213. Gabbing about Greek Tragedies: RHOSLC Finale w/ Gibson Johns (@gabbingwithgib)

0:00 Speaker 1: Sounds Truck.

0:09 Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, Hello, beautiful and wonderful mixologists out there. It is your girl Moni and you're in the mix with Moni. Anna Gibson John's I'm so excited that you're here, the host of Gabbing with Gibb, Welcome back to the show.

0:26 Speaker 3: It's been a minute, but I'm so glad you're here.

0:28 Speaker 4: So happy to be here. A monumental week to be back, first of the year, Salt Lake City Finale, Like, there's a lot going on, but I appreciate you having me back.

0:38 Speaker 2: No, absolutely, I was so excited. I've been like scheduling people out. We have a lot of fun people coming. Happy New Year.

0:43 Speaker 3: Mixologists.

0:44 Speaker 2: Totally forgot that mixes like lo when I say this week, this first week back in January, has been the longest week of my whole human, fucking life.

0:52 Speaker 3: I don't exaggerate.

0:54 Speaker 2: I don't if I'm opening up the first three minutes of the podcast with the like the word, the F word, y'all know what's real?

1:01 Speaker 3: Them kids got me running ragged.

1:02 Speaker 2: I forgot to say, happen to you to everybody I've already it feels like it's been a year in eight days and I'm a teacher and easy, so I don't know what y'all got going on home. Your weeks are going a little bit better than mine, but I can't say, thank God, it's Friday enough, but I really need it.

1:18 Speaker 3: Think everybody got your god Mine.

1:21 Speaker 2: The Macha guys, the Earth, Bravo, Andy, everybody.

1:24 Speaker 4: Couldn't have better myself. Yeah, yeah, we're trying. It's like the New Year. It's like we should it should be taking it easy for us to like, you know, ease into it all.

1:38 Speaker 3: But everybody, like I was going back last night.

1:40 Speaker 4: Last night, I was on my couch and I was like, wait, New Year's Eve was a week ago. I like, that's that's that's impossible.

1:46 Speaker 1: That's impossible.

1:47 Speaker 2: Seriously, it doesn't even feel like I, you know, because I'm a teacher. I got a couple of weeks off and I was so well rested. These were the first days that slept past six o'clock and got more than six hours of sleep. When I tell you, I went to work on Monday, great. By Tuesday, I was like, oh never mind.

2:05 Speaker 3: This fire came right back.

2:07 Speaker 2: We got right back into the exhaustion bag and we felt exactly the same. But the only thing that persisted, honestly, getting me through the week was that TV was.

2:17 Speaker 3: Gonna be bananas this week.

2:18 Speaker 2: It was gonna be bonkers and I was gonna have all my dopamine fixes when I got home. Y'all, I ain't cooked a meal all week unless it was complete dopamine food, like of what I wanted to make. Because I was watching my girlies and I knew you were coming on and I was like, great, we'll talk about Salt Lake City.

2:37 Speaker 3: Well, maybe see if we watch something else or I haven't.

2:40 Speaker 2: Told about Potomac Babies, mixologies y'all know y'all watch Gibson. I know you too, were like, Oh, this is all my mind. Who could I text about? How good that finale was? Was like constantly on my mind while watching. Who do I tell this is news? This is really a lot.

2:58 Speaker 4: Just tell the world, spread the spread the Salt Lake City gospel, not the moment.

3:04 Speaker 3: This is salt You've had a season.

3:06 Speaker 4: The Sisters of Salt.

3:09 Speaker 1: I guess.

3:12 Speaker 2: I can't believe what we experienced and I am so excited to talk about it with you.

3:18 Speaker 3: So let's dive right in. First. I have a lot of questions for you. I have a lot of questions.

3:25 Speaker 2: And it's not because I haven't formulated opinions on my own. It's because it's like, regardless of whether I have or haven't, I really am fascinated to know where people how people viewed this episode and where there's like there's such clear lines quote unquote, but like there's such clear like, oh, you definitely have an opinion or a side about this particular thing, this fight or this fight.

3:51 Speaker 3: Where do you fall?

3:53 Speaker 2: How did you feel about this as a finale of like housewives finales?

3:58 Speaker 3: How does this? How did this one go for you? Like?

4:03 Speaker 4: It's interesting because I watched it twice, so I watched it live and then I watched I watched it the next morning because I because when I watched it live, like you knew it was like epic, but I I the episode ended in quite frankly, I was kind of like, what the fuck did I just watch? You know, because it was like I just really wasn't I wasn't sure where to land. And also like once again they're ending on a cast trip with no resolution, and so it kind of it kind of just like drops off, like we had this huge dramatic divide.

4:33 Speaker 4: There doesn't least start over here. Everyone else is over here, and then the episode just ends, and it's the season just ends, and so it's just like I wasn't sure what to think, but after watching a second time, I liked it a lot more. But I still wish, I mean, we can maybe get to the end, but like, I need them to not end on vacations anymore. I need them to have finale rap parties because it just feels like, I know, they treat the reunion sort of like finales now where they can unpack everything, but I I wanted a little bit more resolution.

5:02 Speaker 4: And even though I don't know, the way I'm landing is that Heather was bugging me at the end of that, I mean, and she was, she already kind of was because I just felt like even if I felt like they were trying to get Meredith to admit to something that she was never going to admit to, whether it happened or not. Yeah, like and I and and and it just felt like we've been going in circles and circles and circles, and the finale was sort of set up to be this sort of like takedown of Meredith or intervention of Meredith or gotcha of Meredith and like it just wasn't gonna work.

5:32 Speaker 4: It didn't work in terms of that, and I just feel like, whether it's like producers driving her to do this or coming from sort of internally Heather, just I feel like she at this point post two years post reality von tees, we're trying to force big moments in at monuent like in the finales and at big cast dinners and stuff that don't feel natural, and I just I didn't. I was. I was struggling with her, particular in those last fifteen minutes of this episode.

6:03 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been struggling with Heather the last fifteen episodes of the season.

6:07 Speaker 4: Yeah, so the whole season, Yeah.

6:10 Speaker 3: The whole season.

6:11 Speaker 2: Practically I've been I've never been quite a Heather fan, but I will say particularly this and that was because of her personality nothing else.

6:19 Speaker 3: I don't like.

