213. Gabbing about Greek Tragedies: RHOSLC Finale w/ Gibson Johns (@gabbingwithgib)

0:00 Speaker 1: Sounds Truck.

0:09 Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, Hello, beautiful and wonderful mixologists out there. It

0:14 Speaker 2: is your girl Moni and you're in the mix with Moni.

0:17 Speaker 2: Anna Gibson John's I'm so excited that you're here, the

0:22 Speaker 2: host of Gabbing with Gibb, Welcome back to the show.

0:26 Speaker 3: It's been a minute, but I'm so glad you're here.

0:28 Speaker 4: So happy to be here. A monumental week to be back,

0:31 Speaker 4: first of the year, Salt Lake City Finale, Like, there's

0:34 Speaker 4: a lot going on, but I appreciate you having me back.

0:38 Speaker 2: No, absolutely, I was so excited. I've been like scheduling

0:41 Speaker 2: people out. We have a lot of fun people coming.

0:43 Speaker 2: Happy New Year.

0:43 Speaker 3: Mixologists.

0:44 Speaker 2: Totally forgot that mixes like lo when I say this week,

0:47 Speaker 2: this first week back in January, has been the longest

0:50 Speaker 2: week of my whole human, fucking life.

0:52 Speaker 3: I don't exaggerate.

0:54 Speaker 2: I don't if I'm opening up the first three minutes

0:57 Speaker 2: of the podcast with the like the word, the F word,

1:00 Speaker 2: y'all know what's real?

1:01 Speaker 3: Them kids got me running ragged.

1:02 Speaker 2: I forgot to say, happen to you to everybody I've

1:05 Speaker 2: already it feels like it's been a year in eight

1:07 Speaker 2: days and I'm a teacher and easy, so I don't

1:09 Speaker 2: know what y'all got going on home. Your weeks are

1:11 Speaker 2: going a little bit better than mine, but I can't say,

1:15 Speaker 2: thank God, it's Friday enough, but I really need it.

1:18 Speaker 3: Think everybody got your god Mine.

1:21 Speaker 2: The Macha guys, the Earth, Bravo, Andy, everybody.

1:24 Speaker 4: Couldn't have better myself. Yeah, yeah, we're trying. It's like

1:31 Speaker 4: the New Year. It's like we should it should be

1:34 Speaker 4: taking it easy for us to like, you know, ease

1:37 Speaker 4: into it all.

1:38 Speaker 3: But everybody, like I was going back last night.

1:40 Speaker 4: Last night, I was on my couch and I was like, wait,

1:42 Speaker 4: New Year's Eve was a week ago. I like, that's

1:45 Speaker 4: that's that's impossible.

1:46 Speaker 1: That's impossible.

1:47 Speaker 2: Seriously, it doesn't even feel like I, you know, because

1:50 Speaker 2: I'm a teacher. I got a couple of weeks off

1:51 Speaker 2: and I was so well rested. These were the first

1:54 Speaker 2: days that slept past six o'clock and got more than

1:56 Speaker 2: six hours of sleep. When I tell you, I went

1:59 Speaker 2: to work on Monday, great. By Tuesday, I was like,

2:02 Speaker 2: oh never mind.

2:05 Speaker 3: This fire came right back.

2:07 Speaker 2: We got right back into the exhaustion bag and we

2:10 Speaker 2: felt exactly the same. But the only thing that persisted, honestly,

2:14 Speaker 2: getting me through the week was that TV was.

2:17 Speaker 3: Gonna be bananas this week.

2:18 Speaker 2: It was gonna be bonkers and I was gonna have

2:21 Speaker 2: all my dopamine fixes when I got home. Y'all, I

2:24 Speaker 2: ain't cooked a meal all week unless it was complete

2:26 Speaker 2: dopamine food, like of what I wanted to make. Because

2:29 Speaker 2: I was watching my girlies and I knew you were

2:33 Speaker 2: coming on and I was like, great, we'll talk about

2:36 Speaker 2: Salt Lake City.

2:37 Speaker 3: Well, maybe see if we watch something else or I haven't.

2:40 Speaker 2: Told about Potomac Babies, mixologies y'all know y'all watch Gibson.

2:45 Speaker 2: I know you too, were like, Oh, this is all

2:48 Speaker 2: my mind. Who could I text about? How good that

2:51 Speaker 2: finale was? Was like constantly on my mind while watching.

2:54 Speaker 2: Who do I tell this is news? This is really

2:57 Speaker 2: a lot.

2:58 Speaker 4: Just tell the world, spread the spread the Salt Lake

3:01 Speaker 4: City gospel, not the moment.

3:04 Speaker 3: This is salt You've had a season.

3:06 Speaker 4: The Sisters of Salt.

3:09 Speaker 1: I guess.

3:12 Speaker 2: I can't believe what we experienced and I am so

3:16 Speaker 2: excited to talk about it with you.

3:18 Speaker 3: So let's dive right in. First. I have a lot

3:22 Speaker 3: of questions for you. I have a lot of questions.

3:25 Speaker 2: And it's not because I haven't formulated opinions on my own.

3:29 Speaker 2: It's because it's like, regardless of whether I have or haven't,

3:33 Speaker 2: I really am fascinated to know where people how people

3:36 Speaker 2: viewed this episode and where there's like there's such clear

3:42 Speaker 2: lines quote unquote, but like there's such clear like, oh,

3:45 Speaker 2: you definitely have an opinion or a side about this

3:49 Speaker 2: particular thing, this fight or this fight.

3:51 Speaker 3: Where do you fall?

3:53 Speaker 2: How did you feel about this as a finale of

3:57 Speaker 2: like housewives finales?

3:58 Speaker 3: How does this? How did this one go for you? Like?

4:03 Speaker 4: It's interesting because I watched it twice, so I watched

4:05 Speaker 4: it live and then I watched I watched it the

4:07 Speaker 4: next morning because I because when I watched it live,

4:12 Speaker 4: like you knew it was like epic, but I I

4:14 Speaker 4: the episode ended in quite frankly, I was kind of like,

4:17 Speaker 4: what the fuck did I just watch? You know, because

4:18 Speaker 4: it was like I just really wasn't I wasn't sure

4:21 Speaker 4: where to land. And also like once again they're ending

4:26 Speaker 4: on a cast trip with no resolution, and so it

4:30 Speaker 4: kind of it kind of just like drops off, like

4:31 Speaker 4: we had this huge dramatic divide. There doesn't least start

4:34 Speaker 4: over here. Everyone else is over here, and then the

4:36 Speaker 4: episode just ends, and it's the season just ends, and

4:39 Speaker 4: so it's just like I wasn't sure what to think,

4:41 Speaker 4: but after watching a second time, I liked it a

4:44 Speaker 4: lot more. But I still wish, I mean, we can

4:47 Speaker 4: maybe get to the end, but like, I need them

4:49 Speaker 4: to not end on vacations anymore. I need them to

4:52 Speaker 4: have finale rap parties because it just feels like, I know,

4:55 Speaker 4: they treat the reunion sort of like finales now where

4:57 Speaker 4: they can unpack everything, but I I wanted a little

5:01 Speaker 4: bit more resolution. And even though I don't know, the

5:05 Speaker 4: way I'm landing is that Heather was bugging me at

5:08 Speaker 4: the end of that, I mean, and she was, she

5:10 Speaker 4: already kind of was because I just felt like even

5:12 Speaker 4: if I felt like they were trying to get Meredith

5:14 Speaker 4: to admit to something that she was never going to

5:16 Speaker 4: admit to, whether it happened or not. Yeah, like and

5:19 Speaker 4: I and and and it just felt like we've been

5:21 Speaker 4: going in circles and circles and circles, and the finale

5:23 Speaker 4: was sort of set up to be this sort of

5:25 Speaker 4: like takedown of Meredith or intervention of Meredith or gotcha

5:29 Speaker 4: of Meredith and like it just wasn't gonna work. It

5:32 Speaker 4: didn't work in terms of that, and I just feel like,

5:37 Speaker 4: whether it's like producers driving her to do this or

5:40 Speaker 4: coming from sort of internally Heather, just I feel like

5:43 Speaker 4: she at this point post two years post reality von tees,

5:46 Speaker 4: we're trying to force big moments in at monuent like

5:51 Speaker 4: in the finales and at big cast dinners and stuff

5:54 Speaker 4: that don't feel natural, and I just I didn't. I was.

6:00 Speaker 4: I was struggling with her, particular in those last fifteen

6:02 Speaker 4: minutes of this episode.

6:03 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been struggling with Heather the last fifteen episodes

6:06 Speaker 2: of the season.

6:07 Speaker 4: Yeah, so the whole season, Yeah.

6:10 Speaker 3: The whole season.

6:11 Speaker 2: Practically I've been I've never been quite a Heather fan,

6:14 Speaker 2: but I will say particularly this and that was because

6:17 Speaker 2: of her personality nothing else.

6:19 Speaker 3: I don't like.

