you, I've learned that

26:48 Speaker 2: I'm not arguing with you, Hose no more. It's just

26:50 Speaker 2: simply okay, Well, you're committed to not understanding me, So

26:54 Speaker 2: I like that We're gonna just stop here, like I'm

26:57 Speaker 2: just not gonna waste the breath. My mouth gets real dry.

27:00 Speaker 2: I had radiation on my throat gets real dry. I

27:03 Speaker 2: don't got the saliva to talk with you about going

27:06 Speaker 2: circles and circles. The girl was coitded to misunderstanding her.

27:09 Speaker 2: I have a really great friend and ally, and I

27:11 Speaker 2: want to speak to the black girlies out there who

27:14 Speaker 2: are like, do I need to be worried about my

27:16 Speaker 2: white friend?

27:17 Speaker 3: Oh?

27:17 Speaker 2: My god, MANI I hear you. I was worried for

27:20 Speaker 2: a second. For us, we all got our favorite. You know,

27:24 Speaker 2: a couple of girlies around us, our little Susan's and

27:26 Speaker 2: k and Katie's.

27:27 Speaker 3: We love them.

27:28 Speaker 2: Those are our girls. We should sometimes worry about a few.

27:31 Speaker 2: Not every one of the Amanda's out there are Amanda's. Okay,

27:35 Speaker 2: not all of them hashtag not all Amandas. Seriously, I

27:41 Speaker 2: have a friend that Girlary, God bless her.

27:44 Speaker 3: She is such a good white woman.

27:46 Speaker 2: She does recognize, though, that she has a tendency to

27:50 Speaker 2: lean on dating on the side of black men.

27:53 Speaker 3: She can't help it.

27:54 Speaker 2: Most of her friends are black or queer, even though

27:57 Speaker 2: she is a straight white woman. I love her so much.

28:00 Speaker 2: I just think this says a lot about her. We

28:02 Speaker 2: just assume that in a past life she was She's

28:04 Speaker 2: tried to be gay.

28:05 Speaker 3: She cannot. She isn't. She's tried to be No, she

28:08 Speaker 3: hasn't tried to be black.

28:09 Speaker 2: Because she can appropriation. But she knows that of herself

28:14 Speaker 2: that she can never try. But she loves the people

28:18 Speaker 2: that she loves tend to be both of those things right.

28:20 Speaker 2: When she dates a black man, she is on a

28:22 Speaker 2: date with a black man, or she's even connected with one.

28:25 Speaker 2: I tell you, she really does ask them what is

28:28 Speaker 2: their relationship with black women.

28:33 Speaker 3: As a concept? Would they date a black women?

28:35 Speaker 2: Because she's like, if you have hate in your heart

28:39 Speaker 2: or anything for black women, if you're dating white women

28:42 Speaker 2: because you secretly don't like black women, or you have

28:45 Speaker 2: a problem, because that's news flesh, y'all. Okay, news flesh

28:49 Speaker 2: that for some of y'all, that does happen. Unfortunately, you

28:53 Speaker 2: may not know, especially if you're a white woman, that

28:55 Speaker 2: your husband or your black man or your black whatever

28:58 Speaker 2: may not like black women.

28:59 Speaker 3: But that might be the case.

29:01 Speaker 2: And so she asks them flat out because if their

29:03 Speaker 2: answer is any kind of disrespect towards black women, she

29:06 Speaker 2: will not do it because one, that's something that like

29:09 Speaker 2: most of the people that she loves are black women. Hello,

29:13 Speaker 2: now you're not a safe space for people that I love. Secondly,

29:16 Speaker 2: she's like, oh, I'm not gonna edit and help you

29:19 Speaker 2: in your gross misunderstanding and lack of appreciation for black women.

29:25 Speaker 3: You're a crazy man. I don't get that.

29:27 Speaker 2: She also sends me and my wife Starbucks or like

29:31 Speaker 2: a gift card to get coffee every first of the

29:35 Speaker 2: Black History Month first every year, so as you know

29:40 Speaker 2: I love her. She's like, well, no one else gives reparations.

29:43 Speaker 2: I will and she knows how much I love coffee.

29:45 Speaker 2: It does repair me. I'm repaired, okay.

29:50 Speaker 3: For me?

29:51 Speaker 2: Okay, but I mean I say all that, like I

29:53 Speaker 2: do that little detour to say, like Amanda is not

30:00 Speaker 2: a small amount of girlies.

30:03 Speaker 3: Some of y'all do need to clock your friends and

30:05 Speaker 3: do a friendship all it.

30:05 Speaker 2: It's true because for her to have that conversation with

30:09 Speaker 2: Sierra and not taking anything away from it, was it

30:11 Speaker 2: and still do this is a choice, right, Yeah, that's

30:14 Speaker 2: a choice. Regardless of where you're at mentally or whatever.

30:19 Speaker 2: That's a choice. And based on how you're raised, that's

30:21 Speaker 2: your integrity. And we can't change integrity. We can't change

30:24 Speaker 2: your character. We can't change how you friendship.

30:27 Speaker 3: You know what I mean.

30:28 Speaker 2: But there are some girlies out there who are not

30:31 Speaker 2: like that. Because let me tell you what if Paige

30:33 Speaker 2: Disorbo and.

30:35 Speaker 3: Uh she was a here like.

30:36 Speaker 4: M she was an Amanda's wedding. You know, it's wild,

30:41 Speaker 4: Like this is literally tearing up her friendships. kJ on

30:44 Speaker 4: following West, kJ and West. That's how that's how KG

30:47 Speaker 4: is on this show. Right, they've been friendsbury.

30:49 Speaker 2: Ye.

30:49 Speaker 1: Yes, everyone is on the right side of history.

30:51 Speaker 2: Here, Yes, thank goodness. Like, you know, I'm not gonna

30:54 Speaker 2: go like I saw Hannah Burner do a thing. I'm

30:57 Speaker 2: not giving her no grace right now because she's told

30:58 Speaker 2: making the Stallion that she like makes I want to fight,

31:02 Speaker 2: and I'm like, that's yeah, actually incorrect period. Her music

31:06 Speaker 2: makes you want to go have sex with a man,

31:08 Speaker 2: That's really what it is.

31:09 Speaker 3: Like even me and I.

31:10 Speaker 2: Don't have that, okay, but I will say that.

31:20 Speaker 3: You know, even Hannah was like, uh, no, girl, flush

31:23 Speaker 3: that trash.

31:23 Speaker 2: What are you doing? It's just giving There are even

31:26 Speaker 2: other men in that house. There are so many options,

31:30 Speaker 2: so for you to do hello, So for you to

31:32 Speaker 2: go out of your way to do this and then

31:35 Speaker 2: know that once we all find out about you wanting

31:39 Speaker 2: to that you will got something going on with uh,

31:42 Speaker 2: you know, your really good friends crush that was stringing

31:47 Speaker 2: her along for two years couldn't commit to her for

31:49 Speaker 2: two years. Like that can't go unnoticed because it's interesting

31:53 Speaker 2: that he couldn't commit to someone that he's had a

31:55 Speaker 2: connection with quote unquote for two years, but he can

31:58 Speaker 2: commit to somebody that he just got with overnight. So

32:01 Speaker 2: that's interesting, and I wonder what those differences are that

32:04 Speaker 2: made him oh so ready to take that step and

32:08 Speaker 2: make that plunge of commitment. What do you think it was?