6:20 Speaker 2: It very much, but I find her to be a little bit of a pick me Like she will go any way of the direction. She'll either pick on someone like Lisa or Meredith or whatever, but only because they don't like her yet, and when they do, it's different, and she can kind of play this trump card of how she's everybody's friend, but she's also always trying to expose everybody, so and like make everybody fess up to something and cry. But like it's like I'm your friend, and I'm like, just also because you say it doesn't necessarily make it true.

6:50 Speaker 3: Make it true.

6:51 Speaker 2: And that's her argument for far too many things where the only reason that this friend is shutting down or putting a wall up is because you stirred that, like you specifically start the pot.

7:00 Speaker 1: You right, like it was here.

7:02 Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean Lisa said it best at the very end of the episode. She was like, Heather was like, you drew a line in the sand, walk the fuck away, and Heather and Lisa's like, you can't tell me what to do, like you're not the judge jury.

7:13 Speaker 3: And I just was.

7:16 Speaker 4: It frustrated me because I felt like after the Sisters of Salt performance, it felt like, you know, Bronwin in tears being pretty honest and open about things, Lisa tearful moments, you know, was pretty honest about certain things. Her and Angie had a nice moment, Meredith was in tears, kind of being reflective, and then it gets to Heather and she makes it about Meredith again, and I just thought that we were headed in this more like productive direction that I was like, I was mostly buying. Yeah, Meredith was not going to like break down her marriage and the plane incident once again.

7:52 Speaker 4: But like shed, it felt like we were going around the circle having a nice little emotional bonding moment with this with the sisters of Salt, and then Heather just has to take it back to like, uh, it was just so frustrating. I don't know, yeah, it was.

8:07 Speaker 2: It was definitely frustrating. I will say that for a finale, it wasn't as fun. I kind of like the I mean, it was jam packed, had all the things.

8:15 Speaker 3: But I would have loved.

8:17 Speaker 2: An episode before the finale because I actually really liked resolution. And that's not just because one educator and two was an English major. I'd like you to take the climax and then like do something with it, because then that to me, to me for a better reunion. Some of my favorite reunion moments have been where do you stand today? You had a contention season, but you made up at the end of hy I thought we were good. It's my favorite sentence. That's my reunion because it means we're about to get some tea baby right now.

8:47 Speaker 2: We saw you two sit down and squash it, you know, Smia Porsche, those type of things. In the end, we saw some kind of resolution and now y'all sitting on the opposite sides of the couch and Clarence tell me more. I thought we were good, But then I get a tag. I don't want to end with everyone fighting because that means that we're just going to continue fighting at the reunion, and that's gonna see the whole episode like doing that, and almost immediately does that get confirmed to be true because in the trailer of the reunion, which we will talk about at the end.

9:16 Speaker 3: And then I want to back up.

9:17 Speaker 2: A little, but Andy walking off almost told me almost made me disappointed. It didn't necessarily make me get as excited as anything. I'm like, so do they's so bored of being a housewife dad now and watching all these bitches fight, or he's like I can't, like I've had enough and this is too much. And I don't want him to be exasperated because that means I'm going to be exasperated.

9:39 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think that.

9:40 Speaker 3: I'm not getting paid as much as Andy.

9:42 Speaker 4: It's zero none of us are. Oh I think that.

9:46 Speaker 1: Yeah.

9:47 Speaker 4: I mean there was that sleepover slumber party scene that was that was in the mid season trailer several times that looked very sort of bonding positive vibes that was cut from the show. Yeah, and it just made me think about what you just said, which is that, like, I think that one of the biggest calling cards for Salt Lake City is that it's a funny show. Or usually it can't be funny show. And I said this in my podcast, but I was like, this is the real house of the Salt Lake City going to Greece, and that should be like a comedy to me, like that should be hijakes, that should be you know, getting drunk by the pool, and like we saw, we saw so little fun.

10:26 Speaker 4: We saw so little fun, like the even even the even the donkey moment became's talk about Meredith, you know, or and it just it's just like they cut the slumber party scene, they cut the going out scene where it would have been it would have added some levity, some balance. But I think they're I love the show, and I did like the finale. I just end missing, like you, the laughs, and none of it was funny. Last night.

10:53 Speaker 2: Yes, I do think this this season was fantastic. I even thought this episode was wild. My wife watched with me and he was like floored the whole time, like what the hell?

11:02 Speaker 3: But what's fully invested?

11:03 Speaker 2: And she's never that, you know, not on the Housewives, but like it was really they have been like my mainly white Avengers, because I like treat them and I hold them in almost the same regard as I hold Potomac. Like I love Salt Lake City about as much as I love Potomac, and I love Potomac as much as I love Potomac because I also live in the area and can connect with it on a different level, which is really saying something about Salt Lake City because I can't connect with shit over there in Salt Lake City.

11:35 Speaker 2: So for me to love them just as much and hold them in just as high regardless, because they're funny and can't be in quirky, and honestly, I thought we had a big opportunity for that with this quote unquote play performance, if you will, when they sat down and had these interviews, and I think what ends up happening to your point, is that they overproduce and they don't rely on the fact that they're already toxic friends, riends and mean bitious who love hating on each other, but would only want to do this with each other, And so just rely on that because when you try to force it, it went too far.

12:12 Speaker 2: Because y'all all are going to talk shit to Stella the play right, you did not need to go any deeper than that. But also I want to back up to that because when they sat down with Stella, that was I liked that that was executed better to me than that Spiritual Guide intuitive a couple few episodes ago, when the ladies kept going in and out of the green room, that this was executed actually quite well to me. I thought it was very funny to see how they talked about each other. Lisa to me, gave one hell of a performance this episode, and I really just agree or I get your thoughts on this.

12:53 Speaker 3: First, How do you feel about baby Baby gee? Lisa? Oh?

12:57 Speaker 4: She oh, she's historically okay to tear for ky Okay. Yeah, they can never make me and I really see.

13:07 Speaker 2: Sometimes like I don't understand why anyone would thinks she is good TV because that bitch said, I don't know, just make sure I look great.

13:14 Speaker 4: She said, she said, Oh, I'm just coming up with so many words smart, she's.

13:21 Speaker 1: I'm such a sad what are you? Are you a leo? Now? Are you? Are?

13:25 Speaker 4: You?

13:25 Speaker 3: Get past it?

13:26 Speaker 2: And then she goes she gets three wrong, she goes, she goes, so what are you?

13:32 Speaker 1: Oh?