6:20 Speaker 2: It very much, but I find her to be a

6:24 Speaker 2: little bit of a pick me Like she will go

6:27 Speaker 2: any way of the direction. She'll either pick on someone

6:30 Speaker 2: like Lisa or Meredith or whatever, but only because they

6:33 Speaker 2: don't like her yet, and when they do, it's different,

6:36 Speaker 2: and she can kind of play this trump card of

6:38 Speaker 2: how she's everybody's friend, but she's also always trying to

6:40 Speaker 2: expose everybody, so and like make everybody fess up to

6:44 Speaker 2: something and cry. But like it's like I'm your friend,

6:47 Speaker 2: and I'm like, just also because you say it doesn't

6:49 Speaker 2: necessarily make it true.

6:50 Speaker 3: Make it true.

6:51 Speaker 2: And that's her argument for far too many things where

6:54 Speaker 2: the only reason that this friend is shutting down or

6:56 Speaker 2: putting a wall up is because you stirred that, like

6:58 Speaker 2: you specifically start the pot.

7:00 Speaker 1: You right, like it was here.

7:02 Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean Lisa said it best at the

7:04 Speaker 4: very end of the episode. She was like, Heather was like,

7:07 Speaker 4: you drew a line in the sand, walk the fuck away,

7:09 Speaker 4: and Heather and Lisa's like, you can't tell me what

7:11 Speaker 4: to do, like you're not the judge jury.

7:13 Speaker 3: And I just was.

7:16 Speaker 4: It frustrated me because I felt like after the Sisters

7:18 Speaker 4: of Salt performance, it felt like, you know, Bronwin in

7:26 Speaker 4: tears being pretty honest and open about things, Lisa tearful moments,

7:31 Speaker 4: you know, was pretty honest about certain things. Her and

7:33 Speaker 4: Angie had a nice moment, Meredith was in tears, kind

7:36 Speaker 4: of being reflective, and then it gets to Heather and

7:39 Speaker 4: she makes it about Meredith again, and I just thought

7:41 Speaker 4: that we were headed in this more like productive direction

7:45 Speaker 4: that I was like, I was mostly buying. Yeah, Meredith

7:48 Speaker 4: was not going to like break down her marriage and

7:50 Speaker 4: the plane incident once again. But like shed, it felt

7:54 Speaker 4: like we were going around the circle having a nice

7:56 Speaker 4: little emotional bonding moment with this with the sisters of Salt,

7:59 Speaker 4: and then Heather just has to take it back to like, uh,

8:04 Speaker 4: it was just so frustrating. I don't know, yeah, it was.

8:07 Speaker 2: It was definitely frustrating. I will say that for a finale,

8:10 Speaker 2: it wasn't as fun. I kind of like the I mean,

8:13 Speaker 2: it was jam packed, had all the things.

8:15 Speaker 3: But I would have loved.

8:17 Speaker 2: An episode before the finale because I actually really liked resolution.

8:21 Speaker 2: And that's not just because one educator and two was

8:24 Speaker 2: an English major. I'd like you to take the climax

8:27 Speaker 2: and then like do something with it, because then that

8:30 Speaker 2: to me, to me for a better reunion. Some of

8:32 Speaker 2: my favorite reunion moments have been where do you stand today?

8:36 Speaker 2: You had a contention season, but you made up at

8:38 Speaker 2: the end of hy I thought we were good. It's

8:40 Speaker 2: my favorite sentence. That's my reunion because it means we're

8:43 Speaker 2: about to get some tea baby right now. We saw

8:48 Speaker 2: you two sit down and squash it, you know, Smia Porsche,

8:51 Speaker 2: those type of things. In the end, we saw some

8:53 Speaker 2: kind of resolution and now y'all sitting on the opposite

8:55 Speaker 2: sides of the couch and Clarence tell me more. I

8:58 Speaker 2: thought we were good, But then I get a tag.

9:00 Speaker 2: I don't want to end with everyone fighting because that

9:02 Speaker 2: means that we're just going to continue fighting at the reunion,

9:05 Speaker 2: and that's gonna see the whole episode like doing that,

9:08 Speaker 2: and almost immediately does that get confirmed to be true

9:12 Speaker 2: because in the trailer of the reunion, which we will

9:15 Speaker 2: talk about at the end.

9:16 Speaker 3: And then I want to back up.

9:17 Speaker 2: A little, but Andy walking off almost told me almost

9:20 Speaker 2: made me disappointed. It didn't necessarily make me get as

9:22 Speaker 2: excited as anything. I'm like, so do they's so bored

9:26 Speaker 2: of being a housewife dad now and watching all these

9:29 Speaker 2: bitches fight, or he's like I can't, like I've had

9:33 Speaker 2: enough and this is too much. And I don't want

9:35 Speaker 2: him to be exasperated because that means I'm going to

9:37 Speaker 2: be exasperated.

9:39 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think that.

9:40 Speaker 3: I'm not getting paid as much as Andy.

9:42 Speaker 4: It's zero none of us are. Oh I think that.

9:46 Speaker 1: Yeah.

9:47 Speaker 4: I mean there was that sleepover slumber party scene that

9:50 Speaker 4: was that was in the mid season trailer several times

9:52 Speaker 4: that looked very sort of bonding positive vibes that was

9:55 Speaker 4: cut from the show. Yeah, and it just made me

9:58 Speaker 4: think about what you just said, which is that, like,

10:00 Speaker 4: I think that one of the biggest calling cards for

10:03 Speaker 4: Salt Lake City is that it's a funny show. Or

10:05 Speaker 4: usually it can't be funny show. And I said this

10:09 Speaker 4: in my podcast, but I was like, this is the

10:12 Speaker 4: real house of the Salt Lake City going to Greece,

10:14 Speaker 4: and that should be like a comedy to me, like

10:18 Speaker 4: that should be hijakes, that should be you know, getting

10:21 Speaker 4: drunk by the pool, and like we saw, we saw

10:25 Speaker 4: so little fun. We saw so little fun, like the

10:29 Speaker 4: even even the even the donkey moment became's talk about Meredith,

10:34 Speaker 4: you know, or and it just it's just like they

10:37 Speaker 4: cut the slumber party scene, they cut the going out

10:39 Speaker 4: scene where it would have been it would have added

10:41 Speaker 4: some levity, some balance. But I think they're I love

10:46 Speaker 4: the show, and I did like the finale. I just

10:48 Speaker 4: end missing, like you, the laughs, and none of it

10:52 Speaker 4: was funny. Last night.

10:53 Speaker 2: Yes, I do think this this season was fantastic. I

10:57 Speaker 2: even thought this episode was wild. My wife watched with

10:59 Speaker 2: me and he was like floored the whole time, like

11:01 Speaker 2: what the hell?

11:02 Speaker 3: But what's fully invested?

11:03 Speaker 2: And she's never that, you know, not on the Housewives,

11:06 Speaker 2: but like it was really they have been like my

11:11 Speaker 2: mainly white Avengers, because I like treat them and I

11:16 Speaker 2: hold them in almost the same regard as I hold Potomac.

11:18 Speaker 2: Like I love Salt Lake City about as much as

11:22 Speaker 2: I love Potomac, and I love Potomac as much as

11:24 Speaker 2: I love Potomac because I also live in the area

11:27 Speaker 2: and can connect with it on a different level, which

11:29 Speaker 2: is really saying something about Salt Lake City because I

11:32 Speaker 2: can't connect with shit over there in Salt Lake City.

11:35 Speaker 2: So for me to love them just as much and

11:38 Speaker 2: hold them in just as high regardless, because they're funny

11:41 Speaker 2: and can't be in quirky, and honestly, I thought we

11:43 Speaker 2: had a big opportunity for that with this quote unquote

11:46 Speaker 2: play performance, if you will, when they sat down and

11:50 Speaker 2: had these interviews, and I think what ends up happening

11:52 Speaker 2: to your point, is that they overproduce and they don't

11:57 Speaker 2: rely on the fact that they're already toxic friends, riends

12:00 Speaker 2: and mean bitious who love hating on each other, but

12:04 Speaker 2: would only want to do this with each other, And

12:07 Speaker 2: so just rely on that because when you try to

12:10 Speaker 2: force it, it went too far. Because y'all all are

12:13 Speaker 2: going to talk shit to Stella the play right, you

12:16 Speaker 2: did not need to go any deeper than that. But

12:19 Speaker 2: also I want to back up to that because when

12:22 Speaker 2: they sat down with Stella, that was I liked that

12:27 Speaker 2: that was executed better to me than that Spiritual Guide

12:32 Speaker 2: intuitive a couple few episodes ago, when the ladies kept

12:36 Speaker 2: going in and out of the green room, that this

12:39 Speaker 2: was executed actually quite well to me. I thought it

12:42 Speaker 2: was very funny to see how they talked about each other.

12:46 Speaker 2: Lisa to me, gave one hell of a performance this episode,

12:50 Speaker 2: and I really just agree or I get your thoughts

12:53 Speaker 2: on this.

12:53 Speaker 3: First, How do you feel about baby Baby gee? Lisa? Oh?

12:57 Speaker 4: She oh, she's historically okay to tear for ky Okay. Yeah,

13:03 Speaker 4: they can never make me and I really see.

13:07 Speaker 2: Sometimes like I don't understand why anyone would thinks she

13:09 Speaker 2: is good TV because that bitch said, I don't know,

13:11 Speaker 2: just make sure I look great.