32:12 Speaker 2: I don't know, Nana.

32:14 Speaker 4: I'd love to mention what I brought up on my

32:16 Speaker 4: podcast yesterday, because if you look at this from a

32:19 Speaker 4: racial aspect, and you take a look at all of

32:21 Speaker 4: the men that Sierra has been interested in or have

32:24 Speaker 4: shown an interest to her, West, this is a guy

32:26 Speaker 4: that she wanted to date. Well, he was willing to

32:28 Speaker 4: sleep with her, but not willing to date her. Jesse

32:31 Speaker 4: willing to sleep with her, not willing to date her. Uh,

32:34 Speaker 4: Austin willing to sleep with her, not willing to date her.

32:36 Speaker 4: And in her head that must cause some sort of

32:39 Speaker 4: like mind fuck of like is there something wrong with me?

32:41 Speaker 4: Or is this because I'm black? Because look at the

32:43 Speaker 4: way you were willing to just immediately commit to my friend,

32:46 Speaker 4: my white friend abandon.

32:48 Speaker 2: Right immediately, And you want to know something and for

32:51 Speaker 2: if you're if you're confused out there and you don't know,

32:54 Speaker 2: you're like, okay, I see this as why does she

32:56 Speaker 2: keep going after white guys? If whait guys are going

32:58 Speaker 2: to be racist to her, and they don't want to

33:00 Speaker 2: date her. They don't see her as worthy of being dated.

33:03 Speaker 2: They can't take her home to family, but they do

33:06 Speaker 2: want to try her on.

33:07 Speaker 3: They do want to sleep with her.

33:09 Speaker 2: Fetishize about being with this beautiful supermodel as if you

33:12 Speaker 2: could honestly. But if you're wondering why, it's because, guess what,

33:17 Speaker 2: she's not meeting any better. On the other side, why

33:21 Speaker 2: did both Serena Williams and Benis Williams mary white men?

33:24 Speaker 2: Because they have been dogged and treated terribly for decades

33:27 Speaker 2: upon decades by black men who do not find them

33:30 Speaker 2: and appreciate their beauty either. So the problem is on

33:33 Speaker 2: one side, she's getting men who fetishize her and like

33:37 Speaker 2: or find her beautiful, but do not see her as

33:39 Speaker 2: worthy of dating and being of equal value to bring

33:43 Speaker 2: into their life in that way as a partner, just

33:46 Speaker 2: as a bedmate.

33:48 Speaker 3: That is his symbolic to history.

33:51 Speaker 2: But we'll move past that and then look at okay,

33:54 Speaker 2: and then on the other side you have black men

33:57 Speaker 2: who see how beautiful she is, feel threatened by herself

34:00 Speaker 2: beauty and accomplishments, and then prefer to date maybe a

34:03 Speaker 2: white woman or something because of their personal internalized racist

34:09 Speaker 2: things from the system that we have given them a

34:12 Speaker 2: capitalist America over the last few hundreds of years to

34:15 Speaker 2: devalue black women their beauty. They're worth their everything in

34:20 Speaker 2: which case, so she's kind of stuck in the lurch, right,

34:23 Speaker 2: and these men are giving her the attention, they're just

34:26 Speaker 2: not giving her the commitment. And they show their true

34:28 Speaker 2: colors and true dickery right after that. But then Amanda

34:32 Speaker 2: comes along far less accomplished.

34:35 Speaker 3: I'm sorry.

34:38 Speaker 2: It's Amanda Serra about a house, her grandparents' house. She

34:46 Speaker 2: has family values, she's lovely, she has a good heart.

34:52 Speaker 2: She wants it to stay in her family forever and ever.

34:55 Speaker 2: That's beautiful. Amanda has fought with Kyle about liquor company

35:00 Speaker 2: that she had no business wanting to be in, but

35:02 Speaker 2: got into it anyway, and then got mad at him

35:06 Speaker 2: for it not working and her not being supportive. And

35:09 Speaker 2: she can't support it because she never liked it anyway,

35:11 Speaker 2: but went with it, and she is.

35:16 Speaker 3: She had a swimsuit something something it's.

35:19 Speaker 4: Like a partnership, right, It's like where it's like the

35:22 Speaker 4: brand itself. It's like something moon or under the Moon

35:26 Speaker 4: by Amanda Petula. So doesn't that mean that you are

35:29 Speaker 4: just sort of like the face attaching to the brand.

35:31 Speaker 1: I guess right.

35:32 Speaker 4: And oh, by the way, in the last episode when

35:35 Speaker 4: Sierra was like, hey, I think you should separate from Kyle,

35:37 Speaker 4: I'm really worried about you. Guys, you can come stay

35:39 Speaker 4: with me, and that again shows her character and how Yeah,

35:44 Speaker 4: to me, that's part of being accomplished, quite frankly, being

35:46 Speaker 4: the kind of person who will be like you, I

35:48 Speaker 4: will take care of you. Mia said that too, you

35:50 Speaker 4: deserve to be taken care of and that made me

35:52 Speaker 4: want to throw up because these two black women want

35:54 Speaker 4: to take care of this this woman who does not

35:57 Speaker 4: want to.

35:57 Speaker 1: Take it away.

35:59 Speaker 2: It's always a want trying to save somebody's ass and

36:02 Speaker 2: being good to them. And I'm honestly like, I'm rolling

36:05 Speaker 2: my eyes, not because Sierra is like, why do we

36:08 Speaker 2: have to stuck? Because I'm that kind of person too.

36:10 Speaker 2: My mom is that kind of person. I would have

36:12 Speaker 2: done that. Like, of course I love my friends down

36:16 Speaker 2: you know, black, white, or indifferent, whatever, but also it

36:20 Speaker 2: is sometimes a disproportionate level of friendship and support and

36:28 Speaker 2: respect in those friendships that I will see sometimes even

36:32 Speaker 2: from my wife. From them, thankfully, I got some solid ones,

36:34 Speaker 2: but I know I will go the extra mile because

36:37 Speaker 2: that nurturing and that care is like just kind of

36:39 Speaker 2: instilled in me. So to know that, you know, you

36:41 Speaker 2: could have at some point, we don't know that she

36:43 Speaker 2: didn't take Sierra up on that offer and stayed with

36:46 Speaker 2: her for a little bit while Kyle and her were separating.

36:48 Speaker 2: Were you texting West then or were you just not

36:51 Speaker 2: because you were like, you know, when let me not

36:53 Speaker 2: go over her house so I don't connect to the

36:54 Speaker 2: wifi's Look at what point did you realize you were hurting?