13:32 Speaker 2: I was gonna say that, But you cannot write her as a character also meaning you don't need to pump her later for anything. You don't need to produce Lisa Heather, she will Lisa all by herself, really do it all by themselves. And so we're here because they start one way, and then we get a twelve hours earlier, and when they get the twelve hours earlier, we find out these ladies contributed to the writing and the composition of this play performance which I thought was bananas to watch. I'm not gonna lie like I was, like, am I high?

14:11 Speaker 2: The answer was yes, but it was not.

14:13 Speaker 3: The point.

14:15 Speaker 1: Was really.

14:18 Speaker 2: Because and y'all who were also shout out to my comments section on all the podcast things. I see y'all send to me the emojis knowing you made it to the puff at the end.

14:26 Speaker 3: That's like, I love y'all.

14:28 Speaker 2: But Meredith and Bronwyn and Mary apparently were up late, post the day of festivities, post the interviews, post Lisa being called one of the eldest of the crew, they are there, Mary goes to bed because Mary, like me, likes to go hit the hay and can't be around the ladies for too long.

14:50 Speaker 3: Understandable.

14:51 Speaker 2: I guess Meredith may or may not have texted. Well, she did text rong when we saw the text and asked her if she was up and if she would come down and talk. Basically brown Wan chooses to go down and talk. Now the discrepancy where like the split stories, lie is, did Meredith as Braun what happened at the lunch kind of like and they keep saying pumping for information? But I don't think she's pumping for him. It doesn't so something that she's pumping for information. It's only she was preparing and trying to be in preparation for the play and the reunion.

15:27 Speaker 2: Essentially, like, what did y'all talk about? I know they filmed that lunch and y'all are we had a good night tonight? Maybe you'll tell me. And that's where we lost Meredith because she said no, she didn't.

15:40 Speaker 3: Whom do you believe I.

15:42 Speaker 4: Mean, I believe Meredith asked about the lunch. I love me some Meredith Marx, but I mean, I think it's pretty obvious she asked about the lunch. And even on the van ride when bron Win's confronting her, she sort of slips because she says, like I made a statement about it or something. She admits at first she shuts down any lunch talk, and then on the van she says, I didn't ask a question about it, made a statement about it, So it's sort of it. It changes a little bit. But yeah, I mean I believe she asked but the lunch, and and I believe that she probably suspected they were talking about her, and which they want.

16:16 Speaker 4: I think, I yeah, which they were, And I think so her suspicions were correct. If I'm Bronwyn, I do understand like kind of this is the kind of a third strike in terms of like I understand why she feels this way. I don't really understand the outside.

16:30 Speaker 1: Reaction to it.

16:31 Speaker 4: Like she's on that roof she is like going off on Meredith and Meredith is giving her nothing, and I think that that's that's probably why she is. I just I don't understand what the big deal is that Meredith wanted to know. And also bro and I actually you have to remember that Browin is the one that bring that brought up the Seth story, and so that's part of the reason why she doesn't want to reveal it to Meredith off camera at two am.

16:54 Speaker 3: Right exactly.

16:55 Speaker 2: And I think that that I just felt a little bit like Bronwyn was. We were in our opportunist bag this episode, and this is it's weird because I don't find my relationship to Broman and be complicated. I think she's calculated every bit as what she loves.

17:10 Speaker 3: I think she's gorgeous.

17:12 Speaker 2: I think she has excellent costumes and outfits.

17:15 Speaker 3: Both some one than others.

17:19 Speaker 2: But I think she also is here to play housewives. I do think that because she has to. This is her bread and butter. She was trying to get on this show so she could leave that man. In my opinion, I believe she didn't. I now believe she came on the show to get divorced. I don't think that was as clear early, but I knew she came on the show for something because I just find her to be so smart, like the way that not in smart and hiding behind her addictions and her fancy words like Meredith. I find Bramwin to be actually quite intelligent.

17:51 Speaker 2: I think like in another world she would have been able to do really well, like in another world as like a serious like analyst or a person that does like real like recom work. She's really smart, but also kind of calculated.

18:06 Speaker 3: A little bit.

18:06 Speaker 2: And I think that she needed to pick a fight with narrative because she also needed before the end of the season to be able to mention Seth and allude to something and it's I've seen something something similar. I would have said, Oh, y'all gonna do the grass right now? Wow, I pay all this money to do this.

18:23 Speaker 3: During the day time.

18:25 Speaker 2: It is four fifty three in the evening hours. I'm so sorry, y'all. And we don't figure it itself out anyways, Indy OSEPHO, I felt.

18:34 Speaker 3: Like this was a moment.

18:35 Speaker 2: This was that same kind of moment to me of when she on the reunion introduced out of nowhere TJ being paid for, Like, is this something that you knew or you wanted to make sure got on the show right now? And so also grow when you told her you're telling people that Meredith asked you, but I don't believe you danced around it, And also why would you.

18:57 Speaker 3: If anything, I'm like, stand on it.

18:59 Speaker 2: I think I would love if she stood on it and was like, yeah, the lunch we did talk about you and it did come up.

19:05 Speaker 3: Yeah.

19:06 Speaker 2: I mean, if you're not gonna tell her then about Seth, which does prove that you're not really her friend, Meredith's friend, because you had an opportunity to tell her and you waited until cameras were about to go down the last six and.

19:17 Speaker 3: A half minutes of filming and.

19:20 Speaker 2: Was like, I did see me and Todd did see Seth, and like, what does that even me? Like, she absolutely was alluding to something. She already said it to somebody else, and if she has to say it to Meredith, so she can say that she said it to our face and not just behind her back. But if the whole gag is that you keep saying things behind Meredith's back and you are talking about her every time she's paranoid, then I'm like, is she paranoid? Because for a second, these ladies almost have me believing that Meredith was spiraling out and like delusional until I realized the most of what they're saying she's paranoid or anxious about happening is happening, Like she is anxious about people bringing up her marriage and anxious about people on camera talking about Seth being out and about or cheating, and they are behind her back and then now in front of her face to be like so just so you know, gonna talk about this at the reunion because we did see we did see Seth and now we're saying it on camera, and that was enough for me to have gotten up.

20:19 Speaker 3: I would have been Lisa.

20:20 Speaker 2: I felt like Lisa in that moment where yes, that's my friend, and yes I've called her out on some things, like because Bronman tried to use that point, even Lisa has said things about you and I wasn't.

20:31 Speaker 3: I never did that, I'm your friend, blah blah blah.