13:14 Speaker 4: She said, she said, Oh, I'm just coming up with

13:16 Speaker 4: so many words smart, she's.

13:21 Speaker 1: I'm such a sad what are you? Are you a leo? Now?

13:24 Speaker 1: Are you? Are?

13:25 Speaker 4: You?

13:25 Speaker 3: Get past it?

13:26 Speaker 2: And then she goes she gets three wrong, she goes,

13:29 Speaker 2: she goes, so what are you?

13:32 Speaker 1: Oh?

13:32 Speaker 2: I was gonna say that, But you cannot write her

13:36 Speaker 2: as a character also meaning you don't need to pump

13:40 Speaker 2: her later for anything. You don't need to produce Lisa Heather,

13:45 Speaker 2: she will Lisa all by herself, really do it all

13:49 Speaker 2: by themselves. And so we're here because they start one way,

13:55 Speaker 2: and then we get a twelve hours earlier, and when

13:57 Speaker 2: they get the twelve hours earlier, we find out these

14:00 Speaker 2: ladies contributed to the writing and the composition of this

14:04 Speaker 2: play performance which I thought was bananas to watch. I'm

14:08 Speaker 2: not gonna lie like I was, like, am I high?

14:11 Speaker 2: The answer was yes, but it was not.

14:13 Speaker 3: The point.

14:15 Speaker 1: Was really.

14:18 Speaker 2: Because and y'all who were also shout out to my

14:20 Speaker 2: comments section on all the podcast things. I see y'all

14:23 Speaker 2: send to me the emojis knowing you made it to

14:25 Speaker 2: the puff at the end.

14:26 Speaker 3: That's like, I love y'all.

14:28 Speaker 2: But Meredith and Bronwyn and Mary apparently were up late,

14:34 Speaker 2: post the day of festivities, post the interviews, post Lisa

14:38 Speaker 2: being called one of the eldest of the crew, they

14:42 Speaker 2: are there, Mary goes to bed because Mary, like me,

14:46 Speaker 2: likes to go hit the hay and can't be around

14:49 Speaker 2: the ladies for too long.

14:50 Speaker 3: Understandable.

14:51 Speaker 2: I guess Meredith may or may not have texted. Well,

14:55 Speaker 2: she did text rong when we saw the text and

14:57 Speaker 2: asked her if she was up and if she would

15:00 Speaker 2: come down and talk. Basically brown Wan chooses to go

15:03 Speaker 2: down and talk. Now the discrepancy where like the split stories,

15:07 Speaker 2: lie is, did Meredith as Braun what happened at the

15:12 Speaker 2: lunch kind of like and they keep saying pumping for information?

15:18 Speaker 2: But I don't think she's pumping for him. It doesn't

15:19 Speaker 2: so something that she's pumping for information. It's only she

15:21 Speaker 2: was preparing and trying to be in preparation for the

15:25 Speaker 2: play and the reunion. Essentially, like, what did y'all talk about?

15:30 Speaker 2: I know they filmed that lunch and y'all are we

15:32 Speaker 2: had a good night tonight? Maybe you'll tell me. And

15:36 Speaker 2: that's where we lost Meredith because she said no, she didn't.

15:40 Speaker 3: Whom do you believe I.

15:42 Speaker 4: Mean, I believe Meredith asked about the lunch. I love

15:44 Speaker 4: me some Meredith Marx, but I mean, I think it's

15:46 Speaker 4: pretty obvious she asked about the lunch. And even on

15:49 Speaker 4: the van ride when bron Win's confronting her, she sort

15:53 Speaker 4: of slips because she says, like I made a statement

15:56 Speaker 4: about it or something. She admits at first she shuts

15:59 Speaker 4: down any lunch talk, and then on the van she says,

16:02 Speaker 4: I didn't ask a question about it, made a statement

16:03 Speaker 4: about it, So it's sort of it. It changes a

16:06 Speaker 4: little bit. But yeah, I mean I believe she asked

16:08 Speaker 4: but the lunch, and and I believe that she probably

16:12 Speaker 4: suspected they were talking about her, and which they want.

16:16 Speaker 4: I think, I yeah, which they were, And I think

16:18 Speaker 4: so her suspicions were correct. If I'm Bronwyn, I do

16:23 Speaker 4: understand like kind of this is the kind of a

16:24 Speaker 4: third strike in terms of like I understand why she

16:28 Speaker 4: feels this way. I don't really understand the outside.

16:30 Speaker 1: Reaction to it.

16:31 Speaker 4: Like she's on that roof she is like going off

16:34 Speaker 4: on Meredith and Meredith is giving her nothing, and I

16:36 Speaker 4: think that that's that's probably why she is. I just

16:39 Speaker 4: I don't understand what the big deal is that Meredith

16:42 Speaker 4: wanted to know. And also bro and I actually you

16:45 Speaker 4: have to remember that Browin is the one that bring

16:47 Speaker 4: that brought up the Seth story, and so that's part

16:50 Speaker 4: of the reason why she doesn't want to reveal it

16:52 Speaker 4: to Meredith off camera at two am.

16:54 Speaker 3: Right exactly.

16:55 Speaker 2: And I think that that I just felt a little

16:57 Speaker 2: bit like Bronwyn was. We were in our opportunist bag

17:01 Speaker 2: this episode, and this is it's weird because I don't

17:04 Speaker 2: find my relationship to Broman and be complicated. I think

17:07 Speaker 2: she's calculated every bit as what she loves.

17:10 Speaker 3: I think she's gorgeous.

17:12 Speaker 2: I think she has excellent costumes and outfits.

17:15 Speaker 3: Both some one than others.

17:19 Speaker 2: But I think she also is here to play housewives.

17:23 Speaker 2: I do think that because she has to. This is

17:26 Speaker 2: her bread and butter. She was trying to get on

17:28 Speaker 2: this show so she could leave that man. In my opinion,

17:31 Speaker 2: I believe she didn't. I now believe she came on

17:34 Speaker 2: the show to get divorced. I don't think that was

17:36 Speaker 2: as clear early, but I knew she came on the

17:37 Speaker 2: show for something because I just find her to be

17:39 Speaker 2: so smart, like the way that not in smart and

17:43 Speaker 2: hiding behind her addictions and her fancy words like Meredith.

17:48 Speaker 2: I find Bramwin to be actually quite intelligent. I think

17:52 Speaker 2: like in another world she would have been able to

17:54 Speaker 2: do really well, like in another world as like a

17:57 Speaker 2: serious like analyst or a person that does like real

18:01 Speaker 2: like recom work. She's really smart, but also kind of calculated.

18:06 Speaker 3: A little bit.

18:06 Speaker 2: And I think that she needed to pick a fight

18:09 Speaker 2: with narrative because she also needed before the end of

18:11 Speaker 2: the season to be able to mention Seth and allude

18:13 Speaker 2: to something and it's I've seen something something similar. I

18:17 Speaker 2: would have said, Oh, y'all gonna do the grass right now? Wow,

18:20 Speaker 2: I pay all this money to do this.

18:23 Speaker 3: During the day time.

18:25 Speaker 2: It is four fifty three in the evening hours. I'm

18:29 Speaker 2: so sorry, y'all. And we don't figure it itself out anyways,

18:33 Speaker 2: Indy OSEPHO, I felt.

18:34 Speaker 3: Like this was a moment.

18:35 Speaker 2: This was that same kind of moment to me of

18:38 Speaker 2: when she on the reunion introduced out of nowhere TJ

18:42 Speaker 2: being paid for, Like, is this something that you knew

18:46 Speaker 2: or you wanted to make sure got on the show

18:48 Speaker 2: right now? And so also grow when you told her

18:51 Speaker 2: you're telling people that Meredith asked you, but I don't

18:54 Speaker 2: believe you danced around it, And also why would you.

18:57 Speaker 3: If anything, I'm like, stand on it.

18:59 Speaker 2: I think I would love if she stood on it

19:01 Speaker 2: and was like, yeah, the lunch we did talk about

19:03 Speaker 2: you and it did come up.

19:05 Speaker 3: Yeah.

19:06 Speaker 2: I mean, if you're not gonna tell her then about Seth,

19:08 Speaker 2: which does prove that you're not really her friend, Meredith's friend,

19:12 Speaker 2: because you had an opportunity to tell her and you

19:14 Speaker 2: waited until cameras were about to go down the last

19:17 Speaker 2: six and.

19:17 Speaker 3: A half minutes of filming and.

19:20 Speaker 2: Was like, I did see me and Todd did see Seth,

19:22 Speaker 2: and like, what does that even me? Like, she absolutely

19:26 Speaker 2: was alluding to something. She already said it to somebody else,

19:29 Speaker 2: and if she has to say it to Meredith, so

19:30 Speaker 2: she can say that she said it to our face

19:32 Speaker 2: and not just behind her back. But if the whole

19:34 Speaker 2: gag is that you keep saying things behind Meredith's back

19:37 Speaker 2: and you are talking about her every time she's paranoid,

19:41 Speaker 2: then I'm like, is she paranoid? Because for a second,

19:43 Speaker 2: these ladies almost have me believing that Meredith was spiraling

19:46 Speaker 2: out and like delusional until I realized the most of

19:50 Speaker 2: what they're saying she's paranoid or anxious about happening is happening,

19:54 Speaker 2: Like she is anxious about people bringing up her marriage

19:58 Speaker 2: and anxious about people on camera talking about Seth being

20:02 Speaker 2: out and about or cheating, and they are behind her

20:05 Speaker 2: back and then now in front of her face to

20:06 Speaker 2: be like so just so you know, gonna talk about

20:08 Speaker 2: this at the reunion because we did see we did

20:11 Speaker 2: see Seth and now we're saying it on camera, and

20:15 Speaker 2: that was enough for me to have gotten up.