36:58 Speaker 2: What you were doing was gonna hurt Sierra? And how

37:00 Speaker 2: does that also have no impact on your statement? Will

37:03 Speaker 2: you release a joint statement a joint boyfriend with your

37:08 Speaker 2: little boyfriend? And that's why Rihanna unfollowed Joe ass That's

37:14 Speaker 2: why Rihanna unfollowed Amanda.

37:15 Speaker 3: That's really saying something.

37:17 Speaker 1: The biggest followed of all of this. I don't know

37:19 Speaker 1: if Amanda's is a big one.

37:21 Speaker 3: That's a pretty big one, y'all know. Yikes. I was like, oh, okay, well.

37:31 Speaker 2: You should just give it a packet.

37:35 Speaker 4: And they were lying too because I don't know if

37:37 Speaker 4: you heard some of the rumblings lately that like Kyle

37:40 Speaker 4: was asking West and Amanda frequently because of what he

37:43 Speaker 4: was hearing, and they were like no, no, no, So

37:45 Speaker 4: to answer your question when you're like, how long did

37:47 Speaker 4: she know that this would hurt Sierra immediately? Immediately, the

37:50 Speaker 4: first kiss, the first look, the first anything, and she

37:53 Speaker 4: decided to continue on.

37:55 Speaker 1: That's the fuck up.

37:56 Speaker 3: Yeah, they lied to everybody.

37:58 Speaker 2: Jesse said that same thing, that he had heard rumors

38:02 Speaker 2: they were denied to him personally multiple times.

38:05 Speaker 4: So I hear that's not true. Because there was a

38:07 Speaker 4: Valley panel the other night for like the premiere of

38:09 Speaker 4: The Valley, and Zach said that his cousin's friend was

38:14 Speaker 4: talking to Jesse and Jesse had already known about it

38:17 Speaker 4: in Miami. They were talking or something, So that could

38:20 Speaker 4: be a lie. He could be the schwartz in this situation.

38:24 Speaker 2: Yeah, people were wondering whether or not he was the

38:26 Speaker 2: shorts or not, and he tried to say no, he wasn't.

38:28 Speaker 3: So yeah, you know, everybody has to have a Schwartz

38:30 Speaker 3: there you go.

38:31 Speaker 1: Everybody has to have your like decoy friend.

38:34 Speaker 2: Okay, Jules said, uh uh huh, well goes the round

38:37 Speaker 2: comes around? You see that she posts with those round

38:39 Speaker 2: comes around? Because he called Miranda out a liar a

38:43 Speaker 2: long time ago.

38:45 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, a Manda called her a liar.

38:48 Speaker 3: Her liar, Yeah exactly.

38:49 Speaker 4: So they just because she was friends with Jordan, who

38:52 Speaker 4: is a liar. She was like, well takes one to

38:55 Speaker 4: know one sort of thing. And then Charles was like, well,

38:57 Speaker 4: aren't you married to someone who cheated on you?

38:59 Speaker 1: So what does that make you?

39:02 Speaker 2: No? Because like, why do y'all deserve each other even

39:04 Speaker 2: in your separation? You and Color are acting like the

39:07 Speaker 2: just hurt people. Hurting people is not How are we

39:10 Speaker 2: supposed to feel bad for you? What is your end game?

39:13 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, because you also just pull

39:15 Speaker 2: all these all these media outlets a couple of months

39:19 Speaker 2: ago that you were just out to look about and

39:23 Speaker 2: have a good time, and so you want to have

39:25 Speaker 2: a good time and look about by yourself solo like

39:28 Speaker 2: and blow up camp at home.

39:30 Speaker 3: It doesn't make sense. What is your in game?

39:32 Speaker 2: It's it can't be that you want to be with

39:34 Speaker 2: West that bad, So what's the point?

39:37 Speaker 4: Its The only way they get away with this is

39:40 Speaker 4: if they get married. And they're meant to be. That's

39:42 Speaker 4: not what's going to happen. It's gonna last a month

39:45 Speaker 4: like every other West relationship. And I'm sure you've heard

39:47 Speaker 4: the rumblings that he's dating eighty other people, so some

39:50 Speaker 4: girls like up undated.

39:53 Speaker 3: You just found out they were in a serious relationship.

39:57 Speaker 1: That one I don't know about because like, probably.

39:59 Speaker 3: Not, he give it so much.

40:03 Speaker 2: Okay, I want to read you guys the joint press release. Yeah,

40:08 Speaker 2: the iowa's press release that they put out. That really

40:13 Speaker 2: shook me, that both of them put it out on

40:17 Speaker 2: both of their Instagram stories.

40:19 Speaker 4: Oh, before you read it, I just want to say, like,

40:21 Speaker 4: did you see what I posted about? How you post

40:24 Speaker 4: a story or you post like a breakup announcement with

40:27 Speaker 4: your husband three months ago and then another joint statement

40:29 Speaker 4: with your boyfriend three months later.

40:31 Speaker 3: That's wow, peak housewives level. Okay.

40:35 Speaker 2: So from the iOS press release, from the Instagram stories

40:41 Speaker 2: of both Amanda and West, we've seen the growing online speculation.

40:46 Speaker 2: So while this is still very new, we wanted to

40:49 Speaker 2: provide some clarity. It was never our intention to purposely

40:52 Speaker 2: hide anything, even though that's what they did, given the

40:55 Speaker 2: complicated relationship dynamics involved in the scrutiny that comes with

41:00 Speaker 2: being on a reality show. We needed a little space

41:02 Speaker 2: to process things privately before speaking on it, enjoy.

41:06 Speaker 3: The moments while we could.

41:08 Speaker 2: We've shown up for each other as friends over the years,

41:12 Speaker 2: through all the highs and the lows. But you and

41:15 Speaker 2: West or you and Sierra, Okay, and what's developed recently

41:20 Speaker 2: was the last thing either of us expected. Our connection

41:23 Speaker 2: grew out of a genuine, long standing friendship, which made

41:26 Speaker 2: it especially important for us to approach this with care,

41:31 Speaker 2: Care for whom, Care for whom?

41:33 Speaker 3: Okay.

41:34 Speaker 2: As our feelings evolved, we wanted to take time to

41:37 Speaker 2: understand exactly what we were feeling. We also recognized that

41:40 Speaker 2: this has had an impact beyond just us and never

41:44 Speaker 2: wanted our actions to cause any hurt or be perceived

41:48 Speaker 2: as careless. The word is selfish and you know this

41:52 Speaker 2: hurt and it's not causing her this hurt.

41:55 Speaker 3: This was a bad one. This is a bad thing.

41:57 Speaker 2: We truly appreciate the understanding and respect as we navigate this. Well,

42:01 Speaker 2: you get none of it, so I don't know what

42:03 Speaker 2: you appreciate and respect my privacy during this time that.

42:07 Speaker 3: You what.