20:34 Speaker 2: But now you're standing in front of everybody as we're about to leave out of here, as you see him in distress that I'm crazy, delusional and my husband is cheating on me or something. I don't know who he was, I don't know who he was having dinner with. It's not the same thing as I didn't see him with anybody and she knows that. I do think that lady is calculated, just with an excellent.

20:53 Speaker 3: Head of hair.

20:57 Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean even Mary, who was like backing and went up, was like, no, she saw somebody and she's insinuating that he was cheating on you. Yes, yeah, yeah, but I but I wish that Brahma could have taken it over the line, but she couldn't. And yeah, I think that Bromwin she brings up the seth thing for multi for a couple of reasons. And I think one of the reasons why she is turning on Meredith in this last day is because I think she does genuinely feels snip away. But I also think that she has recently betrayed Whitney by repeating what she had said to her about Meredith to Meredith, and this is her trying to win that back by being like, no, I don't I'm not with Meredith.

21:36 Speaker 4: I can be with you guys, and I can show you that. I think it was almost like sort of like she was demonstrating something to Heather, Whitney and all them. That's sort of how I read it a little bit. And yeah, I agree, I think Lisa was being an amazing friend at the end there. And I think I think Lisa had a really good last episode end of the season.

21:57 Speaker 1: Yeah, at the beginning, the beginning was a good season for her.

22:00 Speaker 3: I think that's awful.

22:02 Speaker 4: We have some hardships, and I think that I think that's why this season we got a couple less funny moments from her. I think that she kind of low key kind of shut down similarly to Meredith. I think it was kind of a weird season for in bits there because she felt targeted and so yeah, I think that Lisa showed that she was choosing like, no, I'm going to be a good friend of Meredith. You can't tell me that I can't speak up for her. I'm not being her mouthpiece. I'm being a good friend to her by defending her and calling out what you're not admitting to.

22:30 Speaker 4: So I think that Lisa really had a really strong last two episodes in particular, Like I think it's like her calling out Brittany at the SPA, you know about her comparing the stuff with the kids, Like she's being a good friend of Meredith and I and I see people online call an alliance, and I think there's probably elements of that, but I do. I've been with Lisa Meredith in pretty small scenarios and they are friends, and so I think that absolutely they're real friends.

22:57 Speaker 3: I honestly just.

22:57 Speaker 2: Think that, and that's what and it's one of the reasons I loverged makes a good house life. I think that Lisa is shallow and I think that's okay.

23:04 Speaker 4: Well, and as we saw, but what was we saw after the play, It's like she would almost admit that, and she she places so much emphasis on these more shallow things because they reflect what she's accomplished and she sees that as like a badge of honor. And it all makes sense again. The system Stella, the playwright.

23:21 Speaker 2: Spuilt excellent. I actually felt like there were no lies. I want to go through a couple of them with you.

23:26 Speaker 4: To let's go through it.

23:28 Speaker 2: Yeah, Lisa one of the eldest. That was funny to me that Lisa uses her wealth as a shield and like kind of has this elitist attitude, which is quite true. I think she does use it as a shield, and I think she admitted to it. And it actually because Stella wrote this down, it actually gave a door for Lisa to open up, which is all they've been asking her to do. And I think totally herself a lot this season. This was her own personal best and she was like, I do want deep relationships and friendships.

24:00 Speaker 2: I just am a shallow girly because I want people to know how hard I've worked and I've accomplished. And I can't just run you my dossie, and when you see me because also when you see her, you probably wouldn't think all that, So her, she wants people to know that about her, and I thought it was brave of her to admit that she puts a lot too much pressure on herself and subsequently on John because she puts too much on her plate and then expect him to be like the.

24:24 Speaker 3: Supportive partner through it all.

24:26 Speaker 2: Also, she can feel validated in how hard she's worked and that people see her as a hard worker and not just some whatever the hell, and to take care of like her family. She was pressured to take care of sisters, being any bit of parentified or show them the way in any way can be a lot, and she probably continues to want to do that.

24:45 Speaker 3: And puts a lot of exactly.

24:48 Speaker 2: So again, strong episode for Lisa, definitely heaven, but also true what they said. Heather what's called the deflector who hides you know, her real feelings and like project and other things. And I was always looking for other people to admit their feelings and admit what they're doing. That was definitely demonstrated even after the play, because it felt like Heather and the girlies we're trying to bully Meredith and Lisa into opening up and being friends. Either sit down and talk to us, or get the fuck it, never be our friend again.

25:18 Speaker 2: It's like, I don't like those changes. I don't like my choices. Why aren't you talking to me like I don't use that tone? Don't use that tone.

25:24 Speaker 4: I mean I agree that Heather can hide behind the humor, can hide behind the Yeah. And there was that slight quick flashback scene to I think it was the band the night before and Lisa was like, Heather, who you dating? When the last date you went on? And like she didn't really answer. She's being kind of evasive, and it's just so interesting that, like she presses everybody else and if you really think about it, yeah, we hear a lot about like the Mormon stuff, and she's becoming an empty nester, but like we don't get actual details like this season hurt and listen.

25:56 Speaker 4: I think the personal storyline the season was kind of non existent for a lot of them. But like Heather, her personal scenes were getting a wayfair sponsored office, moving the mattress out of her house, and I don't know what else, like you know, So it's me and and and we didn't see a lot of their personal story this year, like Meredith had done as well. But I agree with the assessment, you.

26:20 Speaker 3: Know what I'm saying.

26:21 Speaker 2: Heather wants to plump everyone else for information and produce their moments, but not enough of hers. It is given the gazelle of the group, She's not funny enough to me, Gazelle funny heaven not as whimsical, and I need her to add a little whimsy if she's all she's gonna do is potsta, you know what I'm saying.

26:37 Speaker 4: And I also think that Heather has been trying to do this, like every dinner, every group.

26:44 Speaker 1: Scene, she.

26:46 Speaker 4: Refuses. She even refuses to have one on one sit down with Marath and so.

26:49 Speaker 3: It's like even with Lisa, same thing.

26:52 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, And it's like I I think, just if you compare it to Giselle. I think Giselle is a little bit more savvy with it.

27:00 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, will sit down one on one with you and yeah.

27:03 Speaker 4: And also she doesn't she doesn't do it in every It's it's becoming I just my issue. At the back half of the season. It just became like this cycle of like, you know, bring things up in the group to try to corner Mary. She doesn't admit it all right, next time we.

27:17 Speaker 1: Got all together again. It's just like it was this whole thing.