20:19 Speaker 3: I would have been Lisa.

20:20 Speaker 2: I felt like Lisa in that moment where yes, that's

20:22 Speaker 2: my friend, and yes I've called her out on some things,

20:25 Speaker 2: like because Bronman tried to use that point, even Lisa

20:29 Speaker 2: has said things about you and I wasn't.

20:31 Speaker 3: I never did that, I'm your friend, blah blah blah.

20:34 Speaker 2: But now you're standing in front of everybody as we're

20:36 Speaker 2: about to leave out of here, as you see him

20:38 Speaker 2: in distress that I'm crazy, delusional and my husband is

20:41 Speaker 2: cheating on me or something. I don't know who he was,

20:44 Speaker 2: I don't know who he was having dinner with. It's

20:47 Speaker 2: not the same thing as I didn't see him with

20:49 Speaker 2: anybody and she knows that. I do think that lady

20:52 Speaker 2: is calculated, just with an excellent.

20:53 Speaker 3: Head of hair.

20:57 Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean even Mary, who was like backing and

21:00 Speaker 4: went up, was like, no, she saw somebody and she's

21:03 Speaker 4: insinuating that he was cheating on you. Yes, yeah, yeah,

21:07 Speaker 4: but I but I wish that Brahma could have taken

21:09 Speaker 4: it over the line, but she couldn't. And yeah, I

21:12 Speaker 4: think that Bromwin she brings up the seth thing for

21:15 Speaker 4: multi for a couple of reasons. And I think one

21:18 Speaker 4: of the reasons why she is turning on Meredith in

21:20 Speaker 4: this last day is because I think she does genuinely

21:23 Speaker 4: feels snip away. But I also think that she has

21:26 Speaker 4: recently betrayed Whitney by repeating what she had said to

21:30 Speaker 4: her about Meredith to Meredith, and this is her trying

21:33 Speaker 4: to win that back by being like, no, I don't

21:35 Speaker 4: I'm not with Meredith. I can be with you guys,

21:38 Speaker 4: and I can show you that. I think it was

21:39 Speaker 4: almost like sort of like she was demonstrating something to Heather,

21:43 Speaker 4: Whitney and all them. That's sort of how I read

21:45 Speaker 4: it a little bit. And yeah, I agree, I think

21:48 Speaker 4: Lisa was being an amazing friend at the end there.

21:50 Speaker 4: And I think I think Lisa had a really good

21:53 Speaker 4: last episode end of the season.

21:57 Speaker 1: Yeah, at the beginning, the beginning was a good season

22:00 Speaker 1: for her.

22:00 Speaker 3: I think that's awful.

22:02 Speaker 4: We have some hardships, and I think that I think

22:05 Speaker 4: that's why this season we got a couple less funny

22:08 Speaker 4: moments from her. I think that she kind of low

22:10 Speaker 4: key kind of shut down similarly to Meredith. I think

22:12 Speaker 4: it was kind of a weird season for in bits

22:14 Speaker 4: there because she felt targeted and so yeah, I think

22:18 Speaker 4: that Lisa showed that she was choosing like, no, I'm

22:21 Speaker 4: going to be a good friend of Meredith. You can't

22:22 Speaker 4: tell me that I can't speak up for her. I'm

22:24 Speaker 4: not being her mouthpiece. I'm being a good friend to

22:26 Speaker 4: her by defending her and calling out what you're not

22:29 Speaker 4: admitting to. So I think that Lisa really had a

22:33 Speaker 4: really strong last two episodes in particular, Like I think

22:36 Speaker 4: it's like her calling out Brittany at the SPA, you

22:39 Speaker 4: know about her comparing the stuff with the kids, Like

22:43 Speaker 4: she's being a good friend of Meredith and I and

22:45 Speaker 4: I see people online call an alliance, and I think

22:47 Speaker 4: there's probably elements of that, but I do. I've been

22:50 Speaker 4: with Lisa Meredith in pretty small scenarios and they are friends,

22:54 Speaker 4: and so I think that absolutely they're real friends.

22:57 Speaker 3: I honestly just.

22:57 Speaker 2: Think that, and that's what and it's one of the

22:59 Speaker 2: reasons I loverged makes a good house life. I think

23:01 Speaker 2: that Lisa is shallow and I think that's okay.

23:04 Speaker 4: Well, and as we saw, but what was we saw

23:06 Speaker 4: after the play, It's like she would almost admit that,

23:08 Speaker 4: and she she places so much emphasis on these more

23:11 Speaker 4: shallow things because they reflect what she's accomplished and she

23:16 Speaker 4: sees that as like a badge of honor. And it

23:18 Speaker 4: all makes sense again. The system Stella, the playwright.

23:21 Speaker 2: Spuilt excellent. I actually felt like there were no lies.

23:25 Speaker 2: I want to go through a couple of them with you.

23:26 Speaker 4: To let's go through it.

23:28 Speaker 2: Yeah, Lisa one of the eldest. That was funny to

23:31 Speaker 2: me that Lisa uses her wealth as a shield and

23:36 Speaker 2: like kind of has this elitist attitude, which is quite true.

23:41 Speaker 2: I think she does use it as a shield, and

23:43 Speaker 2: I think she admitted to it. And it actually because

23:45 Speaker 2: Stella wrote this down, it actually gave a door for

23:48 Speaker 2: Lisa to open up, which is all they've been asking

23:51 Speaker 2: her to do. And I think totally herself a lot

23:54 Speaker 2: this season. This was her own personal best and she

23:57 Speaker 2: was like, I do want deep relationships and friendships. I

24:01 Speaker 2: just am a shallow girly because I want people to

24:03 Speaker 2: know how hard I've worked and I've accomplished. And I

24:05 Speaker 2: can't just run you my dossie, and when you see

24:08 Speaker 2: me because also when you see her, you probably wouldn't

24:10 Speaker 2: think all that, So her, she wants people to know

24:14 Speaker 2: that about her, and I thought it was brave of

24:16 Speaker 2: her to admit that she puts a lot too much

24:18 Speaker 2: pressure on herself and subsequently on John because she puts

24:22 Speaker 2: too much on her plate and then expect him to

24:23 Speaker 2: be like the.

24:24 Speaker 3: Supportive partner through it all.

24:26 Speaker 2: Also, she can feel validated in how hard she's worked

24:30 Speaker 2: and that people see her as a hard worker and

24:32 Speaker 2: not just some whatever the hell, and to take care

24:35 Speaker 2: of like her family. She was pressured to take care

24:38 Speaker 2: of sisters, being any bit of parentified or show them

24:41 Speaker 2: the way in any way can be a lot, and

24:43 Speaker 2: she probably continues to want to do that.

24:45 Speaker 3: And puts a lot of exactly.

24:48 Speaker 2: So again, strong episode for Lisa, definitely heaven, but also

24:52 Speaker 2: true what they said. Heather what's called the deflector who

24:55 Speaker 2: hides you know, her real feelings and like project and

25:00 Speaker 2: other things. And I was always looking for other people

25:03 Speaker 2: to admit their feelings and admit what they're doing. That

25:06 Speaker 2: was definitely demonstrated even after the play, because it felt

25:09 Speaker 2: like Heather and the girlies we're trying to bully Meredith

25:12 Speaker 2: and Lisa into opening up and being friends. Either sit

25:15 Speaker 2: down and talk to us, or get the fuck it,

25:17 Speaker 2: never be our friend again. It's like, I don't like

25:19 Speaker 2: those changes. I don't like my choices. Why aren't you

25:21 Speaker 2: talking to me like I don't use that tone? Don't

25:23 Speaker 2: use that tone.

25:24 Speaker 4: I mean I agree that Heather can hide behind the humor,

25:28 Speaker 4: can hide behind the Yeah. And there was that slight

25:34 Speaker 4: quick flashback scene to I think it was the band

25:36 Speaker 4: the night before and Lisa was like, Heather, who you dating?

25:39 Speaker 4: When the last date you went on? And like she

25:42 Speaker 4: didn't really answer. She's being kind of evasive, and it's

25:44 Speaker 4: just so interesting that, like she presses everybody else and

25:47 Speaker 4: if you really think about it, yeah, we hear a

25:49 Speaker 4: lot about like the Mormon stuff, and she's becoming an

25:52 Speaker 4: empty nester, but like we don't get actual details like

25:55 Speaker 4: this season hurt and listen. I think the personal storyline

25:57 Speaker 4: the season was kind of non existent for a lot

25:59 Speaker 4: of them. But like Heather, her personal scenes were getting

26:03 Speaker 4: a wayfair sponsored office, moving the mattress out of her house,

26:07 Speaker 4: and I don't know what else, like you know, So

26:10 Speaker 4: it's me and and and we didn't see a lot

26:13 Speaker 4: of their personal story this year, like Meredith had done

26:15 Speaker 4: as well. But I agree with the assessment, you.