42:11 Speaker 2: And being like Please This is like when Taylor h Taylor,

42:14 Speaker 2: Frankie Paul was like, this is the lowest part of

42:16 Speaker 2: my life.

42:17 Speaker 3: Baby girl.

42:18 Speaker 2: You threw the pinch and the steel bard stool, stop

42:22 Speaker 2: Feller stuff, and you won't have no more lows.

42:25 Speaker 4: I'm just curious what their plan was because I felt

42:28 Speaker 4: like they had to come out with a statement because

42:30 Speaker 4: we were all saying, as the fandom, it's the silence

42:33 Speaker 4: that is deafening. So I feel like they felt like

42:36 Speaker 4: they had to say something they obviously couldn't do it

42:38 Speaker 4: today it's April, fools. They can't wait that much longer

42:42 Speaker 4: because the reunion is coming up. I would love to

42:45 Speaker 4: get through this at the reunion.

42:47 Speaker 3: But like I just I hear it's in like two weeks.

42:51 Speaker 1: Yeah, so like the fifteenth or something. Fifteenth, Yeah, I

42:54 Speaker 1: think it's the fifteenth.

42:55 Speaker 4: I just feel like I don't understand the selfishness the

42:59 Speaker 4: Carol dismiss all of that because you knew how much

43:02 Speaker 4: this was going. So what was the plan, Like, what

43:05 Speaker 4: were you guys thinking and was this statement part of

43:08 Speaker 4: it or were you planning to just really try to

43:10 Speaker 4: figure it out between the two of you and determine

43:12 Speaker 4: whether it was worth pursuing like I need more information.

43:16 Speaker 2: It was worth putting it out there because what if

43:18 Speaker 2: it's just nothing?

43:19 Speaker 3: And if it's nothing, Mart.

43:23 Speaker 2: But that's the thing, even if it was nothing, it

43:25 Speaker 2: shouldn't ever it should have been a non starter.

43:27 Speaker 1: You're the man felt something aboard.

43:31 Speaker 2: As soon as soon as that happened, and tell your friend,

43:35 Speaker 2: why is it that is is a blonde statue, Sierra,

43:37 Speaker 2: And honestly, not for nothing. This is not a stick

43:41 Speaker 2: up for Kyle, but it honestly shouldn't have even been

43:43 Speaker 2: a blind side to Kyle. You are still married.

43:46 Speaker 1: I just thought of something.

43:47 Speaker 4: We were so mad at Jesse for not asking Sierra first,

43:52 Speaker 4: if they could make out that he asked West first,

43:55 Speaker 4: but we just had that same situation here. You didn't

43:57 Speaker 4: ask Sierra if it was okay for you to date West.

44:00 Speaker 1: You just asked West.

44:02 Speaker 4: Anyway, you ask the person that matter, like you did

44:05 Speaker 4: the same shit talk that we all got mad about

44:07 Speaker 4: with Jesse.

44:08 Speaker 3: Yes, you should have talked to your good duty, especially girls. Girl.

44:12 Speaker 3: We were really liking them being friends together.

44:15 Speaker 2: You know, we watched the origin of Gigly Squad and

44:19 Speaker 2: all the things that those girlies are doing from Summerhouse

44:23 Speaker 2: being in the bed, those two girls being having fun.

44:26 Speaker 2: We want to see the friendships in Summerhouse. I mean

44:28 Speaker 2: Hannah and Paige, Like we watched them develop their like

44:31 Speaker 2: whole like persona, being good girly pop friends, right, I

44:35 Speaker 2: love well, you know, we watch Kyle and Parl for

44:38 Speaker 2: Better or Worse have a romance and their you know,

44:40 Speaker 2: true brotherhood, start a business, all these things. That's what

44:45 Speaker 2: we like about this show. It's the parties and the friendships.

44:48 Speaker 3: Right.

44:48 Speaker 2: Seeing Amanda and Sierra actually gave me something that kind

44:51 Speaker 2: of root for for a little bit. I really liked

44:54 Speaker 2: their friendship and and them hanging out together and being

44:58 Speaker 2: like something they were together I would like. And so

45:01 Speaker 2: to see this, it's like, did you just forget you

45:04 Speaker 2: were there? You just forgot how to be a friend,

45:06 Speaker 2: or like, what is it? Because the moment you felt

45:09 Speaker 2: a thing, you should have told your friend. You are

45:12 Speaker 2: not in high school. You don't need to fret and

45:14 Speaker 2: be scared and write it in your diary, te your diary.

45:17 Speaker 3: I just don't know if she's gonna understand.

45:19 Speaker 2: But Wes winked at me in third period today, and

45:22 Speaker 2: it truly just I felt all the fields he pushed me,

45:27 Speaker 2: believe me.

45:29 Speaker 3: Gosh, I hope I'll be happy if she'll be happy

45:31 Speaker 3: for me.

45:31 Speaker 2: Sincerely, Amanda, girl, you are grown too grown, and I

45:35 Speaker 2: send the girl you a text message. I really hate

45:37 Speaker 2: to think your sar's crashing out about this. This doesn't

45:40 Speaker 2: make any sense to me, Like why you would do

45:42 Speaker 2: this and why you would do this to your friend?

45:44 Speaker 2: Like I'm not even gonna give it to Wes because

45:47 Speaker 2: him being a bad friend and being a shit man.

45:49 Speaker 2: I'm gonna chalk that up to him being a man,

45:51 Speaker 2: because men just have a high prinsity for being assholes.

45:55 Speaker 1: And he doesn't have the same.

45:56 Speaker 4: I mean, I know we're giving him less smoke, but

45:58 Speaker 4: that's there is a difference, right I mean.

46:01 Speaker 3: Amanda, good to see you, or do to Amanda for

46:04 Speaker 3: you to do this.

46:05 Speaker 2: We know that Wes is just going to be an

46:07 Speaker 2: ass to anybody, but he needs to be an ass

46:09 Speaker 2: to someone else so that you and I, Amanda and

46:12 Speaker 2: Sierra can tweet and turn and text each other and

46:16 Speaker 2: be like, Girley, did you see that he you know,

46:18 Speaker 2: just kind of lookship with that other girl like rot

46:20 Speaker 2: real quick. Then you're supposed to be like, oh wow,

46:22 Speaker 2: but he couldn't commit to you crazy, like you're supposed

46:25 Speaker 2: to be on my side.

46:27 Speaker 3: We're supposed to be teeming girley pops.

46:29 Speaker 4: So what do you think this means for the future

46:31 Speaker 4: of the show. They can't film together and I don't

46:33 Speaker 4: even know it's for sale.

46:34 Speaker 3: What do you think the show and what do you

46:35 Speaker 3: think it means?

46:37 Speaker 4: My understanding was that was before and I don't really

46:39 Speaker 4: think that means anything because yeah, they've been in that

46:42 Speaker 4: same house for many years, but it hasn't always been

46:44 Speaker 4: the same house.

46:45 Speaker 1: It doesn't really matter what the house is.