27:20 Speaker 4: And I don't know. I think up until up until this season, I really felt like how there was like a pretty pro housewife, and she is, but like she lost I think she's kind of losing sight of things a little bit.

27:32 Speaker 2: Yeah told me, I think you gotta let some things breathe if you're gonna be a good story. You know, n do it so well back in the day. I don't think so much of these last season, but definitely back in the day she.

27:43 Speaker 3: Really could do it. You gotta let some of them breathe.

27:45 Speaker 2: Though, when you shake it up, you gotta let it breathe, let the bubble set and let it play out. She's always like, it's not gonna it's not that it's never gonna come up again. It's absolutely going to come up again. It doesn't always have to be you that brings it up, because if you just wait and Heather turns to her sister, Bronwyn missed no face, which I also think is very true. I'm like, you got somebody right there who will make sure that Meredith gets back and her come up. It's because she mad at her right now, just wait for that Mary did.

28:15 Speaker 2: Mary's like, oh, she already got the battery in her bag. We're just gonna have a march behind Broadway Marrown. She's like, yeah, Ia, say you did good, you did real good. Like Bronwin has I thought that being not too faced but no face was such a read.

28:30 Speaker 4: I would like it.

28:33 Speaker 2: Girls shape shift like you are in any group that will have you like there is no loyalty. But then she kind of admits to it, and it's like, I've never seen loyalty, and that's probably why I'm acting like I really wanted.

28:50 Speaker 3: I don't want someone to be disloyal to me.

28:52 Speaker 2: It's really upsetting, very insensitive, which make or I'm very sensitive, which makes sense as to why she's so mad that Meredith was like, say that she's flying. She's like, I've been such a good friend to you. I'm like, eh, you've been fine, but like.

29:05 Speaker 4: She's been fine.

29:05 Speaker 1: I don't really know what their friendship was.

29:09 Speaker 4: I kind of I do view them as two people who could be who could have been like good friends, like I see the potential there, but alliance but I didn't know and Justin, but they didn't really have anything substantial, So I don't really know what she's no.

29:22 Speaker 2: They just didn't like Brittany and they just threw the pony or the bear, right, and that was their biggest bonding moment that she's talking about, that she's been a good fucking friend die.

29:31 Speaker 4: Right, right, I mean that was her idea, Yeah, yeah, And that was her idea.

29:36 Speaker 2: She brought it to Merredith because you know, Meredith can't stand Brittany either, and Meredith and Brittany.

29:39 Speaker 3: Just got into it.

29:40 Speaker 2: So Bronin's an opportunist to me, and that's why I was calling her no face is kind of crazy because you really can just dry race board and draw whatever you want, and she's like, her loyalty and her friendship is up for sale and up for grabs right now. If you give her a little bit, she'll pump someone for info or you know, expose an affair in the middle of the thing.

30:01 Speaker 3: Don't worry.

30:01 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I think she's kind of a because she hasn't had a group of girlfriends. I think she's kind of like a pleaser because she wants that, but she wants to please every She wants to please everybody, and when you try to do that, you're inevitably going to piss somebody off and be disloyal with somebody, and it creates this content cycle. And so I I guess I was gonna say, I'm curious where she lands, but I kind of figure she'll land with like the Heather Whitney Angie's side of things for now.

30:27 Speaker 4: Yeah, because we know that Braun, Whin and Merath do not have a good reunion and they don't end well. That someone said something somewhere about that, so and we know that her and Lisa don't don't worry well, So I think.

30:41 Speaker 1: That that's her yeah.

30:42 Speaker 2: Off and you know, get her side so that she can remain on the show longer, because they'll probably stay with you know, the bigger group than the littler group. What did you think about Angie being so she has the dagger a tongue.

30:53 Speaker 1: I think that's true.

30:54 Speaker 3: It's definitely true.

30:55 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I love Angie, but I think that she but I think that she goes lower than most of the people in the cast, actually low key, like when she's in the heat of the moment, like she will say something really really cutting. I think, yeah, and that that shows like she's a she's adept at it like that that's actually a skill to have that and she's pretty quick. But I think that like she could benefit by uh from sharp from a softening some of those blades. I think yeah, because like for like for just for example, and this is a two sided thing.

31:28 Speaker 4: I think both these women could could benefit from changing their fighting style. But her and Lisa both go low at each other, and I think if they could, like if they could like not go as low, not be as cutting, right, because we saw like there, I believe there is love between them, that is a genuine friendship that existed, but they're competing too much. And I think that like if it became not as low, it could it could turn back into funny and then they could become like a really good frenemy duo instead of just like enemies who fight, you know, try to say like I think they could make it.

32:03 Speaker 4: I don't know. I think she could benefit from softening those edges just a little bit, and absolutely because it would go from it would go from like pure anger to kind of more funny to watch.

32:14 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, she's always engaging, always and I'm like, Angie, you she's a hoop to me. I like her brittany with childish noise, also so true. And they basically call her a pick me and really fancy Greek tragic words like you, yeah, you don't for the attention of men, various men's more than anyone else, like she hauld pick me. She's like, she will push her own twenty one year old daughter if she got one out of the way, if a cute boys at the bar, and he could be either her boyfriend or her boyfriend, and she's like.

32:47 Speaker 3: It's gonna be me. It's gotta be me, It's gotta be me.

32:51 Speaker 2: She gives too much of a fuck about a man, any man, a man like to the point of her daughters are like, are you comfortable with the relationship we have because we have none? Did you know that and it's because all you care about is these men even still, and then she's talking about some one mother's day.

33:07 Speaker 3: I don't speak.

33:08 Speaker 2: I didn't speak to my kids for seven years. Maybe that was their choice, because you suck, that's it. That's because they felt abandoned by their mommy for a man that they don't even You don't even want them to have a daddy, per se. You just want a husband, You want to be married, like you just want to be with a man. So then what are they supposed to do? They're gonna talk to somebody else.

33:29 Speaker 3: Yes, it's hard there that that brain.

33:32 Speaker 4: It's hard there, and it's hard there. And I really don't understand.

33:36 Speaker 3: Love missile tones.

33:38 Speaker 4: Great people love missile tones, more successful than anybody on this cast.

33:43 Speaker 3: Wow.

33:45 Speaker 4: I don't understand though, people who want her to be full time and stuff.

33:49 Speaker 5: Who whoa whoa y' no no, yeah, I already don't fully like buy what she's selling, and so that would be empower that and it would be way too much screen time, way too much auction in the room.