26:20 Speaker 3: Know what I'm saying.

26:21 Speaker 2: Heather wants to plump everyone else for information and produce

26:25 Speaker 2: their moments, but not enough of hers. It is given

26:27 Speaker 2: the gazelle of the group, She's not funny enough to me,

26:30 Speaker 2: Gazelle funny heaven not as whimsical, and I need her

26:33 Speaker 2: to add a little whimsy if she's all she's gonna

26:35 Speaker 2: do is potsta, you know what I'm saying.

26:37 Speaker 4: And I also think that Heather has been trying to

26:40 Speaker 4: do this, like every dinner, every group.

26:44 Speaker 1: Scene, she.

26:46 Speaker 4: Refuses. She even refuses to have one on one sit

26:48 Speaker 4: down with Marath and so.

26:49 Speaker 3: It's like even with Lisa, same thing.

26:52 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, And it's like I I think, just if

26:55 Speaker 4: you compare it to Giselle. I think Giselle is a

26:57 Speaker 4: little bit more savvy with it.

27:00 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, will sit down one on one with you

27:02 Speaker 2: and yeah.

27:03 Speaker 4: And also she doesn't she doesn't do it in every

27:06 Speaker 4: It's it's becoming I just my issue. At the back

27:08 Speaker 4: half of the season. It just became like this cycle

27:11 Speaker 4: of like, you know, bring things up in the group

27:14 Speaker 4: to try to corner Mary. She doesn't admit it all right,

27:17 Speaker 4: next time we.

27:17 Speaker 1: Got all together again. It's just like it was this

27:20 Speaker 1: whole thing.

27:20 Speaker 4: And I don't know. I think up until up until

27:24 Speaker 4: this season, I really felt like how there was like

27:25 Speaker 4: a pretty pro housewife, and she is, but like she

27:29 Speaker 4: lost I think she's kind of losing sight of things

27:31 Speaker 4: a little bit.

27:32 Speaker 2: Yeah told me, I think you gotta let some things

27:36 Speaker 2: breathe if you're gonna be a good story. You know,

27:39 Speaker 2: n do it so well back in the day. I

27:40 Speaker 2: don't think so much of these last season, but definitely

27:43 Speaker 2: back in the day she.

27:43 Speaker 3: Really could do it. You gotta let some of them breathe.

27:45 Speaker 2: Though, when you shake it up, you gotta let it breathe,

27:48 Speaker 2: let the bubble set and let it play out. She's

27:51 Speaker 2: always like, it's not gonna it's not that it's never

27:53 Speaker 2: gonna come up again. It's absolutely going to come up again.

27:56 Speaker 2: It doesn't always have to be you that brings it up,

27:59 Speaker 2: because if you just wait and Heather turns to her sister,

28:03 Speaker 2: Bronwyn missed no face, which I also think is very true.

28:07 Speaker 2: I'm like, you got somebody right there who will make

28:10 Speaker 2: sure that Meredith gets back and her come up. It's

28:12 Speaker 2: because she mad at her right now, just wait for

28:15 Speaker 2: that Mary did. Mary's like, oh, she already got the

28:17 Speaker 2: battery in her bag. We're just gonna have a march

28:19 Speaker 2: behind Broadway Marrown. She's like, yeah, Ia, say you did good,

28:22 Speaker 2: you did real good. Like Bronwin has I thought that

28:27 Speaker 2: being not too faced but no face was such a read.

28:30 Speaker 4: I would like it.

28:33 Speaker 2: Girls shape shift like you are in any group that

28:38 Speaker 2: will have you like there is no loyalty. But then

28:43 Speaker 2: she kind of admits to it, and it's like, I've

28:46 Speaker 2: never seen loyalty, and that's probably why I'm acting like

28:49 Speaker 2: I really wanted.

28:50 Speaker 3: I don't want someone to be disloyal to me.

28:52 Speaker 2: It's really upsetting, very insensitive, which make or I'm very sensitive,

28:56 Speaker 2: which makes sense as to why she's so mad that

28:58 Speaker 2: Meredith was like, say that she's flying. She's like, I've

29:00 Speaker 2: been such a good friend to you. I'm like, eh,

29:03 Speaker 2: you've been fine, but like.

29:05 Speaker 4: She's been fine.

29:05 Speaker 1: I don't really know what their friendship was.

29:09 Speaker 4: I kind of I do view them as two people

29:11 Speaker 4: who could be who could have been like good friends,

29:14 Speaker 4: like I see the potential there, but alliance but I

29:17 Speaker 4: didn't know and Justin, but they didn't really have anything substantial,

29:20 Speaker 4: So I don't really know what she's no.

29:22 Speaker 2: They just didn't like Brittany and they just threw the

29:25 Speaker 2: pony or the bear, right, and that was their biggest

29:28 Speaker 2: bonding moment that she's talking about, that she's been a

29:30 Speaker 2: good fucking friend die.

29:31 Speaker 4: Right, right, I mean that was her idea, Yeah, yeah,

29:35 Speaker 4: And that was her idea.

29:36 Speaker 2: She brought it to Merredith because you know, Meredith can't

29:37 Speaker 2: stand Brittany either, and Meredith and Brittany.

29:39 Speaker 3: Just got into it.

29:40 Speaker 2: So Bronin's an opportunist to me, and that's why I

29:44 Speaker 2: was calling her no face is kind of crazy because

29:46 Speaker 2: you really can just dry race board and draw whatever

29:48 Speaker 2: you want, and she's like, her loyalty and her friendship

29:51 Speaker 2: is up for sale and up for grabs right now.

29:53 Speaker 2: If you give her a little bit, she'll pump someone

29:56 Speaker 2: for info or you know, expose an affair in the

29:59 Speaker 2: middle of the thing.

30:01 Speaker 3: Don't worry.

30:01 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I think she's kind of a because

30:04 Speaker 4: she hasn't had a group of girlfriends. I think she's

30:06 Speaker 4: kind of like a pleaser because she wants that, but

30:08 Speaker 4: she wants to please every She wants to please everybody,

30:10 Speaker 4: and when you try to do that, you're inevitably going

30:13 Speaker 4: to piss somebody off and be disloyal with somebody, and

30:16 Speaker 4: it creates this content cycle. And so I I guess

30:21 Speaker 4: I was gonna say, I'm curious where she lands, but

30:22 Speaker 4: I kind of figure she'll land with like the Heather

30:25 Speaker 4: Whitney Angie's side of things for now. Yeah, because we

30:28 Speaker 4: know that Braun, Whin and Merath do not have a

30:30 Speaker 4: good reunion and they don't end well. That someone said

30:34 Speaker 4: something somewhere about that, so and we know that her

30:37 Speaker 4: and Lisa don't don't worry well, So I think.

30:41 Speaker 1: That that's her yeah.

30:42 Speaker 2: Off and you know, get her side so that she

30:44 Speaker 2: can remain on the show longer, because they'll probably stay

30:47 Speaker 2: with you know, the bigger group than the littler group.

30:50 Speaker 2: What did you think about Angie being so she has

30:52 Speaker 2: the dagger a tongue.

30:53 Speaker 1: I think that's true.

30:54 Speaker 3: It's definitely true.

30:55 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I love Angie, but I think that she

30:59 Speaker 4: but I think that she goes lower than most of

31:03 Speaker 4: the people in the cast, actually low key, like when

31:05 Speaker 4: she's in the heat of the moment, like she will

31:07 Speaker 4: say something really really cutting. I think, yeah, and that

31:11 Speaker 4: that shows like she's a she's adept at it like

31:14 Speaker 4: that that's actually a skill to have that and she's

31:16 Speaker 4: pretty quick. But I think that like she could benefit

31:20 Speaker 4: by uh from sharp from a softening some of those blades.

31:24 Speaker 4: I think yeah, because like for like for just for example,

31:27 Speaker 4: and this is a two sided thing. I think both

31:28 Speaker 4: these women could could benefit from changing their fighting style.

31:32 Speaker 4: But her and Lisa both go low at each other,

31:35 Speaker 4: and I think if they could, like if they could

31:38 Speaker 4: like not go as low, not be as cutting, right,

31:42 Speaker 4: because we saw like there, I believe there is love

31:45 Speaker 4: between them, that is a genuine friendship that existed, but

31:48 Speaker 4: they're competing too much. And I think that like if

31:50 Speaker 4: it became not as low, it could it could turn

31:53 Speaker 4: back into funny and then they could become like a

31:56 Speaker 4: really good frenemy duo instead of just like enemies who fight,

32:00 Speaker 4: you know, try to say like I think they could

32:03 Speaker 4: make it. I don't know. I think she could benefit

32:06 Speaker 4: from softening those edges just a little bit, and absolutely

32:08 Speaker 4: because it would go from it would go from like

32:11 Speaker 4: pure anger to kind of more funny to watch.