46:47 Speaker 3: I think it's just like we were using this as

46:48 Speaker 3: an omen maybe.

46:51 Speaker 4: I just I feel like, you know, Amanda supposed to

46:53 Speaker 4: be on In the City, which makes no sense to

46:55 Speaker 4: me now because that is that's a show about you

46:58 Speaker 4: guys being married, and you're not anymore. So I don't

46:59 Speaker 4: even what In the City season two would even be.

47:01 Speaker 4: Both put Amanda aside for a second. West and Sierra

47:04 Speaker 4: were theoretically supposed to continue on with the cast that

47:07 Speaker 4: is currently on Summerhouse. They can't film together, and it

47:10 Speaker 4: would be really unfair for her to like have to

47:12 Speaker 4: get over it so that she can keep her job,

47:15 Speaker 4: and this is another situation where I feel like this

47:17 Speaker 4: actually happened to Stass back in season four. I'm not

47:19 Speaker 4: talking about when she was fired. I'm talking about when

47:21 Speaker 4: she quit. She quit in season four because of what

47:24 Speaker 4: Jackson all of them did to her, and she walked

47:26 Speaker 4: away saying to herself, why did I have to leave?

47:29 Speaker 4: I didn't do anything wrong. They did, but because I

47:32 Speaker 4: can't work with these people who have tried to ruin

47:34 Speaker 4: my life, I have to leave.

47:36 Speaker 1: And I feel like that's.

47:36 Speaker 4: What's going to happen to Sierra, because she's not gonna

47:39 Speaker 4: be able to get over it understandably, and then that's

47:41 Speaker 4: why she's to be kicked off the show. That's the

47:43 Speaker 4: only thing that's fair. Yeah, I don't want to lose

47:45 Speaker 4: her job over this, but that's.

47:47 Speaker 3: Really part of the show.

47:49 Speaker 2: And she's performing well, she's beautiful, she's getting all these opportunities.

47:53 Speaker 3: It's a great thing for her.

47:55 Speaker 2: It's not her fault that people are selfish assholes, even.

47:58 Speaker 3: Though there's supposed to.

48:00 Speaker 2: But and I don't know, because it also does mean

48:03 Speaker 2: that you know them together all on the show.

48:06 Speaker 3: It's definitely not fun.

48:07 Speaker 2: We're entering a new muddy territory where people's selfishness, the ego,

48:12 Speaker 2: the different stuff has really gotten in the way. I

48:15 Speaker 2: didn't expect the scand of all on Summer House at

48:18 Speaker 2: all at all, at all, head.

48:24 Speaker 4: Like, even when the rumors first came out and then

48:26 Speaker 4: they died down a bit, like, was the idea of

48:29 Speaker 4: it still so shocking to you because there was no

48:32 Speaker 4: way you could fathom that Amanda would do this this

48:34 Speaker 4: sere like was that in your head at all?

48:36 Speaker 3: No, I really didn't think that she was going to

48:39 Speaker 3: do this.

48:40 Speaker 2: Okay, now the aftermath of her like not apologizing, not

48:44 Speaker 2: taking accountability, taking too long, whatever, This doesn't surprise me

48:48 Speaker 2: because if you can move this way, did sure you

48:51 Speaker 2: can be why wouldn't you double down?

48:54 Speaker 3: And the asshole we of it all? You know what

48:56 Speaker 3: I mean.

48:57 Speaker 2: But I guess I'm not shocked, but I'm disappointed. I

49:02 Speaker 2: am disappointed. I will say this, I'm always disappointed when

49:05 Speaker 2: I lose a white woman faith. I do because there's

49:08 Speaker 2: so few of y'all out there that are good inside.

49:11 Speaker 3: And that's that's the truth.

49:13 Speaker 2: Because a lot of y'all come to my dms like

49:16 Speaker 2: I got Thanksgiving AKA or Christmas or my child's baptism

49:19 Speaker 2: or whatever with all my family, and let me tell you,

49:22 Speaker 2: Aunt Kathy, she she on one. She's you know, she

49:25 Speaker 2: is a terrible lady. And I be feeling for y'all.

49:28 Speaker 2: They tell me I released an episode. Oh I needed

49:30 Speaker 2: this right before I go and I talk to so

49:32 Speaker 2: and so because I can't stand her.

49:34 Speaker 3: She is the worst.

49:35 Speaker 2: And I'm like, it's listen, I'm not out here saying

49:38 Speaker 2: all white women. Y'all are saying that. And I really

49:41 Speaker 2: need you to collect the examples of you know, of

49:43 Speaker 2: the proof. Somebody needs to sit that girl down and

49:46 Speaker 2: be like, you're ruining it for the.

49:52 Speaker 1: You are ruining it.

49:53 Speaker 3: You are where is dewish sign? You're ruined it?

49:57 Speaker 2: Did a bad job, This was a flop, FuMB old

50:00 Speaker 2: stop release a different statement.

50:03 Speaker 3: And also we don't.

50:05 Speaker 2: I just I hate to think that if that's what

50:07 Speaker 2: we got, Sierra got even less and that I really hate.

50:10 Speaker 1: I really do too.

50:11 Speaker 4: I saw a photo of her sitting on the ground.

50:12 Speaker 4: It was taken by page six. It was allegedly taken

50:15 Speaker 4: one minute before these statements were released, So I want

50:19 Speaker 4: to assume that she got something at that point that

50:22 Speaker 4: was before TMZ. But who knows she's lying on the

50:25 Speaker 4: ground in like a white dress, like maybe she was

50:27 Speaker 4: at a photo shoot. And there's a man who sort

50:29 Speaker 4: of looks like Dez Hannah's husband is sort of comforting her.

50:34 Speaker 4: I have no idea who he is. He looks extremely old,

50:36 Speaker 4: but the concept that it was one minute before those

50:40 Speaker 4: joint statements dropped and you can see the despair in

50:43 Speaker 4: her face. I mean, the one thing I'd love to

50:45 Speaker 4: come out of this is an Arianomatics moment, not for Amanda,

50:50 Speaker 4: but for Sierra. Why not, Yeah, why can't she be

50:53 Speaker 4: Roxy on Broadway. Let's do it right to give her

50:57 Speaker 4: her chops.

50:58 Speaker 2: This is like a reverse gand I kind of like

51:01 Speaker 2: it because we thought it would be you, Amanda, and

51:03 Speaker 2: you fumbled your own glow up.

51:05 Speaker 1: Yes we were loving to glow up.

51:06 Speaker 4: But we're like, go with Amanda, sleep with every house,

51:09 Speaker 4: do everything.

51:11 Speaker 2: Take on the city. You were now one of the

51:13 Speaker 2: single girlies. You and see Era can be beautiful in

51:17 Speaker 2: the city. Summer will be fun. Oh my god, ruined.

51:20 Speaker 1: It Not that hard fun.

51:22 Speaker 4: It's not that hard to be fun because all you

51:24 Speaker 4: have to do is say anyone but West.