34:04 Speaker 4: I think she's a funny sometimes, sort of like sprinkle on top of everything, you know, But I'm good on her having a snowflake.

34:12 Speaker 3: Yeah, me, absolutely too.

34:14 Speaker 2: How did you feel about Mary being basically holier than that? Which is very true. They're like she's so blunt. Her biggest thing was like she's just like too blunt. That went one in one ear and out the other, because right after that she got even more blunt instant paint stuff.

34:29 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I mean I think she views that as like being the whole place being incorrect.

34:34 Speaker 1: You know.

34:34 Speaker 4: She was like girl, what Yeah, I mean, And it's like, I love Mary so much, but I do I kind of feel like she's talking out of both sides of her mouth in the past couple episodes where it's like, I do believe she is genuinely concerned about Meredith and has genuine care for her, but at the same time, she's like encouraging Braun whin like she I don't think she's necessarily I think she's concerned about Meredith, but I don't think she's necessarily being good friend to her. Yes, and I think that, and I think that both those things can be true, and there's like a distinction in there.

35:06 Speaker 4: But yeah, I like I wish that she would have actually supported Meredith more versus like we're worried about you, what's wrong? Like it just didn't I don't know. I like that she took it there because nobody else would, because obviously that that's what they wanted to happen.

35:21 Speaker 1: But I don't know.

35:23 Speaker 4: I I'm having a hard time figuring out, like what she really thinks about her friendship with Meredith.

35:29 Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, yeah, I think that, you know, Mary thinks she's doing the thing.

35:35 Speaker 3: I wonder how much of this also is.

35:36 Speaker 2: Mary being frustrated because of what she's going through also with her son.

35:42 Speaker 1: Yeah home, you're right.

35:43 Speaker 2: Whitney kind of made that point when she was talking about how like the reason she called her those accusations were because of X, Y and Z. But Mary has eluded for the last few episodes when she's been sitting down with other people worrying about the alcohol and the things like that, she sounds panic from that same place, like she sound like she's been coming from that same place and projecting this on the Meredith. I don't know if Meredith is you know, slurs or not.

36:08 Speaker 3: I'm not there.

36:09 Speaker 2: However, I hear that a lot of them talking about the erratic behavior and not necessarily not necessarily talking about any other kind of behavior that like.

36:18 Speaker 3: Screams X wife, yeah at it.

36:22 Speaker 2: They're not talking about like like we've seen what alcoholism could look like on TV. It is in the name of allegedly, like of Sonia Morgan early days, that hell you would describe Sonia Morgan's behavior is more than just loud and.

36:38 Speaker 3: Brash and mean or angry or on edge she was slap.

36:43 Speaker 2: They're not saying she's sloppy or spinning or falling in a bush or peeing in the pool. Like she's not exhibiting any other behavior other than she gets really angry and she switches and she's flipping, and I'm like that just sound like she probably do need.

36:57 Speaker 3: Something some some some something.

36:59 Speaker 4: But also it's like it's like a self perpetuating thing because the reason why she's being so inconsistent is because when she's in a good mood, they're like, what she's sweeping onto the rug, like what how is she? How is she getting such back into a good mood after being down yesterday? And then when she goes down it's a problem. But when she's going down it's in reaction to something like she right, she was she was in a great mood that morning, but then Brown confronted her and she went on that van and she was pissed about it, and that's why she had changed her mood.

37:29 Speaker 4: I feel like her mood swings on the Grease Ship were almost all explainable, right, like them confronting her about things, and so of course she's going to be a little They want to say it's erradic I just think it's sort of inconsistent and reactionary. And yeah, Meredith does shut down and disengage as part of her brand, you know, But like I also don't think. I just don't think that how Meredith has been acting is like that much different than what we've seen from over the past six years. And I like, yeah, there's there's the plain incident that we will never know exactly what happened there, But like otherwise from what we have seen, I don't think it's that different from what we've seen.

38:05 Speaker 3: In the I don't either.

38:06 Speaker 2: I mean I've seen some drunk housewives, like you don't get to where we've gotten to in our Housewives Journey of New York, Jersey, oh C, in Mexico or in on delays, Okay, you don't get to where we've been through and not.

38:19 Speaker 3: Seen some real are you okay?

38:21 Speaker 2: Behavior, like a mean, hello, naked wasted, like we are like, are you okay?

38:27 Speaker 3: But y'all are not describing that.

38:28 Speaker 2: You're talking about her yelling at Brittany and Whitney about a TikTok and things like that, which.

38:34 Speaker 3: We'll never know, so we can't really back you up on this.

38:37 Speaker 2: So it really does just feel like a bunch of ladies trying to bully someone into admitting something that either she's never going to admit to or that isn't true or isn't gonna happen but she doesn't want to talk about, in which case like writing her off because it's like, oh, and to say that she's acting paranoid is like kind of that is gaslighting. So for them to say that Meredith is gaslighting bronwin. But I also say you're acting paranoid and strange, Yeah, because y'all are having lunch and talking about.

39:05 Speaker 4: Me exactly, Like it's like they're they're giving her a reason to be paranoid if she's being paranoid, Like she's being paranoid because they keep telling her what you talked about, Yeah, exactly. She doesn't know she and she knows that every time she's walked into a group scene this this trip, she's been the target of the conversation and there's nothing she can really do about it. And so I would be fucking over it and paranoid too. I would be like, I'd be so annoyed, and I just I don't know. And I'm also just like at a certain point too, like move on, Like I just can't believe how many times they have tried, you know, in the words of Sutton Strack, let the mouse go, you know what I mean, Like like it's been the whole post below deck part of the season that we're doing this, and it's like and the and they are usually such pros at moving on.

39:54 Speaker 4: And one of the I think one of the reasons why the finale gave me a little bit of pause was just like maybe they aren't like that anymore. Maybe it's too deep now, maybe they can't move on as quickly as they used to be able to. Yes, you know, and I think this is deep. These as really deep.

40:08 Speaker 2: And I do think that Mary is very concerned for Meredith from a genuine place. I do not think she is being a good friend because I don't think she can know the difference or can be right now because of how she feels about our son. However, I also think that the ladies have perpetuated this type of narrative for too long that Mary is now like on.

40:29 Speaker 3: The board of thinking that that is really the truth, that if she is.

40:32 Speaker 2: On drugs and alcohol and overwhelmed and all this stuff, we gotta save her and do something, because like to let Mary speak the entire time pretty much and give out all the reasons like why it was out of frustration I heard in her voice being like, why are.