32:14 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, she's always engaging, always and I'm like, Angie,

32:19 Speaker 2: you she's a hoop to me. I like her brittany

32:23 Speaker 2: with childish noise, also so true. And they basically call

32:27 Speaker 2: her a pick me and really fancy Greek tragic words

32:31 Speaker 2: like you, yeah, you don't for the attention of men,

32:35 Speaker 2: various men's more than anyone else, like she hauld pick me.

32:38 Speaker 2: She's like, she will push her own twenty one year

32:40 Speaker 2: old daughter if she got one out of the way,

32:43 Speaker 2: if a cute boys at the bar, and he could

32:45 Speaker 2: be either her boyfriend or her boyfriend, and she's like.

32:47 Speaker 3: It's gonna be me. It's gotta be me, It's gotta

32:50 Speaker 3: be me.

32:51 Speaker 2: She gives too much of a fuck about a man,

32:54 Speaker 2: any man, a man like to the point of her

32:57 Speaker 2: daughters are like, are you comfortable with the relationship we

32:59 Speaker 2: have because we have none? Did you know that and

33:02 Speaker 2: it's because all you care about is these men even still,

33:05 Speaker 2: and then she's talking about some one mother's day.

33:07 Speaker 3: I don't speak.

33:08 Speaker 2: I didn't speak to my kids for seven years. Maybe

33:10 Speaker 2: that was their choice, because you suck, that's it. That's

33:13 Speaker 2: because they felt abandoned by their mommy for a man

33:17 Speaker 2: that they don't even You don't even want them to

33:19 Speaker 2: have a daddy, per se. You just want a husband,

33:22 Speaker 2: You want to be married, like you just want to

33:24 Speaker 2: be with a man. So then what are they supposed

33:26 Speaker 2: to do? They're gonna talk to somebody else.

33:29 Speaker 3: Yes, it's hard there that that brain.

33:32 Speaker 4: It's hard there, and it's hard there. And I really

33:35 Speaker 4: don't understand.

33:36 Speaker 3: Love missile tones.

33:38 Speaker 4: Great people love missile tones, more successful than anybody on

33:43 Speaker 4: this cast.

33:43 Speaker 3: Wow.

33:45 Speaker 4: I don't understand though, people who want her to be

33:48 Speaker 4: full time and stuff.

33:49 Speaker 5: Who whoa whoa y' no no, yeah, I already don't

33:55 Speaker 5: fully like buy what she's selling, and so that would

33:58 Speaker 5: be empower that and it would be way too much

34:02 Speaker 5: screen time, way too much auction in the room.

34:04 Speaker 4: I think she's a funny sometimes, sort of like sprinkle

34:08 Speaker 4: on top of everything, you know, But I'm good on

34:11 Speaker 4: her having a snowflake.

34:12 Speaker 3: Yeah, me, absolutely too.

34:14 Speaker 2: How did you feel about Mary being basically holier than that?

34:18 Speaker 2: Which is very true. They're like she's so blunt. Her

34:21 Speaker 2: biggest thing was like she's just like too blunt. That

34:24 Speaker 2: went one in one ear and out the other, because

34:26 Speaker 2: right after that she got even more blunt instant paint stuff.

34:29 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I mean I think she views that as

34:32 Speaker 4: like being the whole place being incorrect.

34:34 Speaker 1: You know.

34:34 Speaker 4: She was like girl, what Yeah, I mean, And it's like,

34:38 Speaker 4: I love Mary so much, but I do I kind

34:43 Speaker 4: of feel like she's talking out of both sides of

34:45 Speaker 4: her mouth in the past couple episodes where it's like,

34:47 Speaker 4: I do believe she is genuinely concerned about Meredith and

34:51 Speaker 4: has genuine care for her, but at the same time,

34:53 Speaker 4: she's like encouraging Braun whin like she I don't think

34:56 Speaker 4: she's necessarily I think she's concerned about Meredith, but I

34:58 Speaker 4: don't think she's necessarily being good friend to her. Yes,

35:01 Speaker 4: and I think that, and I think that both those

35:02 Speaker 4: things can be true, and there's like a distinction in there.

35:06 Speaker 4: But yeah, I like I wish that she would have

35:09 Speaker 4: actually supported Meredith more versus like we're worried about you,

35:13 Speaker 4: what's wrong? Like it just didn't I don't know. I

35:16 Speaker 4: like that she took it there because nobody else would,

35:19 Speaker 4: because obviously that that's what they wanted to happen.

35:21 Speaker 1: But I don't know.

35:23 Speaker 4: I I'm having a hard time figuring out, like what

35:27 Speaker 4: she really thinks about her friendship with Meredith.

35:29 Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, yeah, I think that, you know, Mary

35:32 Speaker 2: thinks she's doing the thing.

35:35 Speaker 3: I wonder how much of this also is.

35:36 Speaker 2: Mary being frustrated because of what she's going through also

35:41 Speaker 2: with her son.

35:42 Speaker 1: Yeah home, you're right.

35:43 Speaker 2: Whitney kind of made that point when she was talking

35:46 Speaker 2: about how like the reason she called her those accusations

35:49 Speaker 2: were because of X, Y and Z. But Mary has

35:52 Speaker 2: eluded for the last few episodes when she's been sitting

35:54 Speaker 2: down with other people worrying about the alcohol and the

35:57 Speaker 2: things like that, she sounds panic from that same place,

36:01 Speaker 2: like she sound like she's been coming from that same

36:03 Speaker 2: place and projecting this on the Meredith. I don't know

36:06 Speaker 2: if Meredith is you know, slurs or not.

36:08 Speaker 3: I'm not there.

36:09 Speaker 2: However, I hear that a lot of them talking about

36:12 Speaker 2: the erratic behavior and not necessarily not necessarily talking about

36:16 Speaker 2: any other kind of behavior that like.

36:18 Speaker 3: Screams X wife, yeah at it.

36:22 Speaker 2: They're not talking about like like we've seen what alcoholism

36:27 Speaker 2: could look like on TV. It is in the name

36:30 Speaker 2: of allegedly, like of Sonia Morgan early days, that hell

36:34 Speaker 2: you would describe Sonia Morgan's behavior is more than just

36:38 Speaker 2: loud and.

36:38 Speaker 3: Brash and mean or angry or on edge she was slap.

36:43 Speaker 2: They're not saying she's sloppy or spinning or falling in

36:46 Speaker 2: a bush or peeing in the pool. Like she's not

36:49 Speaker 2: exhibiting any other behavior other than she gets really angry

36:52 Speaker 2: and she switches and she's flipping, and I'm like that

36:55 Speaker 2: just sound like she probably do need.

36:57 Speaker 3: Something some some some something.

36:59 Speaker 4: But also it's like it's like a self perpetuating thing

37:02 Speaker 4: because the reason why she's being so inconsistent is because

37:06 Speaker 4: when she's in a good mood, they're like, what she's

37:08 Speaker 4: sweeping onto the rug, like what how is she? How

37:11 Speaker 4: is she getting such back into a good mood after

37:13 Speaker 4: being down yesterday? And then when she goes down it's

37:16 Speaker 4: a problem. But when she's going down it's in reaction

37:19 Speaker 4: to something like she right, she was she was in

37:22 Speaker 4: a great mood that morning, but then Brown confronted her

37:24 Speaker 4: and she went on that van and she was pissed

37:26 Speaker 4: about it, and that's why she had changed her mood.

37:29 Speaker 4: I feel like her mood swings on the Grease Ship

37:31 Speaker 4: were almost all explainable, right, like them confronting her about things,

37:35 Speaker 4: and so of course she's going to be a little

37:37 Speaker 4: They want to say it's erradic I just think it's

37:39 Speaker 4: sort of inconsistent and reactionary. And yeah, Meredith does shut

37:43 Speaker 4: down and disengage as part of her brand, you know,

37:45 Speaker 4: But like I also don't think. I just don't think

37:49 Speaker 4: that how Meredith has been acting is like that much

37:52 Speaker 4: different than what we've seen from over the past six years.

37:54 Speaker 4: And I like, yeah, there's there's the plain incident that

37:57 Speaker 4: we will never know exactly what happened there, But like

38:00 Speaker 4: otherwise from what we have seen, I don't think it's

38:04 Speaker 4: that different from what we've seen.

38:05 Speaker 3: In the I don't either.

38:06 Speaker 2: I mean I've seen some drunk housewives, like you don't

38:09 Speaker 2: get to where we've gotten to in our Housewives Journey

38:12 Speaker 2: of New York, Jersey, oh C, in Mexico or in

38:15 Speaker 2: on delays, Okay, you don't get to where we've been

38:18 Speaker 2: through and not.

38:19 Speaker 3: Seen some real are you okay?

38:21 Speaker 2: Behavior, like a mean, hello, naked wasted, like we are like,

38:25 Speaker 2: are you okay?

38:27 Speaker 3: But y'all are not describing that.

38:28 Speaker 2: You're talking about her yelling at Brittany and Whitney about

38:32 Speaker 2: a TikTok and things like that, which.

38:34 Speaker 3: We'll never know, so we can't really back you up

38:36 Speaker 3: on this.