51:26 Speaker 1: That's it.

51:27 Speaker 3: That was a girl. It's it's really giving.

51:31 Speaker 2: Also, didn't we just have someone like denying allegations that

51:34 Speaker 2: she was having dates with them. She was having a

51:37 Speaker 2: date with them, like a couple of weeks ago. I

51:39 Speaker 2: want to say. It was like, don't even come in

51:42 Speaker 2: my DM. Was it just it was like, don't even

51:44 Speaker 2: say we were on a date, because we weren't.

51:46 Speaker 3: It was just a friendship thing or whatever.

51:48 Speaker 2: Before dumases it and Dumal actually saw it, I'm like,

51:53 Speaker 2: so were you who were Were you really telling nobody

51:55 Speaker 2: that you were doing this?

51:57 Speaker 1: No, they were because the initial doom wa thing. She

52:00 Speaker 1: reached out to Ryan Bailey.

52:02 Speaker 3: I don't know.

52:02 Speaker 4: This trajectory of what happened here is what has kept

52:04 Speaker 4: it in my brain this whole time. She reaches out

52:06 Speaker 4: to Ryan Bailey and says it's true, and he.

52:09 Speaker 1: Says, how do you know?

52:10 Speaker 4: And she goes because they are telling people, that's the

52:13 Speaker 4: weird part. Then there was House of Bravo, and beyond

52:16 Speaker 4: the blinds, they were also getting dms. This was like

52:18 Speaker 4: a month ago, So how can there be this many

52:20 Speaker 4: people reaching out and saying it. It's because you're doing

52:22 Speaker 4: it in public. So I don't think that they were

52:23 Speaker 4: hiding it. And that's why I'm confused, Like, you guys

52:27 Speaker 4: are doing this so weirdly.

52:29 Speaker 3: It's so worse.

52:30 Speaker 2: And again for Wes, what is wrong? We were all

52:33 Speaker 2: looking at the girl. You're sure we just chucked up

52:37 Speaker 2: that she has a bad picker, and men, even the

52:39 Speaker 2: white ones, you know, they're just not there's so many.

52:42 Speaker 4: There's so few men regardless, So like I want to

52:44 Speaker 4: give her that, Like, listen, I've been single for like

52:46 Speaker 4: a decade and a half.

52:47 Speaker 1: There are no men. There are no men.

52:49 Speaker 2: Yeah, she's doing her best yet and I did, and

52:51 Speaker 2: I can't imagine being Sierra.

52:53 Speaker 3: She's like, I'm really cretty. That's a good thing, and

52:56 Speaker 3: it's it's not.

52:58 Speaker 2: These men are so upset about it and Karen and

53:00 Speaker 2: then they will leave me alone and I'm like come

53:02 Speaker 2: closer and they're like ah. And then Wes, really, I'm

53:06 Speaker 2: looking at Amanda. You don't think you're pretty?

53:09 Speaker 3: Even for Wes.

53:10 Speaker 2: You're gonna blow up your friendship, your life, your job,

53:13 Speaker 2: everything for this man.

53:15 Speaker 3: Okay, now he.

53:17 Speaker 4: Cares what you think about the mental health aspect, because

53:19 Speaker 4: it just came out that apparently, poor Amanda has really

53:22 Speaker 4: been struggling with her mental health. Kyle was caught with

53:25 Speaker 4: a man on the street interview, and people are kind

53:27 Speaker 4: of coming back with.

53:28 Speaker 1: What about Sierra's mental health?

53:30 Speaker 4: They both have mental health issues, so people are Cyberlie, sorry, but.

53:37 Speaker 3: We just saw Sierra on the side of a building sobbing. Yeah,

53:41 Speaker 3: so I'm going about.

53:42 Speaker 2: Her mental health? Sure, yeah, because of your actions. Your

53:46 Speaker 2: mental health is triggered by your actions. But accountability can

53:49 Speaker 2: help with that.

53:51 Speaker 4: If you say, oh my bad, I fucked up. Do

53:53 Speaker 4: you really think you're still gonna get death threats?

53:56 Speaker 3: Probably not right.

53:57 Speaker 1: It's gonna be different if you're like I am wrong.

54:00 Speaker 2: Part of being in therapy and in taking control of

54:03 Speaker 2: your mental health when you have really shitty mental health,

54:06 Speaker 2: and I mean I got it bad to girl, I

54:09 Speaker 2: get it. I got so many diagnoses codes. I mean

54:12 Speaker 2: it's like a Russian roulette.

54:13 Speaker 3: I never know.

54:14 Speaker 2: I got a prescription of delivered almost er available every

54:18 Speaker 2: day for this brain of mind to keep me going.

54:20 Speaker 2: You still are not exempt from accountability though, when you

54:23 Speaker 2: mess up, because again, how you process information, how you

54:28 Speaker 2: choose to emote and react, and how you emote and.

54:30 Speaker 3: React with that information is what the mental helping you with.

54:34 Speaker 2: It does not change the behavior that you are going.

54:39 Speaker 3: To like or the decisions that you make.

54:41 Speaker 2: It can impact, it can maybe even in pair, but

54:44 Speaker 2: it can't make them for you. So you chose to

54:47 Speaker 2: do these things and yeah, sure you did the impulsive.

54:50 Speaker 2: Well what about if she has the big impulse and

54:52 Speaker 2: she kissed Wes in the moment that was that impulses

54:56 Speaker 2: with the ADHD and all the things they fade, they.

54:59 Speaker 3: Come and go.

55:00 Speaker 2: You chose to lean into it every single time without

55:04 Speaker 2: thinking about the consequences, the aftermath or the fallout. Every

55:08 Speaker 2: single time you ignore those things. All those times weren't triggers.

55:12 Speaker 2: All those times weren't you disassociating emotionally because of you know,

55:16 Speaker 2: someone saying something to doing something to you?

55:18 Speaker 3: All those times that wasn't the case.

55:20 Speaker 2: You telling other people and Nazierra and then letting the

55:23 Speaker 2: world find out and you responding this way is not

55:25 Speaker 2: because of any of the mental health things you had.

55:28 Speaker 2: Those are choices. You have four communication skills. You're not

55:32 Speaker 2: a very accountable individual. Your integrity sucks. Who is your

55:35 Speaker 2: mom and dad? I would like to have a parents

55:37 Speaker 2: at a conference?

55:38 Speaker 4: No, for sure, And we kind of liked her parents

55:41 Speaker 4: for a minute because her dad laughed at the idea

55:44 Speaker 4: of Kyle asking for Amanda's hand, and now I kind

55:47 Speaker 4: of want to talk to Frank Petula because I'm very

55:49 Speaker 4: concerned about the way your daughter treats other people. And

55:53 Speaker 4: to have no it's like you said, it's a continuing on.

55:56 Speaker 4: You may have had this moment, you were drunk, you

55:59 Speaker 4: were high, whatever, but it's what Sina said. This wasn't

56:02 Speaker 4: just one of those moments. This is a full on affair,

56:05 Speaker 4: full of.