40:46 Speaker 3: Y'all not saying it? We were just saying it.

40:48 Speaker 2: I thought y'all cared, we care, right, we're concerned about her. No, Mary, maybe you are, but these ladies are not necessarily concerned about her. They want her to bring what was unfilmed on the plane to the screen so they can be and and so on and so forth.

41:08 Speaker 4: You yeah, you just made me think about something. And because you had said, you know, Bromwin wanted to wait to reveal the seth thing, And Mary is like super frustrated, like why aren't we saying it? Why aren't we saying it? Yes, I think it gives premeditated like it like, you know, the whole It just it felt like this big plan. You know, like Mary is frustrated because they won't say it, But it kind of feels like she's frustrated because they won't say it because they had like almost agreed to bring it up Meredith, and then nobody else would do it, like when Bronwyn didn't.

41:38 Speaker 4: Bronwyn didn't honestly do the tash. She was probably assigned, which was tell Meredith the seth story that you saw, Yeah, I have no problem, right, but I think yeah, so I think that, Yeah, Mary's frustrated that they didn't say it, and I think that it It kind of feels like they had sort of from the beginning of the trip planned to bring this up at the very end after this big show, and it was gonna be this big intervention and Meredith is going to be read by the Salt sister's laughs because it's all about her, and it just it felt too calculated and to like, let's have this final big moment, and it just didn't.

42:11 Speaker 4: It didn't deliver whatever they wanted it to be didn't deliver. And when it was going in that other direction that more emotional direction about sort of the group. Yeah, they didn't let it go.

42:20 Speaker 1: They didn't let it go.

42:21 Speaker 3: There, No, And I think that was their biggest fuck up.

42:23 Speaker 2: And that's how you know, because Lisa definitely was like, oh well, we're all talking and admitting and opening up and stuff. You know, she wasn't in on whatever the plane was, which is also why she got up and moved over to Meredith and was like, oh no, this is fucked up, Like this is crazy, Like no one told me we were gonna do this or whatever, like this is very different than just what happened on the plane, and you need to take accountability and apologize. You're trying to destroy this woman's life because the things are not related.

42:51 Speaker 2: Is she a pill popping alcoholic or is her husband cheating on her? Or is she rooted an abusive verbally to Brittany and picking on Brittany all the time, in which case, if those other things are true, where her husband is cheating on her and she's abusing pills and alcohol because she's miserable one has a hard life, it sounds like she might be a little rude. So it's just like it can't be both. You're saying, you're acting to a ratic and so but so you're so a ragged that everything must be uh, you must be on drugs and alcohol.

43:21 Speaker 3: But also your husband is likely cheating on you.

43:23 Speaker 2: You know, we know that, and so like, yeah, I'd probably be yelling at you want a plane too, Because.

43:28 Speaker 1: It's also like what do you want? What do you want her to admit? What do you like?

43:31 Speaker 4: What do you do you want? Do you want her to be like, okay, check injuryhab like I have it? Like or do you want to be like, oh, yeah, my husband's having eight affairs?

43:38 Speaker 3: Which way do you want?

43:39 Speaker 4: What they do?

43:40 Speaker 3: They want a bad marriage or you have to admit to being good driver you're out?

43:44 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like that.

43:44 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's yeah, it was if you think about it that way, it's actually crazy like they wanted her to.

43:51 Speaker 2: I just told you at the end in a confessional where I was like where Bron was like, oh you done gone dark, Like she got in with the Good Girls to do this and now she feels like she's in it and she went full mean girl. She would she would she turned into Katie Herron. Right at the end of the Mean Girls movie, she was in the bad space where she's in her confessional and that long hair mm hm them utah waives. She's like, either sit down and have this conversation with us, or get the fuck out. I'm like, you're basically you're saying, either sit down and take it and admit that you're going through this and acting erratically and you're us and cheating, or we're not gonna talk to you and you can't be here.

44:29 Speaker 3: That is crazy.

44:30 Speaker 2: Hey, gonna bully me into trusting you with my deep dark secret to my family shit when you clearly don't care. It is only about getting the moment on the TV show. And it's like, if you're not here to help us, to sacrifice yourself for the finale of this season, because we've already decided it's gonna be you. We took a phote get out and so she's like, I'm gonna get out, but they won't.

44:50 Speaker 4: Let her go and they're like lea, my fucking uber okay.

44:57 Speaker 1: And her for not just like I don't.

44:59 Speaker 3: I just didn't understand that she was proud of Meredith because she disengaged. She left. That bitch came back and she said, so what is the goal?

45:05 Speaker 4: And that's the thing that she disengages, then they try to drag her back. You know, it's like they tried two times to drag her back to that well.

45:14 Speaker 3: The first they were out there, she was like, okay, yeah, I'm here. What do you want to say? Since everyone's saying that they can't tell me? What's the goal?

45:21 Speaker 1: Right when she walked out, she was like, I have one question. What is the What is the goal?

45:29 Speaker 3: Are concerned? That's not a goal?

45:30 Speaker 2: Is the goal that you're concerned and get her into rehab? Or is the goal to tell people that her husband was having dinner in New York with somebody and you know nothing and.

45:41 Speaker 3: Having an affairs. Gas like me, yeah, I can't.

45:48 Speaker 2: It's so funny because Meredith Brown was so upset that Meredith Gas looked the hell out of her like, I didn't say that, but then to say that I am not to say who Seth did or did not have dinner with, that's alluding to it. No, I did not allude. I just said we saw that the New York. I didn't not say anything else. I said I don't know who Seth was having dinner with.

46:09 Speaker 4: So Merredith's gonna watch Marredi's gonna see the lunch, she in't baby, you know, just lisaan to own it.

46:17 Speaker 3: No, no, for real, you may as well.

46:19 Speaker 2: And Mary was frustrated, like I thought we were owning it. Don't we all feel this way? No, Mary, they're gonna let anybody else. It was just their silence was so loud to me, So it just felt like Bronwin came with an agenda and Mary was like, how am I the only one?

46:33 Speaker 3: But not?

46:33 Speaker 4: But then weren't you? But then weren't you? Confused by Mary at the end, like three times she was like, you've been a good friend to her, You've been loyal to her, blah blah blah. I was like, I was a little bit confused by that. She did get a veiled shot in where she was like, you're loyal, You've been loyal to Todd.

46:48 Speaker 3: That was good, that was good, that was amazing.