38:37 Speaker 2: So it really does just feel like a bunch of

38:40 Speaker 2: ladies trying to bully someone into admitting something that either

38:42 Speaker 2: she's never going to admit to or that isn't true

38:45 Speaker 2: or isn't gonna happen but she doesn't want to talk about,

38:48 Speaker 2: in which case like writing her off because it's like, oh,

38:51 Speaker 2: and to say that she's acting paranoid is like kind

38:54 Speaker 2: of that is gaslighting. So for them to say that

38:57 Speaker 2: Meredith is gaslighting bronwin. But I also say you're acting

39:01 Speaker 2: paranoid and strange, Yeah, because y'all are having lunch and

39:04 Speaker 2: talking about.

39:05 Speaker 4: Me exactly, Like it's like they're they're giving her a

39:07 Speaker 4: reason to be paranoid if she's being paranoid, Like she's

39:09 Speaker 4: being paranoid because they keep telling her what you talked about, Yeah, exactly.

39:13 Speaker 4: She doesn't know she and she knows that every time

39:15 Speaker 4: she's walked into a group scene this this trip, she's

39:18 Speaker 4: been the target of the conversation and there's nothing she

39:22 Speaker 4: can really do about it. And so I would be

39:24 Speaker 4: fucking over it and paranoid too. I would be like,

39:27 Speaker 4: I'd be so annoyed, and I just I don't know.

39:30 Speaker 4: And I'm also just like at a certain point too,

39:33 Speaker 4: like move on, Like I just can't believe how many

39:37 Speaker 4: times they have tried, you know, in the words of

39:39 Speaker 4: Sutton Strack, let the mouse go, you know what I mean,

39:42 Speaker 4: Like like it's been the whole post below deck part

39:47 Speaker 4: of the season that we're doing this, and it's like

39:51 Speaker 4: and the and they are usually such pros at moving on.

39:54 Speaker 4: And one of the I think one of the reasons

39:56 Speaker 4: why the finale gave me a little bit of pause

39:58 Speaker 4: was just like maybe they aren't like that anymore. Maybe

40:00 Speaker 4: it's too deep now, maybe they can't move on as

40:02 Speaker 4: quickly as they used to be able to. Yes, you know,

40:04 Speaker 4: and I think this is deep. These as really deep.

40:08 Speaker 2: And I do think that Mary is very concerned for

40:11 Speaker 2: Meredith from a genuine place. I do not think she

40:14 Speaker 2: is being a good friend because I don't think she

40:16 Speaker 2: can know the difference or can be right now because

40:18 Speaker 2: of how she feels about our son. However, I also

40:21 Speaker 2: think that the ladies have perpetuated this type of narrative

40:25 Speaker 2: for too long that Mary is now like on.

40:29 Speaker 3: The board of thinking that that is really the truth,

40:31 Speaker 3: that if she is.

40:32 Speaker 2: On drugs and alcohol and overwhelmed and all this stuff,

40:34 Speaker 2: we gotta save her and do something, because like to

40:37 Speaker 2: let Mary speak the entire time pretty much and give

40:40 Speaker 2: out all the reasons like why it was out of

40:42 Speaker 2: frustration I heard in her voice being like, why are.

40:46 Speaker 3: Y'all not saying it? We were just saying it.

40:48 Speaker 2: I thought y'all cared, we care, right, we're concerned about her. No, Mary,

40:52 Speaker 2: maybe you are, but these ladies are not necessarily concerned

40:55 Speaker 2: about her. They want her to bring what was unfilmed

41:00 Speaker 2: on the plane to the screen so they can be

41:05 Speaker 2: and and so on and so forth.

41:08 Speaker 4: You yeah, you just made me think about something. And

41:10 Speaker 4: because you had said, you know, Bromwin wanted to wait

41:12 Speaker 4: to reveal the seth thing, And Mary is like super frustrated,

41:16 Speaker 4: like why aren't we saying it? Why aren't we saying it? Yes,

41:18 Speaker 4: I think it gives premeditated like it like, you know,

41:23 Speaker 4: the whole It just it felt like this big plan.

41:25 Speaker 4: You know, like Mary is frustrated because they won't say it,

41:28 Speaker 4: But it kind of feels like she's frustrated because they

41:30 Speaker 4: won't say it because they had like almost agreed to

41:33 Speaker 4: bring it up Meredith, and then nobody else would do it,

41:36 Speaker 4: like when Bronwyn didn't. Bronwyn didn't honestly do the tash.

41:40 Speaker 4: She was probably assigned, which was tell Meredith the seth

41:43 Speaker 4: story that you saw, Yeah, I have no problem, right,

41:47 Speaker 4: but I think yeah, so I think that, Yeah, Mary's

41:49 Speaker 4: frustrated that they didn't say it, and I think that

41:51 Speaker 4: it It kind of feels like they had sort of

41:53 Speaker 4: from the beginning of the trip planned to bring this

41:55 Speaker 4: up at the very end after this big show, and

41:58 Speaker 4: it was gonna be this big intervention and Meredith is

42:01 Speaker 4: going to be read by the Salt sister's laughs because

42:03 Speaker 4: it's all about her, and it just it felt too

42:06 Speaker 4: calculated and to like, let's have this final big moment,

42:11 Speaker 4: and it just didn't. It didn't deliver whatever they wanted

42:13 Speaker 4: it to be didn't deliver. And when it was going

42:16 Speaker 4: in that other direction that more emotional direction about sort

42:18 Speaker 4: of the group. Yeah, they didn't let it go.

42:20 Speaker 1: They didn't let it go.

42:21 Speaker 3: There, No, And I think that was their biggest fuck up.

42:23 Speaker 2: And that's how you know, because Lisa definitely was like,

42:26 Speaker 2: oh well, we're all talking and admitting and opening up

42:29 Speaker 2: and stuff. You know, she wasn't in on whatever the

42:31 Speaker 2: plane was, which is also why she got up and

42:33 Speaker 2: moved over to Meredith and was like, oh no, this

42:35 Speaker 2: is fucked up, Like this is crazy, Like no one

42:40 Speaker 2: told me we were gonna do this or whatever, like

42:43 Speaker 2: this is very different than just what happened on the plane,

42:45 Speaker 2: and you need to take accountability and apologize. You're trying

42:48 Speaker 2: to destroy this woman's life because the things are not related.

42:51 Speaker 2: Is she a pill popping alcoholic or is her husband

42:55 Speaker 2: cheating on her? Or is she rooted an abusive verbally

42:58 Speaker 2: to Brittany and picking on Brittany all the time, in

43:01 Speaker 2: which case, if those other things are true, where her

43:03 Speaker 2: husband is cheating on her and she's abusing pills and

43:06 Speaker 2: alcohol because she's miserable one has a hard life, it

43:09 Speaker 2: sounds like she might be a little rude. So it's

43:12 Speaker 2: just like it can't be both. You're saying, you're acting

43:14 Speaker 2: to a ratic and so but so you're so a

43:17 Speaker 2: ragged that everything must be uh, you must be on

43:20 Speaker 2: drugs and alcohol.

43:21 Speaker 3: But also your husband is likely cheating on you.

43:23 Speaker 2: You know, we know that, and so like, yeah, I'd

43:26 Speaker 2: probably be yelling at you want a plane too, Because.

43:28 Speaker 1: It's also like what do you want? What do you

43:29 Speaker 1: want her to admit? What do you like?

43:31 Speaker 4: What do you do you want? Do you want her

43:32 Speaker 4: to be like, okay, check injuryhab like I have it?

43:35 Speaker 4: Like or do you want to be like, oh, yeah,

43:36 Speaker 4: my husband's having eight affairs?

43:38 Speaker 3: Which way do you want?

43:39 Speaker 4: What they do?

43:40 Speaker 3: They want a bad marriage or you have to admit

43:42 Speaker 3: to being good driver you're out?

43:44 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like that.

43:44 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's yeah, it was if you think about it

43:46 Speaker 4: that way, it's actually crazy like they wanted her to.

43:51 Speaker 2: I just told you at the end in a confessional

43:54 Speaker 2: where I was like where Bron was like, oh you

43:56 Speaker 2: done gone dark, Like she got in with the Good

43:58 Speaker 2: Girls to do this and now she feels like she's

44:01 Speaker 2: in it and she went full mean girl. She would

44:03 Speaker 2: she would she turned into Katie Herron. Right at the

44:05 Speaker 2: end of the Mean Girls movie, she was in the

44:07 Speaker 2: bad space where she's in her confessional and that long

44:10 Speaker 2: hair mm hm them utah waives. She's like, either sit

44:14 Speaker 2: down and have this conversation with us, or get the

44:16 Speaker 2: fuck out. I'm like, you're basically you're saying, either sit

44:20 Speaker 2: down and take it and admit that you're going through

44:24 Speaker 2: this and acting erratically and you're us and cheating, or

44:27 Speaker 2: we're not gonna talk to you and you can't be here.

44:29 Speaker 3: That is crazy.

44:30 Speaker 2: Hey, gonna bully me into trusting you with my deep

44:33 Speaker 2: dark secret to my family shit when you clearly don't care.

44:37 Speaker 2: It is only about getting the moment on the TV show.