56:10 Speaker 2: Full on So you're choosing to give into this impulse

56:13 Speaker 2: every single time. It's not an impulse anymore. It's a pathology,

56:17 Speaker 2: it's a it's a choice, it's a habit, it's a pattern,

56:20 Speaker 2: and you gotta do you gotta do something about that

56:22 Speaker 2: because you did the hurt people, hurt people, think to

56:26 Speaker 2: a wrong person.

56:26 Speaker 3: You wouldn't hurt a man and even hurt Kyle.

56:29 Speaker 1: You're Sierra for.

56:31 Speaker 3: What, Like, I just don't think it was worth it.

56:33 Speaker 2: You could have had your Arian moment and now you're

56:36 Speaker 2: having your Raquel moment.

56:38 Speaker 3: Yeah.

56:38 Speaker 1: I love that. That's a great line.

56:40 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, like, listen, Rihanna unfollows you. That's it.

56:43 Speaker 3: Go wrap it up.

56:45 Speaker 2: Yeah, well that would be enough reached out right now,

56:48 Speaker 2: to Seierra and be like, oh my god, I've seen

56:51 Speaker 2: the era of my ways. I'm on the wrong side

56:53 Speaker 2: of things. Because what so, what do you think.

56:56 Speaker 1: Is gonna happen now?

56:57 Speaker 4: Do you think she's going to try to course correct

56:59 Speaker 4: with a new PR per, try to apologize.

57:01 Speaker 1: Do you think she can come back? I do think

57:02 Speaker 1: there's any way.

57:04 Speaker 2: Sorry, I don't think there's any way, But I think

57:06 Speaker 2: that she should hire a PR person.

57:07 Speaker 3: I think that it'll blow over.

57:09 Speaker 2: Listen, Saucy's back to hosting reunions and you know, so

57:13 Speaker 2: it can happen for anybody, it really can. I think

57:16 Speaker 2: she'll be all right. I think that they might delay

57:19 Speaker 2: filming for a little bit, but I also think they'll

57:22 Speaker 2: give Sierra a choice. I'll be like, well, I think

57:24 Speaker 2: they might be like, what do you want to do?

57:26 Speaker 3: Do you want to film with them? Do you want.

57:28 Speaker 2: To film something separate? Different, Like we gotta do something

57:32 Speaker 2: because summer's around the corner, so something.

57:37 Speaker 3: And it should be fun.

57:38 Speaker 2: But I think that they know that, and I think

57:40 Speaker 2: they also think it should be fun for Sierra. I'm

57:42 Speaker 2: not interested to see your HASI's relationship with Wes with

57:46 Speaker 2: in Amanda and y'all, fighting about this, and now you know,

57:49 Speaker 2: that's not fun for viewers, and it's not the drama

57:51 Speaker 2: for Sierra, especially when the overwhelming public is one sided.

57:55 Speaker 3: It doesn't make for good TV. Do not do that.

57:58 Speaker 2: It ruined the last season of Vana Rules, don't do it.

58:01 Speaker 2: So I think they postponed filming a little bit, and

58:05 Speaker 2: I think they just give it a break and let it.

58:08 Speaker 2: I think they'll come back around, and Sierra might and

58:11 Speaker 2: her might never be close again, but I think that

58:14 Speaker 2: they I think she'll move on, they'll get some new people,

58:16 Speaker 2: and she can find a way to hopefully keep her

58:19 Speaker 2: job in her situation, and she continues to glow up

58:22 Speaker 2: and we get her a good man bachelorette call her.

58:26 Speaker 4: I was somebody put her on, but Rachel. It was

58:29 Speaker 4: Rachel Linday who said it. Then she's like, you know what,

58:31 Speaker 4: I know that the whole song and dancing.

58:33 Speaker 3: Don't you're terrible to black women? Never mind, I forgot, I.

58:37 Speaker 2: Forgot I was talking. I don't deserve her. I've watched

58:40 Speaker 2: every Black Girls season and it's terrible. I mean, starting

58:43 Speaker 2: with Rachel Lindsay, they was started really bad. Beat they've

58:46 Speaker 2: all gotten to brun But you know give somebody Sierra

58:51 Speaker 2: deserves an opportunity to, you know, do something else.

58:56 Speaker 4: And I think it's wild, just given the way the

58:58 Speaker 4: world typically is, the way it treats people of color,

59:02 Speaker 4: that for some reason the Bravo fandom is on the

59:04 Speaker 4: right side of this this time. That feels great, and

59:07 Speaker 4: I hope it stays that way. I hope it's nice

59:09 Speaker 4: that people are making the right decisions and having the

59:12 Speaker 4: right opinions this time.

59:13 Speaker 3: That that just feels finally fingers crossed.

59:15 Speaker 2: But I think also because it's West, we've seen him

59:18 Speaker 2: be like not really a good catch, and we've seen

59:21 Speaker 2: him be not a great catch to someone we knew

59:24 Speaker 2: was out of his league with Sierra, and so to

59:27 Speaker 2: see her friend get in a relationship with him just

59:30 Speaker 2: feels icky.

59:31 Speaker 3: It just does.

59:32 Speaker 2: It's like, regardless of how awful and all kilter we

59:36 Speaker 2: can be as a Bravo community on the wrong side

59:39 Speaker 2: of history, a lot, y'all still loves and there we go.

59:45 Speaker 2: But seriously, it's like, I'm sorry, mister out of Sierra's

59:49 Speaker 2: league is with her friend, her bff.

59:52 Speaker 3: Jail Oh bitch nasty.

59:56 Speaker 4: No, it would be insane like Kim and Kroy, Okay,

59:59 Speaker 4: but if when Croy broke up because he was sleeping

1:00:01 Speaker 4: with Cherie, that would be a big deal, right, like

1:00:03 Speaker 4: if it's somebody else actually, or you know, it's that's

1:00:06 Speaker 4: what makes it the scandal all ask And I just

1:00:09 Speaker 4: thought Amanda was too smart to do something this stupid.

1:00:12 Speaker 1: And that's on me, I guess for thinking that she

1:00:14 Speaker 1: was this intelligent.

1:00:15 Speaker 2: I did too. And they said that Andy Coweny is tired.

1:00:20 Speaker 2: It's such a mess. It's been an interesting week for Bravo.

1:00:25 Speaker 2: I'm like, part of me is like, oh my god,

1:00:27 Speaker 2: Summerhouse News. Part of me is like Jinshaw is doing

1:00:30 Speaker 2: an interview. Oh, she is out of prison, y'all? Did

1:00:32 Speaker 2: let that happen?

1:00:34 Speaker 1: Not the time, Jen, not the time. We have other

1:00:36 Speaker 1: things to do.

1:00:37 Speaker 3: Right their, don't you know? We got a lot going

1:00:39 Speaker 3: on right now. Bravo is like she.

1:00:41 Speaker 4: Did that last Oh my god, I forgot about that.