46:50 Speaker 4: But I was confused why she was backing up Bronwin so much like on the side, I was kind of confused.

46:55 Speaker 2: I feel like I thought it was because they took more to your point that there was some kind of conversation about how this was going to go down, and I think she was like telling her, this doesn't look bad for you.

47:07 Speaker 3: This looks like you were a consumer and who did the right sick.

47:10 Speaker 2: Okay, you did do the right thing by waiting and saying it on camera here in front of everyone, instead of on camera with just us behind her back, which is like kind of not the point, But I mean, I don't know. I still thought that it was because Meredith and Lisa ended it with such an abrupt division. I usually hate divisions and housewidse franchises. It doesn't work on Jersey, doesn't work on any of the shows. It really is upsetting. But this I thought was just very interesting because to me, wherever you fall, there's a clear you feel, there's a clear white and wrong on how this particular scene was handled and what happened here.

47:51 Speaker 2: So I ask you to Clones Gibson, where do you fall on the line of the sad?

47:57 Speaker 3: Are you like?

47:57 Speaker 2: Oh? No, Meredith and Lisa like this was actually as bad as it looks. I cannot believe that this is how y'all decided to spend my finale moments or on the inther side of them, of like, you need to come and have a conversation with this, especially if you're so concerned that it's going to come out. It's going to come out, then let's talk about it, and let's talk about it now before we get to the reunion.

48:18 Speaker 3: Where do you fall?

48:19 Speaker 4: I fall on the line of let me get that uber out of there. Okay, yeah, I meant not uber. I meant that uber.

48:27 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, I'm getting the uber.

48:31 Speaker 4: At the end of the day, just felt like a fool's errand whatever they were trying to do was never going to work. And I think it just I think Meredith was set up to fail essentially and unless she admitted to something huge, and she was never going to do that. So yeah, I think that I'm I'm in the uber with Meredith and Lisa after that moment for.

48:50 Speaker 3: Sure, all right me are you? Are you? I was at the mood. I was at the uber before we okay.

48:59 Speaker 4: Okay, maybe for during the during the bathroom break, yeah, I.

49:03 Speaker 2: Was waiting on that seven minute occurred when when Meredith left the first go round, I was gone.

49:07 Speaker 3: I was like, oh, because I.

49:09 Speaker 1: Feel you're like, I'll meet you outside, yeah, outside.

49:12 Speaker 2: Because it felt like a set up pretty early on when they wouldn't let it go, and I'm just like, I don't know why y'all hadn't set her up, because you know, first of all, these ladies are shallow.

49:21 Speaker 3: They will come up.

49:22 Speaker 2: Y'all are not good friends. You will say something to Misspeaks. Just let it flow, talk about the play, how the girlies did. Let us get a couple of jokes out and then see what happens, or let us settle in peace.

49:36 Speaker 3: If we're on the trip, settle the play. Let it be like, damn, that was wild. They roast to all of us have a little gig vulnerability.

49:44 Speaker 1: And then yeah, and then have a group hug at the end.

49:47 Speaker 3: Yeah, and then and then crazy.

49:49 Speaker 4: Then at the reunion you bring up what was on a dress?

49:52 Speaker 3: We produced it. Heather is fired. We can do it better.

49:58 Speaker 2: Don't focus on being a house wife. Honestly, Oh my Goshi, thank you so much.

50:05 Speaker 4: So fun with me?

50:07 Speaker 2: Where can people get more of you? Listen to that fabulous podcast.

50:10 Speaker 4: Of yours, Yes, Gabbing with Gibb Tuesdays and Fridays, sometimes the third one if I whatever, Sometimes I don't know, Gabby with you wherever you listen to this great show, same kind of discussions that we had today, sometimes interviews. Yeah, I really appreciate you having me. I'll have to have you on. I haven't had you on Gabbing with you. We need to and we because I have it this because we didn't talk about Potomac, We'll do We'll do Potomac and something else. I like because there's so many shows on right now.

50:39 Speaker 4: I like to pair them everything. Okay, all right, we'll do that in the next come by the end of January.

50:45 Speaker 1: We're doing that to you.

50:47 Speaker 3: So y'all go, this is so fun. Thank you so much, y'all.

50:49 Speaker 2: Don't listen to Gibbs, say listen to his show, Gabbing with GiB I love it. You will fun so many of our faves on that show. You know, you got your Ka, you got your you got everybody I've really do. Love Gibb and follow him on threads if you're not already, because the girl's in your replies. Have me dagging like I like reading your replies because when they gab with GiB it's hilarious and they got good tea. Have you post so many things he gets so many good conversations started.

51:17 Speaker 1: What was it yesterday?

51:18 Speaker 4: Yes, yesterday it was I posted that Gina from OC was engaged and Sonya Morgan replied, she was like, I love love Who's that?

51:28 Speaker 2: And then Crystal come mean Golf replied to you, she's a friend to the show. But it was so funny that in this big Hollywood mommy gate that's happening, Crystal's like, well, I was the first girl to set the trend of cutting off fourteen of your toxic best friends.

51:43 Speaker 3: And it was like, okay, girl, now listen, y'all.

51:47 Speaker 2: Go have a good time with a GiB over there on Threads and listen to the podcast Gabin with GiB, And thank y'all so much for listening to me and for you know, being here another year. We got a lot of things coming. I'm like scheduled out for a little bit, y'all, So y'all can actually count on consistency this time. We're gonna start the year off really strong and positively. I did not join a gym on the first like everybody else. I waited till the week was over.

52:11 Speaker 3: But now I'm so tired. We'll see if I even make it.

52:14 Speaker 2: Honestly, it really just gives get through the traffic, come home, have a little puff, have a little food, go to bed, watch my shows, and go to bed. Please don't expect much, but I love being here and you happen with y'all, So thank you so much for listening. Follow me on threads in Instagram as well at Mixing with MANI and my x I N G w I, T H M A n I, And of course wherever you're listening to this, you can subscribe and follow to the show, give a little rating or review. We did not make our goal, but we'll just try again this year.

52:50 Speaker 2: I go to get to eight hundred by the end of the year. So if you can help make that happen and you love this, shout out your favorite guests so far in the comments on Spotify or on podcast or on Apple podcasts, leave your review and be like, oh my god, love money so much or hate money so much, but I love that damn Gibson. He's so good, so good with that you I mean, so take care of yourselves. Mike for joined up people, Thank you so much for listening.

53:17 Speaker 3: Love you, Bane