44:40 Speaker 2: And it's like, if you're not here to help us,

44:42 Speaker 2: to sacrifice yourself for the finale of this season, because

44:44 Speaker 2: we've already decided it's gonna be you. We took a

44:46 Speaker 2: phote get out and so she's like, I'm gonna get out,

44:49 Speaker 2: but they won't.

44:50 Speaker 4: Let her go and they're like lea, my fucking uber okay.

44:57 Speaker 1: And her for not just like I don't.

44:59 Speaker 3: I just didn't understand that she was proud of Meredith

45:01 Speaker 3: because she disengaged. She left. That bitch came back and

45:04 Speaker 3: she said, so what is the goal?

45:05 Speaker 4: And that's the thing that she disengages, then they try

45:08 Speaker 4: to drag her back. You know, it's like they tried

45:11 Speaker 4: two times to drag her back to that well.

45:14 Speaker 3: The first they were out there, she was like, okay, yeah,

45:16 Speaker 3: I'm here. What do you want to say? Since everyone's

45:19 Speaker 3: saying that they can't tell me? What's the goal?

45:21 Speaker 1: Right when she walked out, she was like, I have

45:24 Speaker 1: one question. What is the What is the goal?

45:29 Speaker 3: Are concerned? That's not a goal?

45:30 Speaker 2: Is the goal that you're concerned and get her into rehab?

45:33 Speaker 2: Or is the goal to tell people that her husband

45:36 Speaker 2: was having dinner in New York with somebody and you

45:38 Speaker 2: know nothing and.

45:41 Speaker 3: Having an affairs. Gas like me, yeah, I can't.

45:48 Speaker 2: It's so funny because Meredith Brown was so upset that

45:52 Speaker 2: Meredith Gas looked the hell out of her like, I

45:54 Speaker 2: didn't say that, but then to say that I am

45:57 Speaker 2: not to say who Seth did or did not have

46:00 Speaker 2: dinner with, that's alluding to it. No, I did not allude.

46:03 Speaker 2: I just said we saw that the New York. I

46:04 Speaker 2: didn't not say anything else. I said I don't know

46:07 Speaker 2: who Seth was having dinner with.

46:09 Speaker 4: So Merredith's gonna watch Marredi's gonna see the lunch, she

46:12 Speaker 4: in't baby, you know, just lisaan to own it.

46:17 Speaker 3: No, no, for real, you may as well.

46:19 Speaker 2: And Mary was frustrated, like I thought we were owning it.

46:22 Speaker 2: Don't we all feel this way? No, Mary, they're gonna

46:24 Speaker 2: let anybody else. It was just their silence was so

46:27 Speaker 2: loud to me, So it just felt like Bronwin came

46:29 Speaker 2: with an agenda and Mary was like, how am I

46:32 Speaker 2: the only one?

46:33 Speaker 3: But not?

46:33 Speaker 4: But then weren't you? But then weren't you? Confused by

46:35 Speaker 4: Mary at the end, like three times she was like,

46:38 Speaker 4: you've been a good friend to her, You've been loyal

46:39 Speaker 4: to her, blah blah blah. I was like, I was

46:40 Speaker 4: a little bit confused by that. She did get a

46:42 Speaker 4: veiled shot in where she was like, you're loyal, You've

46:45 Speaker 4: been loyal to Todd.

46:48 Speaker 3: That was good, that was good, that was amazing.

46:50 Speaker 4: But I was confused why she was backing up Bronwin

46:52 Speaker 4: so much like on the side, I was kind of confused.

46:55 Speaker 2: I feel like I thought it was because they took

46:57 Speaker 2: more to your point that there was some kind of

47:00 Speaker 2: conversation about how this was going to go down, and

47:03 Speaker 2: I think she was like telling her, this doesn't look

47:06 Speaker 2: bad for you.

47:07 Speaker 3: This looks like you were a consumer and who did

47:09 Speaker 3: the right sick.

47:10 Speaker 2: Okay, you did do the right thing by waiting and

47:13 Speaker 2: saying it on camera here in front of everyone, instead

47:16 Speaker 2: of on camera with just us behind her back, which

47:20 Speaker 2: is like kind of not the point, But I mean,

47:23 Speaker 2: I don't know. I still thought that it was because

47:26 Speaker 2: Meredith and Lisa ended it with such an abrupt division.

47:30 Speaker 2: I usually hate divisions and housewidse franchises. It doesn't work

47:34 Speaker 2: on Jersey, doesn't work on any of the shows. It

47:36 Speaker 2: really is upsetting. But this I thought was just very

47:41 Speaker 2: interesting because to me, wherever you fall, there's a clear

47:45 Speaker 2: you feel, there's a clear white and wrong on how

47:48 Speaker 2: this particular scene was handled and what happened here. So

47:52 Speaker 2: I ask you to Clones Gibson, where do you fall

47:56 Speaker 2: on the line of the sad?

47:57 Speaker 3: Are you like?

47:57 Speaker 2: Oh? No, Meredith and Lisa like this was actually as

48:00 Speaker 2: bad as it looks. I cannot believe that this is

48:03 Speaker 2: how y'all decided to spend my finale moments or on

48:06 Speaker 2: the inther side of them, of like, you need to

48:08 Speaker 2: come and have a conversation with this, especially if you're

48:10 Speaker 2: so concerned that it's going to come out. It's going

48:13 Speaker 2: to come out, then let's talk about it, and let's

48:15 Speaker 2: talk about it now before we get to the reunion.

48:18 Speaker 3: Where do you fall?

48:19 Speaker 4: I fall on the line of let me get that

48:21 Speaker 4: uber out of there. Okay, yeah, I meant not uber.

48:26 Speaker 4: I meant that uber.

48:27 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, I'm getting the uber.

48:31 Speaker 4: At the end of the day, just felt like a

48:33 Speaker 4: fool's errand whatever they were trying to do was never

48:35 Speaker 4: going to work. And I think it just I think

48:38 Speaker 4: Meredith was set up to fail essentially and unless she

48:40 Speaker 4: admitted to something huge, and she was never going to

48:42 Speaker 4: do that. So yeah, I think that I'm I'm in

48:48 Speaker 4: the uber with Meredith and Lisa after that moment for.

48:50 Speaker 3: Sure, all right me are you? Are you? I was

48:54 Speaker 3: at the mood. I was at the uber before we okay.

48:59 Speaker 4: Okay, maybe for during the during the bathroom break, yeah, I.

49:03 Speaker 2: Was waiting on that seven minute occurred when when Meredith

49:05 Speaker 2: left the first go round, I was gone.

49:07 Speaker 3: I was like, oh, because I.

49:09 Speaker 1: Feel you're like, I'll meet you outside, yeah, outside.

49:12 Speaker 2: Because it felt like a set up pretty early on

49:15 Speaker 2: when they wouldn't let it go, and I'm just like,

49:17 Speaker 2: I don't know why y'all hadn't set her up, because

49:19 Speaker 2: you know, first of all, these ladies are shallow.

49:21 Speaker 3: They will come up.

49:22 Speaker 2: Y'all are not good friends. You will say something to Misspeaks.

49:25 Speaker 2: Just let it flow, talk about the play, how the

49:29 Speaker 2: girlies did. Let us get a couple of jokes out

49:31 Speaker 2: and then see what happens, or let us settle in peace.

49:36 Speaker 3: If we're on the trip, settle the play. Let it

49:39 Speaker 3: be like, damn, that was wild. They roast to all

49:41 Speaker 3: of us have a little gig vulnerability.

49:44 Speaker 1: And then yeah, and then have a group hug at

49:46 Speaker 1: the end.

49:47 Speaker 3: Yeah, and then and then crazy.

49:49 Speaker 4: Then at the reunion you bring up what was on

49:51 Speaker 4: a dress?

49:52 Speaker 3: We produced it. Heather is fired. We can do it better.

49:58 Speaker 2: Don't focus on being a house wife. Honestly, Oh my Goshi,

50:02 Speaker 2: thank you so much.

50:05 Speaker 4: So fun with me?

50:07 Speaker 2: Where can people get more of you? Listen to that

50:09 Speaker 2: fabulous podcast.

50:10 Speaker 4: Of yours, Yes, Gabbing with Gibb Tuesdays and Fridays, sometimes

50:14 Speaker 4: the third one if I whatever, Sometimes I don't know,

50:17 Speaker 4: Gabby with you wherever you listen to this great show,

50:21 Speaker 4: same kind of discussions that we had today, sometimes interviews. Yeah,

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50:27 Speaker 4: you on. I haven't had you on Gabbing with you.

50:31 Speaker 4: We need to and we because I have it this

50:33 Speaker 4: because we didn't talk about Potomac, We'll do We'll do

50:36 Speaker 4: Potomac and something else. I like because there's so many

50:38 Speaker 4: shows on right now. I like to pair them everything. Okay,

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50:45 Speaker 1: We're doing that to you.

50:47 Speaker 3: So y'all go, this is so fun. Thank you so much, y'all.

50:49 Speaker 2: Don't listen to Gibbs, say listen to his show, Gabbing

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51:17 Speaker 1: What was it yesterday?

51:18 Speaker 4: Yes, yesterday it was I posted that Gina from OC

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