1:00:44 Speaker 4: Her first week in prison, she had her husband Sharif,

1:00:47 Speaker 4: reading from her diary off of Instagram and it was

1:00:49 Speaker 4: the day scandal all happened. And people were like, not now, I've.

1:00:53 Speaker 3: About to say whatever you're talking about.

1:00:54 Speaker 2: I have no idea because I remember Scanda all like

1:00:58 Speaker 2: it was yesterday. I had to stop everything I was

1:01:00 Speaker 2: doing myself. So Jim was doing anything wasn't with me?

1:01:04 Speaker 2: Chap listen somewhere else has been fun to watch. Lindsay's

1:01:10 Speaker 2: apartment is gorgeous.

1:01:12 Speaker 4: Holy, she's cosplaying as a Roney housewife right now, like

1:01:15 Speaker 4: her vibe or for dis apartment?

1:01:17 Speaker 3: I said, does she need to be all like? Okay,

1:01:20 Speaker 3: we doim?

1:01:20 Speaker 2: She tried, She those people, Okay, but and it's okay.

1:01:25 Speaker 2: We're gonna go okay and get over. Are you excited

1:01:27 Speaker 2: for before we get out of here? You were excited

1:01:29 Speaker 2: for Rhode Island?

1:01:31 Speaker 3: Yes?

1:01:31 Speaker 1: And can I make a quick announcement about Rhode Island?

1:01:33 Speaker 3: Oh my god? Yes?

1:01:35 Speaker 1: Okay.

1:01:35 Speaker 4: So I do this limited series on my podcast called

1:01:38 Speaker 4: Bee True Hollywood Story.

1:01:39 Speaker 1: It tells you the story of your favorite Bravo lebs

1:01:42 Speaker 1: from Brisky geddel to start up and everything in between.

1:01:45 Speaker 4: So, because one of them is now well, Ashley, I

1:01:48 Speaker 4: is the one that I decided to do.

1:01:49 Speaker 1: Not because she is from Bachelor Nations.

1:01:51 Speaker 4: So I know all her lore, her oole history, her crying,

1:01:54 Speaker 4: all of that. So I recorded a two hour episode

1:01:57 Speaker 4: of Bee True Hollywood Story which she'll tell you everything

1:02:00 Speaker 4: you need to know about Ashley I to be released

1:02:01 Speaker 4: on Thursday morning.

1:02:03 Speaker 2: Oh my god, I actually I loved I will totally

1:02:05 Speaker 2: be listening to that because I loved Ashley iron Cody

1:02:08 Speaker 2: for since Bachelor. I mean, I if you're an OG

1:02:12 Speaker 2: listener of the you know the mixwe money back when

1:02:15 Speaker 2: it was mixing with money. I love Bachelor, back and forth.

1:02:19 Speaker 2: I'd be back and forth, Bravo, Bachelor, Bava Bachelor. But Tuesday,

1:02:21 Speaker 2: Monday Night, Tuesday nights, Hello, Monday and Tuesday nights. You

1:02:26 Speaker 2: could not talk to me, but back in the day.

1:02:29 Speaker 3: Okay. So I love Ashley.

1:02:31 Speaker 2: I was so excited for her to be on this

1:02:33 Speaker 2: season because it we never get that crossover of Bachelor

1:02:37 Speaker 2: and to Bravo and vice versa.

1:02:38 Speaker 3: It's then, I feel often that we deserve. So I

1:02:41 Speaker 3: think this is gonna be great.

1:02:42 Speaker 2: They got a girly on there who's been in a

1:02:44 Speaker 2: relationship for ten plus years but no marriage in sight.

1:02:47 Speaker 2: Love that for us because we can't wait to judge

1:02:50 Speaker 2: with our eyes and miles and go hunh. That's a choice.

1:02:55 Speaker 2: I can't wait, And Dolorous is in the midst of

1:02:57 Speaker 2: it all. So I'm so happy.

1:02:59 Speaker 1: It's two franchises at the same time.

1:03:02 Speaker 2: Who shows to check love that fidolo and she's engaged

1:03:07 Speaker 2: at the same time as both of her kids, Her

1:03:10 Speaker 2: and our children are all engaged.

1:03:13 Speaker 3: Those are so cute, you know, Sierra.

1:03:18 Speaker 4: We just need a happiness for her, I know, and

1:03:20 Speaker 4: you know what it's gonna happen for her.

1:03:22 Speaker 3: It really is.

1:03:22 Speaker 2: I have to believe it because we've been wanting a

1:03:24 Speaker 2: fidelo for so long. Yeah, it's gotta happen to manifest.

1:03:27 Speaker 4: Like Amanda would say, let's just try to make that

1:03:30 Speaker 4: shit happen for sus.

1:03:33 Speaker 1: Listen, trying to be positive.

1:03:35 Speaker 2: She need to manifest some knows to manifest a clue,

1:03:38 Speaker 2: to manifest a clue. Oh my god, Tana, it's been

1:03:42 Speaker 2: so lovely having you here. Thank you so much for

1:03:45 Speaker 2: being here today, for chatting with me about this summer

1:03:48 Speaker 2: house mess.

1:03:49 Speaker 3: Oh my god, where can people listen to you? Find you?

1:03:52 Speaker 2: And of course, I mean if they're in a if

1:03:54 Speaker 2: they're under a rock, we'll forgive them, We'll get grace

1:03:56 Speaker 2: to them, not Amanda. Where can they also then hear

1:03:59 Speaker 2: about this? You know, hear this episode this be true

1:04:02 Speaker 2: Hollywood Story which excellent d title. By the way, I

1:04:06 Speaker 2: think I've said before I loved E True Hollywood Story back.

1:04:10 Speaker 3: In the day.

1:04:12 Speaker 2: I loved it bad like That's why I really like

1:04:15 Speaker 2: the Dirty Rotten Scandal series that they just put out,

1:04:18 Speaker 2: because it really felt reminiscent of is true Hollywood Story

1:04:21 Speaker 2: back in the day. It really felt good. So where

1:04:23 Speaker 2: can they hear that? Because I'll be listening. I know

1:04:25 Speaker 2: where to go so well.

1:04:26 Speaker 4: Thank you so much for having me first of all,

1:04:28 Speaker 4: but you guys can follow me on Instagram, TikTok, and

1:04:31 Speaker 4: threads at the Bravo Investigator. You can download the Bravo

1:04:34 Speaker 4: Investigator podcast wherever you get your podcasts or watch on

1:04:37 Speaker 4: YouTube and y'all. On Thursday, I will be releasing be

1:04:40 Speaker 4: True Hollywood Story, Ashley.

1:04:41 Speaker 2: I Yes, thank you so much for being here, Dana.

1:04:44 Speaker 2: Thank you guys so much for listening.

1:04:46 Speaker 3: Again.

1:04:48 Speaker 2: That's spend Dana. I've been MONI you know where to

1:04:50 Speaker 2: find me on all the things at Mixing with Money

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